Motorbike hits stationary car
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Hi guys
I’m very confused at the outcome of this.
I drive a 1.2L Mini Cooper and had emerged from the traffic lights to slowly moving traffic the lane on my left was a bus lane and a bus stop. As I checked the road to pull into the road to the left I moved my car slightly into the next lane and stopped as the road in front of me had a cycle lane, pedestrians and a white van coming out of the right lane. A motorbike (which I am told by witnesses came at speed) hit my car, I don’t think he could see me and there are cars behind me holding back until it’s safe to completely move into the road. He came off his bike at about 1 metre from my car and as I checked him over the pedestrians became angry and started shouting that he was driving dangerously. I calmed them down and stated it doesn’t matter as I wanted to check that he was ok which he was. The ambulance came and checked him over and said he was fine, his bike was pretty much unscathed and he had a loose front right light, however he has damaged my car very badly. He is now not admitting liability. I have sent pictures to the insurance company and requested that they look at CCTV footage however the witnesses I took numbers for are only saying how he was speeding at tried to brake but failed due to his speed and are unsure whether they saw my car in stationary. I’m beyond shocked and in disbelief that this gentleman is not admitting liability, it was rush hour with crawling traffic and the damage to my car clearly shows it’s the impact of the bike on my car and not on his bike. I think he’s trying to say that I was turning and hit him. Hopefully I can upload images of my car Position in the Road following the accident as it gives an indication to the road. But what I want to know is will he get away with this?
I’m very confused at the outcome of this.
I drive a 1.2L Mini Cooper and had emerged from the traffic lights to slowly moving traffic the lane on my left was a bus lane and a bus stop. As I checked the road to pull into the road to the left I moved my car slightly into the next lane and stopped as the road in front of me had a cycle lane, pedestrians and a white van coming out of the right lane. A motorbike (which I am told by witnesses came at speed) hit my car, I don’t think he could see me and there are cars behind me holding back until it’s safe to completely move into the road. He came off his bike at about 1 metre from my car and as I checked him over the pedestrians became angry and started shouting that he was driving dangerously. I calmed them down and stated it doesn’t matter as I wanted to check that he was ok which he was. The ambulance came and checked him over and said he was fine, his bike was pretty much unscathed and he had a loose front right light, however he has damaged my car very badly. He is now not admitting liability. I have sent pictures to the insurance company and requested that they look at CCTV footage however the witnesses I took numbers for are only saying how he was speeding at tried to brake but failed due to his speed and are unsure whether they saw my car in stationary. I’m beyond shocked and in disbelief that this gentleman is not admitting liability, it was rush hour with crawling traffic and the damage to my car clearly shows it’s the impact of the bike on my car and not on his bike. I think he’s trying to say that I was turning and hit him. Hopefully I can upload images of my car Position in the Road following the accident as it gives an indication to the road. But what I want to know is will he get away with this?
Jheanelle said:
Hi guys
I’m very confused at the outcome of this.
I drive a 1.2L Mini Cooper and had emerged from the traffic lights to slowly moving traffic the lane on my left was a bus lane and a bus stop. As I checked the road to pull into the road to the left I moved my car slightly into the next lane and stopped as the road in front of me had a cycle lane, pedestrians and a white van coming out of the right lane. A motorbike (which I am told by witnesses came at speed) hit my car, I don’t think he could see me and there are cars behind me holding back until it’s safe to completely move into the road. He came off his bike at about 1 metre from my car and as I checked him over the pedestrians became angry and started shouting that he was driving dangerously. I calmed them down and stated it doesn’t matter as I wanted to check that he was ok which he was. The ambulance came and checked him over and said he was fine, his bike was pretty much unscathed and he had a loose front right light, however he has damaged my car very badly. He is now not admitting liability. I have sent pictures to the insurance company and requested that they look at CCTV footage however the witnesses I took numbers for are only saying how he was speeding at tried to brake but failed due to his speed and are unsure whether they saw my car in stationary. I’m beyond shocked and in disbelief that this gentleman is not admitting liability, it was rush hour with crawling traffic and the damage to my car clearly shows it’s the impact of the bike on my car and not on his bike. I think he’s trying to say that I was turning and hit him. Hopefully I can upload images of my car Position in the Road following the accident as it gives an indication to the road. But what I want to know is will he get away with this?
I’m very confused at the outcome of this.
