chassis-no. starting SABTVR03430....
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somebody offered me a kitcar with date of 1st reg 1978 and a 17digit vin-no. starting SABTVR03430.....
as the 10th digit should show the model year it could be ´73, ´83, ´93 or ´03
v5 says under make the brand of the kit-manufacturer. so everything ok until now. kit was built mid-90´s..so 1st confusion.
when i type in the SABTVR at google i find plenty of pages where the summary at the end is: SABTVR is a DVLA given vin for re-shelled cars.
now my questions: is this good or not? is it normal to get such a vin? or is there something wrong?
as the 10th digit should show the model year it could be ´73, ´83, ´93 or ´03
v5 says under make the brand of the kit-manufacturer. so everything ok until now. kit was built mid-90´s..so 1st confusion.
when i type in the SABTVR at google i find plenty of pages where the summary at the end is: SABTVR is a DVLA given vin for re-shelled cars.
now my questions: is this good or not? is it normal to get such a vin? or is there something wrong?
now found something...had to type in the make myself and not choose the one from the drop down menue....
Date of Liability 01 10 2008
Date of First Registration 01 03 1978
Year of Manufacture 1978
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1998CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Licence Due to Expire
Vehicle Colour GREEN
Vehicle Type Approval null
Date of Liability 01 10 2008
Date of First Registration 01 03 1978
Year of Manufacture 1978
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1998CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Licence Due to Expire
Vehicle Colour GREEN
Vehicle Type Approval null
Edited by Comadis on Monday 22 September 20:58
sure its legal and everything ok...but as the car will be rgegistrated outside UK (also not in my country, but inside the EU) any info will helpful:
if such a chassis no.is given when a car has been re-shelled or the body changed than our instituations believe that its running still on the "old" 1978 chassis but with a differnt body than original (the body manufacturer in that case is "the kit suplier" and named in the V5)...and they will give you the historic registration.
if such a chassis-no. says that also the chassis may have been changed, than it gets critical.
if the local instituations can "read" something in the chassis-no. which shows them that the car was built as a kit in, lets say 1995, they will not registrate it as a 1978 car.
so my question was: are there hidden infos in such a number combination and what does it exactly say?
is there a link to a dvla page existing which explains in detail the procedure of these no.´s?
if such a chassis no.is given when a car has been re-shelled or the body changed than our instituations believe that its running still on the "old" 1978 chassis but with a differnt body than original (the body manufacturer in that case is "the kit suplier" and named in the V5)...and they will give you the historic registration.
if such a chassis-no. says that also the chassis may have been changed, than it gets critical.
if the local instituations can "read" something in the chassis-no. which shows them that the car was built as a kit in, lets say 1995, they will not registrate it as a 1978 car.
so my question was: are there hidden infos in such a number combination and what does it exactly say?
is there a link to a dvla page existing which explains in detail the procedure of these no.´s?
Edited by Comadis on Tuesday 23 September 14:43
Edited by Comadis on Wednesday 24th September 14:10
according to my wikipedia the "3" could mean 1973, ´83, 93 or 2003.....as the car was built in the 90´s it should be ´93...and here we go....some european countries wont registrate this car at all (the country i mean is france) as long as you do not have a prove (e.g. invoice from a garage) which tells that the car was originally built 1978 and a replacement body has been fitted in 1993. as the governmental institutions know that this car is a kitcar, therefore was built 1993 using some donor parts but wehter the orignal chassis nor any body-panels, they will even doubt such an invoice.
by the way: i phoned with the kit-manufacturer ( a well known, famous brand in UK)...and they wanted to make me believe that the SABTVR is a "ford" chassis no. and that the dvla never issued any chassis no.´s
i only could laugh about such a stupid bla.bla.bla
they asked me to sent an email with pictures and data´s of the car: i did but guess what was the result: no reply!!
"oh we apologize...your email must have ended in the spam folder"
interesting...so even my last emails, abotu parts, which i sent directly via their web-page enquiry-form some months ago must have ended there...i guess all emails end there.
i only could laugh about such a stupid bla.bla.bla
they asked me to sent an email with pictures and data´s of the car: i did but guess what was the result: no reply!!
"oh we apologize...your email must have ended in the spam folder"
interesting...so even my last emails, abotu parts, which i sent directly via their web-page enquiry-form some months ago must have ended there...i guess all emails end there.
after 1981 its a "must" to use the standardised VIN...even the DVLA has to follow that rules.
that means the 10th digit will tell the model year..not the 11th...
anyway, i checked my 11th digit: its an 0
as "O" or "0" arent (to avoid am mix-up) assigned to a year its another prove that the 10th digit tells the year.
at the end i believe my car was built 2003 (according to the 3) and the actual owner told me a wrong year (1996), as he bought the car already 2nd hand, not directly from the builder.
for me it would be perfect...as the car would be "only" 5 years old.
that means the 10th digit will tell the model year..not the 11th...
anyway, i checked my 11th digit: its an 0
as "O" or "0" arent (to avoid am mix-up) assigned to a year its another prove that the 10th digit tells the year.
at the end i believe my car was built 2003 (according to the 3) and the actual owner told me a wrong year (1996), as he bought the car already 2nd hand, not directly from the builder.
for me it would be perfect...as the car would be "only" 5 years old.
again: since 1981 the VIN is standardised, all around europe (and i think even all around the world)..and as registration-instituations in other european countries do not registrate certain kitcars, due to the info they "found" in the VIN, so the 17th digit VIN must "contain" some hidden information.
if you ask e.g. the french registration offices if they can explain you what they found they wont explain you...as its their "secret".
german instituations dont care as they go only for the date of 1st reg.
if you ask e.g. the french registration offices if they can explain you what they found they wont explain you...as its their "secret".
german instituations dont care as they go only for the date of 1st reg.
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