1992 309 Goodwood impulse buy
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So there I was, innocently checking out the values of 205 and 309 GTis, and I stumbled across an advert for a cheap 309 Goodwood - a car I had lusted after greatly during my late teens/early 20s. I couldn't resist a cheeky email to the owner to get some more info, and here I am a week later with it sat in my garage. Oooops
For those that don't know the Goodwood is a special edition 309 GTi with leather seats, painted alloys, wooden steering wheel/gearknob and it only came in green. I'd had a 309 GL and a 309 SRi in the past, along with a couple of 205 XSs and Dturbos, but always wanted a GTi and the Goodwood, IMHO, was the Daddy of the GTis.
So here we are, in all honesty it needs a lot of TLC, but it made it the 100 miles home without any issues so I'm a happy boy. So here's a couple of pics taken on my phone earlier:
The to do list is quite long, but in order to get it vaguely useable I need to fix the blowing exhaust, replace the front wishbone bushes to get rid of the involuntary lane changes on the motorway and sort out an intermittant starting problem (suspecting a dodgy starter motor). After that I'd like to find all the proper Goodwood bits (wheels and steering wheel) plus fix the long list of minor jobs, and possibly do a top end rebuild. Should be fun!
For those that don't know the Goodwood is a special edition 309 GTi with leather seats, painted alloys, wooden steering wheel/gearknob and it only came in green. I'd had a 309 GL and a 309 SRi in the past, along with a couple of 205 XSs and Dturbos, but always wanted a GTi and the Goodwood, IMHO, was the Daddy of the GTis.
So here we are, in all honesty it needs a lot of TLC, but it made it the 100 miles home without any issues so I'm a happy boy. So here's a couple of pics taken on my phone earlier:
The to do list is quite long, but in order to get it vaguely useable I need to fix the blowing exhaust, replace the front wishbone bushes to get rid of the involuntary lane changes on the motorway and sort out an intermittant starting problem (suspecting a dodgy starter motor). After that I'd like to find all the proper Goodwood bits (wheels and steering wheel) plus fix the long list of minor jobs, and possibly do a top end rebuild. Should be fun!
The Nur said:
That is f
king awesome.
What sort of ballpark figure did you get it for?
£750 with tax and MOT till December and a bootful of spares. A good deal in my eyes, but it was that cheap because of the intermittant starting problem (when warm it sometimes refuses to start) and some other issues, so the guy just wanted shot of it.king awesome.What sort of ballpark figure did you get it for?
bmwdrivernigel said:
If that's the going rate I'll stick with the standard GTi items (which I actually prefer!). The Goodwood wheels are much more important!
shalmaneser said:
The first thing to check for the starting is the brown multiplug near the battery - this gets corroded and increases to resistance to the starter motor causing the classic 'click but no start' problem.
Failing that and the starter motor really is knackered, the 306 (sometimes called 'slimline' cos they're smaller and lighter) starter motor is a much more reliable part and bolts right on in place of the older unit.
Thanks for that. I haven't had it happen to me yet, so don't know the exact details of what I happens - but the previous owner said it would start fine after 20mins or so. Will check out the multiplug first, and I've seen the slim-line ones advertised so that's probably the route I'll go down if need be.Failing that and the starter motor really is knackered, the 306 (sometimes called 'slimline' cos they're smaller and lighter) starter motor is a much more reliable part and bolts right on in place of the older unit.
mattman said:
Weren't the good wood alloys the same style but painted gunmetal grey?
Yep, gunmetal grey with a silver lip.S10GTA said:
You will have to bring it to Southways when my French tat gets there.
Sounds good. Don't leave me alone too long with your engine though... 
The paintwork is ok, but by no means perfect. A good clean, polish and some paint touch ups should see it looking better though.
After a bit of checking the wooden gearknob on there isn't the standard one. Even the standard GTi items seem to go for silly money though, so need to keep an eye open for a bargain!!
After a bit of checking the wooden gearknob on there isn't the standard one. Even the standard GTi items seem to go for silly money though, so need to keep an eye open for a bargain!!
There's a bit of rust on the inner an outer sills - I need to investigate thoroughly but it doesn't look too bad. Also a little bit round the rear lights.