I drive a 1.2L Mini Cooper and had emerged from the traffic lights to slowly moving traffic the lane on my left was a bus lane and a bus stop. As I checked the road to pull into the road to the left I moved my car slightly into the next lane and stopped as the road in front of me had a cycle lane, pedestrians and a white van coming out of the right lane. A motorbike (which I am told by witnesses came at speed) hit my car, I don’t think he could see me and there are cars behind me holding back until it’s safe to completely move into the road. He came off his bike at about 1 metre from my car and as I checked him over the pedestrians became angry and started shouting that he was driving dangerously. I calmed them down and stated it doesn’t matter as I wanted to check that he was ok which he was. The ambulance came and checked him over and said he was fine, his bike was pretty much unscathed and he had a loose front right light, however he has damaged my car very badly. He is now not admitting liability. I have sent pictures to the insurance company and requested that they look at CCTV footage however the witnesses I took numbers for are only saying how he was speeding at tried to brake but failed due to his speed and are unsure whether they saw my car in stationary. I’m beyond shocked and in disbelief that this gentleman is not admitting liability, it was rush hour with crawling traffic and the damage to my car clearly shows it’s the impact of the bike on my car and not on his bike. I think he’s trying to say that I was turning and hit him. Hopefully I can upload images of my car Position in the Road following the accident as it gives an indication to the road. But what I want to know is will he get away with this?
Hi all it may be better to upload another image I haven’t pulled into a bus lane. Where the vehicle is behind me is where my vehicle was when indicating into the left lane (not a bus lane at this point) I was in stationary as there were pedestrians crossing and he rode into my car. Will put more images up but you will need to click on the image to see full view of the road. I appreciate all comments. It has been confirmed that there is cctv (thank god) to show I was in position with indicators before he drove in that lane 
The Selfish Gene said:
did he or his motorbike not hit the pedestrians that were crossing in front of your car?
Hi I’ve included an image of the road so you can can get a better ideaThe witnesses have said he was speeding and tried to brake when he saw my vehicle hence going into the side of my car
Hi all my left lane was clear after the bus lane stopped so I moved to the lane as it was safe to do so. However could not turn into the road ahead as pedestrians were crossing. I would say it was about 5 seconds stationary before he hit my car and he wasn’t at the traffic lights with me (4 car spaces Back) I was ahead of the traffic lights (first car)
The Selfish Gene said:
witnesses generally have no clue about speeding - so that may or may not be true. People accuse motorbikes of speeding all the time, because they are motorbikes and sound different!
still think you'll get a 50/50
How was the motorcyclist? Was he hurt and you're worried you're in trouble? I'm confused myself!
First and foremost I am a NURSE! I have a duty of care still think you'll get a 50/50
How was the motorcyclist? Was he hurt and you're worried you're in trouble? I'm confused myself!
All of that went out the back window as my main priority was that both parties were ok?! Which they were. He was checked over by an ambulance and sent home and he rode off on his bike. The road on the left has a chicane separating from the traffic light which would suggest he was at some point in the lane I was in and turned into the left whilst my vehicle was already stationary. He admitted he was riding more than 30mph on a 20mph Road and the distance from the chicane of the bus lane to where the lane is for normal travel is no longer than 3 car spaces or the length of a bus
[quote=The Selfish Gene]if of course you were not stationary, changed lanes without looking - then it's more % your fault, depending on if he was breaking the speed limit but insurance will probably still do a 50/50[/quote
I was stationary
Lane change occurred way before he hit me and I stopped as there were pedestrians
I was stationary
Lane change occurred way before he hit me and I stopped as there were pedestrians
SHutchinson said:
It looks like you've pulled into the left lane at the exact point the no-car lane ends. I bet you'd have noticed a big red bus in your mirrors.
I was in this lane and stationary for about 5 seconds actually, it’s rush hour and I know these roads very well as I work in the borough as a health visitor. There were no vehicles behind me in that lane however I am assuming that everyone on this forum appears to be under the impression that I would carelessly move into a lane without looking in my mirrors or blind spot so I may have to rely on cctv for this one. I’m very concerned with the accusations that I would not check an injured person, carelessly move into a lane in rush hour creeping traffic, or knock a man off his bike. vonhosen said:
What are you hoping to achieve here?
Tell your insurance company in as much detail as possible (give them any witness details you have) & let them deal with it.
The biker will do the same.
Their insurers will have told them what your insurers tell you...........don't admit liability.
Thank you for not being judgemental regarding my character I do appreciate that Tell your insurance company in as much detail as possible (give them any witness details you have) & let them deal with it.