The standard grille was one of the spares included in the sale, so that will be going on as soon as the rain stops (maybe 2013 then!).
Actually, thinking about it I had a 1.6 SR too, but it was never roadworthy and was used as a spares car for for my GL, SRi and later 205s of both mine and my friends! Learnt a lot from stripping that one down!
Loving 'MRV' a lot. I don't think mine will ever look that good though
The standard grille was one of the spares included in the sale, so that will be going on as soon as the rain stops (maybe 2013 then!).
Actually, thinking about it I had a 1.6 SR too, but it was never roadworthy and was used as a spares car for for my GL, SRi and later 205s of both mine and my friends! Learnt a lot from stripping that one down!
Loving 'MRV' a lot. I don't think mine will ever look that good though
First job done:
Much better!
A proper nose round the engine bay revealed quite a few odd jobs need doing where corners have been cut in the past, which to be fair the previous owner warned me about. Should keep me occupied!
I was also checking the exhaust to work out where it was blowing and realised it doesn't have a cat. I thought 309s at this age should have one - has it been binned or am I wrong? Either way, ideally I need a full exhaust to replace the blowing downpipe/centre box and get rid of the nasty Peco back box.
Definitely needs a good wash and polish, but so happy I finally got one of these in my life:
Much better!
A proper nose round the engine bay revealed quite a few odd jobs need doing where corners have been cut in the past, which to be fair the previous owner warned me about. Should keep me occupied!
I was also checking the exhaust to work out where it was blowing and realised it doesn't have a cat. I thought 309s at this age should have one - has it been binned or am I wrong? Either way, ideally I need a full exhaust to replace the blowing downpipe/centre box and get rid of the nasty Peco back box.
Definitely needs a good wash and polish, but so happy I finally got one of these in my life:
hoppo4.2 said:
also very common for poor earthing and bad connections all over. this can also cause the "click" as well as knackered starter.
It also stalls a lot when it's cold so i think i'll just be pulling apart everything, cleaning connections, securing loose bits and testing components. Luckily I've got some old Jetronic manuals from when my Dad worked for Peugeot so they should prove useful!Fortunately i have access to the necessary testing equipment, so I'll test and clean all the electrical components on the induction side at home and will then take it to get the CO settings setup.
I had similar issues with my old SD1 Vitesse so i know is just a case of being methodical and eventually all the issues will be ironed out. In theory
I had similar issues with my old SD1 Vitesse so i know is just a case of being methodical and eventually all the issues will be ironed out. In theory
Haha great pic Rowey!
Had a bit of a play with the car this morning, and started by testing some of the ignition components. AFM, coolant temp sensor and throttle switch were all within tolerances, the only iffy one was the supplementary air device, which ties up with the rough running when cold, so need to look out for a working unit. Also discovered a few more bodges/problems that need fixing, so lots more parts to add to the list. It's gonna take me forever to find them all
Had a bit of a play with the car this morning, and started by testing some of the ignition components. AFM, coolant temp sensor and throttle switch were all within tolerances, the only iffy one was the supplementary air device, which ties up with the rough running when cold, so need to look out for a working unit. Also discovered a few more bodges/problems that need fixing, so lots more parts to add to the list. It's gonna take me forever to find them all
Milesh said:
Have had a couple of these in at work, one with this
And one currently undergoing 8v engine work to bring it upto around 175bhp
Rear beam has supposedly been done but ride height has been set too high so need to get that sorted at some point. Also need to get over to New Milton to get the car on the ramp to have a proper check of the underside to assess the rust issue!
Kitchski said:
Always welcome to bring it here to have a look if it makes logistics easier mate.
Cheers mate, Dad's garage is currently up for sale so may have to take you up on that offer in the future I had every intention of doing some work on the car this afternoon, until the heavens opened. With it still in the garage I managed to get the remote central locking working though - a new receiver and a couple of new style plips from a 405 off Ebay and it's all sorted for the grand sum of £20. Quite amusing that the same stuff listed for a 205 (albeit with only one old style plip) went for £50 this evening!
Hopefully one evening this week I'll strip the front end down as I want to assess some damage and fix a few broken items. I suspect it's had a minor front end knock at some point as some of the metal behind the bumper is a bit bent, but just wanna make sure it's all ok for peace of mind.