The biker will do the same.
Their insurers will have told them what your insurers tell you...........don't admit liability.
I know I’m not even sure why I did post on here, however the insurers are looking at CCTV footage and speaking to witnesses so I will leave it there. I’ve never been hit whilst stationary with a motorcycle so I guess I was trying to see if anyone had been through a similar experience.
liner33 said:
Yeah he will say you turned into him, your photos would back up his statement imo and your road positioning is unusual
Not that it matters but there is no way he was speeding if he was unhurt and able to ride his bike away from the scene, that doesn't mean he was riding at an appropriate speed
Hi I hope you are wellNot that it matters but there is no way he was speeding if he was unhurt and able to ride his bike away from the scene, that doesn't mean he was riding at an appropriate speed
I will have to rely on CCTV for this. It’s a 20mph Road in rush hour with steady flow of traffic, he has admitted being over the speed limit as well as witnesses telling my insurance he was dangerously driving. I am very grateful again that no one was hurt. There is no damage but a broken light to his motorcycle. And thankfully he is also ok. Insurance have informed me that they will be examining the CCTV over the next few weeks
Greg66 said:
Guesswork time.
You said later, I think, that you pulled left from your lane into the space where you car is shown the photos - the space ahead of the end of the bus lane.
You say above that the rider came off his bike a metre before your car., I assume from that: (a) the rider saw you; (b) at some point the rider braked (c) the rider lost control under braking; (d) the rider and bike went down; (e) the bike went into your car without the rider on it.
I'm also assuming there was nothing else in the bus lane apart from the bike.
Putting all that together, my guess is as follows:
Rider is riding along a largely empty bus lane. You pull away from the lights, past the bus stop and end of bus lane, and move the left ready to make the left turn.
ETA: due to the curve of the road just before the lights, and if you really were stationary for 5 s (surprisingly long, if you try it) it's possible that when you moved across to the left the rider's headlight would have not been visible in your mirror as the rider hadn't come around the curve by then
The lights you've just gone through are green for the rider; he doesn't have to slow down. Once he is through the lights on the straight he sees you across his line, but he assumes you will complete your manoeuvre into the minor road by the time he is at that bit of road.
You sit where you are for a few seconds because peds are crossing the mouth of the minor road.
The rider realises - too late - that you're not moving out of his way and you're sitting there going nowhere. He brakes, hard, but now the speed he has been able to carry through the green light counts against him because he has too much speed.
The rider realises that under heavy braking he will only make things worse if he swerves to the left to use the blue painted bike lane or maybe doesn't have time to consider that option. Either way, he maintains his line towards your front wing.
At the very last minute the rider jumps off so as not to crunch his right leg between his bike and your car.
50/50. He's going too fast and you start a manoeuvre without having the space to finish it.
Thankyou GregYou said later, I think, that you pulled left from your lane into the space where you car is shown the photos - the space ahead of the end of the bus lane.
You say above that the rider came off his bike a metre before your car., I assume from that: (a) the rider saw you; (b) at some point the rider braked (c) the rider lost control under braking; (d) the rider and bike went down; (e) the bike went into your car without the rider on it.
I'm also assuming there was nothing else in the bus lane apart from the bike.
Putting all that together, my guess is as follows:
Rider is riding along a largely empty bus lane. You pull away from the lights, past the bus stop and end of bus lane, and move the left ready to make the left turn.
ETA: due to the curve of the road just before the lights, and if you really were stationary for 5 s (surprisingly long, if you try it) it's possible that when you moved across to the left the rider's headlight would have not been visible in your mirror as the rider hadn't come around the curve by then
The lights you've just gone through are green for the rider; he doesn't have to slow down. Once he is through the lights on the straight he sees you across his line, but he assumes you will complete your manoeuvre into the minor road by the time he is at that bit of road.
You sit where you are for a few seconds because peds are crossing the mouth of the minor road.
The rider realises - too late - that you're not moving out of his way and you're sitting there going nowhere. He brakes, hard, but now the speed he has been able to carry through the green light counts against him because he has too much speed.
The rider realises that under heavy braking he will only make things worse if he swerves to the left to use the blue painted bike lane or maybe doesn't have time to consider that option. Either way, he maintains his line towards your front wing.
At the very last minute the rider jumps off so as not to crunch his right leg between his bike and your car.
50/50. He's going too fast and you start a manoeuvre without having the space to finish it.
Edited by Greg66 on Friday 9th February 14:34
I appreciate the feedback.
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