Also reading up on V6 conversions
Finally got some time to do some work on the Goodwood yesterday. The radiator cowling had snapped where it bolts to the slam panel, and since this holds the radiator in place in meant the whole lot was wobbling about, so wanted to get this sorted straightaway. Luckily I managed to source the cowling and a couple of other things from a breaker.
So this is what it looked like after taking the bumper off:
Note the great wiring - replacement horns have been badly wired in, spot/fog light wiring is a mess, the fan uses nasty little spade connectors instead of a proper plug and also noticed the starter solenoid wire wasnt looking too clever. Someone's made a proper mess of it!
On top of this the front panel isn't looking too healthy. The near side fell apart after some prodding:
And the off side has been repaired pretty badly in the past:
Need to consider options for sorting this out, but this probably wont happen until next year now.
On the plus side the fan cowling is now replaced so the radiator is mounted solidly and some of the wiring is now tidied up:
Bumper isn't currently fitted as I'm in the process of repairing one of the side mounts so it isn't held in place with a cable tie!
Elsewhere in the engine bay the AFM was poorly mounted with one 10mm bolt, which wasn't taking the weight and had caused the thread to strip off making it all loose, and the plastic pipe connector at the top of it had been crushed (noticing a bodge-tastic theme here??). Didn't really know how it should be mounted be bought a 205 AFM bracket hoping it would be the same and it all bolted on with no problems, so it's now all held securely, and with a new connector too, which is nice. Slightly tidier looking engine bay:
Enjoying working on it though, it's good to have something in the garage that's nice and easy to strip down and play with
So this is what it looked like after taking the bumper off:
Note the great wiring - replacement horns have been badly wired in, spot/fog light wiring is a mess, the fan uses nasty little spade connectors instead of a proper plug and also noticed the starter solenoid wire wasnt looking too clever. Someone's made a proper mess of it!
On top of this the front panel isn't looking too healthy. The near side fell apart after some prodding:
And the off side has been repaired pretty badly in the past:
Need to consider options for sorting this out, but this probably wont happen until next year now.
On the plus side the fan cowling is now replaced so the radiator is mounted solidly and some of the wiring is now tidied up:
Bumper isn't currently fitted as I'm in the process of repairing one of the side mounts so it isn't held in place with a cable tie!
Elsewhere in the engine bay the AFM was poorly mounted with one 10mm bolt, which wasn't taking the weight and had caused the thread to strip off making it all loose, and the plastic pipe connector at the top of it had been crushed (noticing a bodge-tastic theme here??). Didn't really know how it should be mounted be bought a 205 AFM bracket hoping it would be the same and it all bolted on with no problems, so it's now all held securely, and with a new connector too, which is nice. Slightly tidier looking engine bay:
Enjoying working on it though, it's good to have something in the garage that's nice and easy to strip down and play with
Few hours spent out in the garage today to do a 'nice easy job' - take out the seats and other miscellaneous bits of the interior and then swap the current crappy carpet with a new one, fix a few little issues and put it all back together. Unfortunately I was faced with this:
A few little bits rust, nothing serious, until you look at the drivers seat mounting points:
The front left mounting point has been ripped off completely and the rear left one has been partially pulled out - still solid but not confidence inspiring! The two pieces of metal on the floor is the homemade brackets used to hold the seat in. Time to find a welder!
So after pulling some more of the interior out I decide to lob everything back in and go have some dinner:
On the plus side I've fixed the mount on the bumper, found the missing trim and re-fitted the front end so it's now looking like it should:
So in summary, the list of parts/work is growing and it's getting less and less roadworthy every time I touch it. Nice
A few little bits rust, nothing serious, until you look at the drivers seat mounting points:
The front left mounting point has been ripped off completely and the rear left one has been partially pulled out - still solid but not confidence inspiring! The two pieces of metal on the floor is the homemade brackets used to hold the seat in. Time to find a welder!
So after pulling some more of the interior out I decide to lob everything back in and go have some dinner:
On the plus side I've fixed the mount on the bumper, found the missing trim and re-fitted the front end so it's now looking like it should:
So in summary, the list of parts/work is growing and it's getting less and less roadworthy every time I touch it. Nice
Haven't done anything to the 309 over the last few months due to the arrival of my daughter, however this has given me the opportunity to scour the interweb for bargain 309 parts to help me with the restoration, which is quite handy! Just sorting part of my stash out today...
With a few hours still to spare I decided to start cracking on with the 'To do' list. Since the 309 decided it wasn't going to start today the first job was to swap the starter motor. To do this I decided to take the inlet manifold off to give me easy access from top, which also allows me to do some other odd jobs such as cleaning the throttle body / manifold. All was going well - all pipes and wires disconnected and the manifold was off and at that point I realised I'd lent my torx set to a friend last week, which meant I couldn't undo the starter bolts. Doh! So this is how we're looking:
Not the end of the world, I was just hoping to get it all back together today! Whilst it was all apart I swapped over the supplementary air device (SAD) for a spare. I'd originally suspected this was causing idling issues so got the old one out and tested it and the resistance was just about within tolerance, but decided to swap it anyway. However the pipe that connects this to the throttle body had split, so unmetered air was finding it's way into the engine which is more likely to be the cause of my problem. Just need to source a new pipe now! This is the SAD:
As you can see the connector is missing, and it also wasn't mounted properly - more bodgery. I did consider sourcing a new loom due to a few broke connectors, but I think my new plan for the car will negate the need for that...
...so, the current engine needs a bit of work, theres the rough idling on startup, but it also smokes a bit so I suspect the top end needs a refresh. And at 140k miles it's probably past it's best too, so instead of chucking loads of money in to getting it sorted i think the plan for next year will be to go for a GTi6 conversion. This will give me a modern (ish), reliable engine with plenty of power for the 309 that more or less bolts in to the current engine bay. I did also consider a V6, and although this would be awesome, it works out a lot more expensive due to the fabrication needed and I don't think the gain is worth it for me at the moment.
I probably won't take this on myself as lack of time these days means it would take far too long, and in reality it probably never get done, so in the new year I'll start looking for a local garage to do the conversion for me. Pretty exciting!
In the short term I hope to get the 8v engine running well enough to use it without fear of breaking down. Hopefully once I get it all back together it will almost be there!
With a few hours still to spare I decided to start cracking on with the 'To do' list. Since the 309 decided it wasn't going to start today the first job was to swap the starter motor. To do this I decided to take the inlet manifold off to give me easy access from top, which also allows me to do some other odd jobs such as cleaning the throttle body / manifold. All was going well - all pipes and wires disconnected and the manifold was off and at that point I realised I'd lent my torx set to a friend last week, which meant I couldn't undo the starter bolts. Doh! So this is how we're looking:
Not the end of the world, I was just hoping to get it all back together today! Whilst it was all apart I swapped over the supplementary air device (SAD) for a spare. I'd originally suspected this was causing idling issues so got the old one out and tested it and the resistance was just about within tolerance, but decided to swap it anyway. However the pipe that connects this to the throttle body had split, so unmetered air was finding it's way into the engine which is more likely to be the cause of my problem. Just need to source a new pipe now! This is the SAD:
As you can see the connector is missing, and it also wasn't mounted properly - more bodgery. I did consider sourcing a new loom due to a few broke connectors, but I think my new plan for the car will negate the need for that...
...so, the current engine needs a bit of work, theres the rough idling on startup, but it also smokes a bit so I suspect the top end needs a refresh. And at 140k miles it's probably past it's best too, so instead of chucking loads of money in to getting it sorted i think the plan for next year will be to go for a GTi6 conversion. This will give me a modern (ish), reliable engine with plenty of power for the 309 that more or less bolts in to the current engine bay. I did also consider a V6, and although this would be awesome, it works out a lot more expensive due to the fabrication needed and I don't think the gain is worth it for me at the moment.
I probably won't take this on myself as lack of time these days means it would take far too long, and in reality it probably never get done, so in the new year I'll start looking for a local garage to do the conversion for me. Pretty exciting!
In the short term I hope to get the 8v engine running well enough to use it without fear of breaking down. Hopefully once I get it all back together it will almost be there!
Bit of progress made with the 309 today. Finally got the starter motor swapped over. I changed it for a cheap second hand one, however it's from a later model so it's smaller, lighter and supposedly more reliable. The difference is clear when it's put next to the original starter:
Needed a slight modification to the soleniod wiring, but other than that it's a direct replacement.
The other job was to give a inlet manifold a clean. At 20 years old plenty of nasty oily deposits had built up, and this is one of my pet hates, so I wanted to make sure the throttle plate and air galleries were all clean to eliminate this from causing the rough idle. This muck was all over the inside of the throttle body:
But a bit of time with some carb cleaner and its now spick and span!
Also managed to repair the SAD hose so hopefully no more air leaks. So put it all back together with a new inlet manifold gasket and voila....
http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n419/CarlosV8/2...
Didn't let it warm up as I need to top up the coolant and bleed the system, but it's never idled that steadily - it's normally just stalls so you have to keep your foot on the throttle for the first couple of minutes. The SAD also appears to be doing it's job by raising the idle whilst cold which is good. And in the 4 or 5 times I restarted it the new starter is working perfectly. All in all a productive few hours!
Needed a slight modification to the soleniod wiring, but other than that it's a direct replacement.
The other job was to give a inlet manifold a clean. At 20 years old plenty of nasty oily deposits had built up, and this is one of my pet hates, so I wanted to make sure the throttle plate and air galleries were all clean to eliminate this from causing the rough idle. This muck was all over the inside of the throttle body:
But a bit of time with some carb cleaner and its now spick and span!
Also managed to repair the SAD hose so hopefully no more air leaks. So put it all back together with a new inlet manifold gasket and voila....
http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n419/CarlosV8/2...
Didn't let it warm up as I need to top up the coolant and bleed the system, but it's never idled that steadily - it's normally just stalls so you have to keep your foot on the throttle for the first couple of minutes. The SAD also appears to be doing it's job by raising the idle whilst cold which is good. And in the 4 or 5 times I restarted it the new starter is working perfectly. All in all a productive few hours!
Not much going on with work on the car at the moment, but a few months back I wrote to the DVLA to ask for any history they had on the car. For the princely sum of £5 they sent me a wad of paperwork detailing all the previous owners, with copies of the log books and also the original registration document. Quite interesting, but didn't tell me a lot about the car itself, apart from where it's been based over the last 20 years.
However, a quick check of the phone book revealed that the original owner still lived at the same address, so I decided to write him a letter to ask if he had any information on the car. I never expected a reply, but to my surprise I got an email a few days later saying all the history and documentation had gone with the car, however he had an old photograph that he was going to put in the post for me. Yesterday this arrives:
So this is Paul, the original owner, on a Peugeot members trackday round Silverstone when the 309 was just 3 months old. A great little bit of history to go with the car, so thanks Paul if you're reading this!
Certainly helps to give me a bit of inspiration - might have to pin it up in the garage to remind me what I'm aiming for when I'm cursing some more rust or a sheared off bolt
However, a quick check of the phone book revealed that the original owner still lived at the same address, so I decided to write him a letter to ask if he had any information on the car. I never expected a reply, but to my surprise I got an email a few days later saying all the history and documentation had gone with the car, however he had an old photograph that he was going to put in the post for me. Yesterday this arrives:
So this is Paul, the original owner, on a Peugeot members trackday round Silverstone when the 309 was just 3 months old. A great little bit of history to go with the car, so thanks Paul if you're reading this!
Certainly helps to give me a bit of inspiration - might have to pin it up in the garage to remind me what I'm aiming for when I'm cursing some more rust or a sheared off bolt
Edited by CarlosV8 on Monday 21st January 20:29
I forgot to check that multiplug actually, must do that next time I'm in the garage.
The form I used was a V888, which can be found here: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
The form I used was a V888, which can be found here: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
djdestiny said:
Cheers, yeah Ive seen that form before now you mention it.
What reason did you give for needing the info, as I was under the impression that if you said it was just for your own interest they didnt see that as being a decent enough reason to give it out?
Can't remember exactly how I worded it, but basically said I was doing a restoration on the car and the information they provided would provide a valuable insight into the 309's history. Or some such waffle!What reason did you give for needing the info, as I was under the impression that if you said it was just for your own interest they didnt see that as being a decent enough reason to give it out?
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