Spartan Mercedes 190 (w201)
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This thread is about the 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190 that my wife and I bought for Christmas and our work to make it perfect. We love Mercedes-Benz motor cars of this vintage and it seems others do, too. I have included price information because it makes the information more complete and more useful to anyone thinking of doing something similar.
The car is absolutely Sparta spec. It is the bottom of the range and was supplied with very few options. So it has the carburettor engine, not fuel injection; it has keep fit windows, cloth seats, steel wheels, solid paint. In fact, the only extras were a manual sliding sunroof (not tilting), ABS brakes and an automatic transmission. The paint colour is 623 Light Ivory. The upholstery is 064 Medium Brown cloth. Not to everyone's tastes, but very much to mine.
We purchased it from a dealer near Guildford, "sight unseen" as they say. I just paid the asking price, £2,000. The ad is still live here: http://www.ashleynickells.co.uk/advert-8/458533963... Here are some pictures from the ad:
The mileage was approximately 117,500. It is a one owner car and has been serviced by the supplying dealer since new with scant regard to expense so far as I can tell from the service history. We had a local man drive it up for us. That was a further £250 for those who like to keep a tally (i.e. my wife). 12months' tax was £230 and the insurance for the year was £270.
Upon arrival, it was almost as good as the description. The interior in particular is utterly unworn and the service history is very full. The only concerns were that the bodywork has obviously been "taffied for sale" (in the argot of my garagiste). Both front wings are off colour and rust has started to poke through already; and one of the rear wheel arches also is off colour. That and the fact that it intermittently cuts out and refuses to run when hot unless the idle shut off valve is disconnected.
I serviced it myself. Such an easy job. No engine compartment under tray to remove and quite accessible filters. Say £30. Then I fitted new shocks all round together with front shock top dampers. This was something of an extravagance but I have always noted improvement when shocks are replaced and so it was here. The cost for Sachs shocks and Febi shock top mounts was about £175 from the always excellent wanapart.co.uk (website not working at the time of writing). These are an easy DIY change. What else? It needed a new bonnet strut, which set me back about £25 from the main dealer and a fuel cap (£10). New, extra-bright headlamp bulbs were about £15.
Now you will have noticed those bizarre black-centred wheel trims that the vendor had refurbished. Not good. So I replaced them with new ones at a cost of £150 from the main dealer. However, I realised £40-odd selling the old ones on Ebay. I also fitted four Continental TS850 winter tyres. The car came in Pirelli P6000s with plenty of tread remaining but they were about 12 years old. I think we will use the Contis all year round since it is hardly a performance car. I have thought about getting some of the beautiful 15 hole forged aluminium wheels and fitting them with PremiumContact 5s for summer use but that would be another £600 and would not fit with the minimalist ethos of the vehicle.
My study of the service history identified that the track rods were flagged up as an MOT advisory and there was no sign of them having been replaced. I had also noted a little knocking up front. So I ordered new front ARB bushes, track rods, centre link, idler arm bush and steering damper from Wanapart for £136. These were all Lemförder parts apart from the damper which was Sachs. Now the thing about Lemförder is that they make a lot of stuff for Merc and, sure enough, all of these parts were Merc parts with the star burred off. The saving to be had is huge, at least 50%. These have been fitted but I have yet to drive the car or receive a bill for the labour. I also noted that the exhaust back box had a tiny pin hole in it. Happily I was a blue to source a genuine new back box from Euro Merc (hit and miss in my experience) http://cart.euromercmercedesparts.co.uk for £50. Again, this has been fitted but I have not driven the car or paid the bill.
I have also ordered some superb OEM-style ribbed mats in the correct colour from www.autoteppich.com. These people could not have been more helpful and their product is superb. £90.
Still it goes on. This car gets used and, while it is nice that it still has the dealer fit Blaupunkt tape deck, it sounds ropey, doesn't play CDs and iPods and doesn't do handsfree. Also, it was dealer fit, not factory fit. The real deal would be a Becker Europa 2000 or some such but the UK market never went big on Becker. I will remove the Blaupunkt and store it carefully. In its place will go a Becker Indianapolis Pro 7950 that I have just ordered (£350) together with an iPod remote kit (£35). I have one of these in my 124 and it is a good, discreet system with a surprisingly effective sat nav. Obviously it does Bluetooth and iPod. I will mount the microphone up near the dome light without making any holes. I am going to replace the Blaupunkt speakers with a pair of Audison Prima APX 4 100mm co-axials (£63). These will go in the standard mounting holes in the dash without any damage. Between the two I am going to put a little Alpine KTP-445U amplifier (£118). Hopefully it will be possible to conceal this in the dash or, at worst, under the front seat. This looks like an excellent little amplifier, so much so that I have ordered one for my 124 as well.
This is the Becker:
I have been underneath the car and its is mint. No rot at all. Even the brake and fuel pipes are as new. The rear suspension seems pretty good, too. I could overhaul the rear subframe and links but I cannot see any gain to be had from doing so. It would cost about £500 including parts. Likewise the brake components: they are all relatively new genuine MB parts fitted by a main dealer so there simply is no need yet.
And what of the car? It is FANTASTIC. This is one of the best cars I have ever had the pleasure to drive let alone own. The abiding characteristics are quality and lightness. The build quality seems a cut above my 124. I feel this in the doors: they close like a G-Wagen's. And I feel it in the interior assemblies. They really feel they will last forever. As for lightness, well, the car weighs less than 1,200kg and you can tell. It feels so agile and responsive, it is a real surprise. Combined with the compact body, it makes a perfect town car. I wouldn't take it over the 124 for a run to the south of France but for day-to-day purposes it is better. The engine is smooth and quiet although it prefers to be below 80mph. It is nippy from the off and perfectly respectable in acceleration within legal limits. The chassis is beautifully precise, with a really spot-on match of comfort and precision.
Next step is to replace the front wings and have the body painted from the roof down (there is nothing wrong with the roof), together with some heavy duty rust proofing. Watch this space. And more photos to follow...
The car is absolutely Sparta spec. It is the bottom of the range and was supplied with very few options. So it has the carburettor engine, not fuel injection; it has keep fit windows, cloth seats, steel wheels, solid paint. In fact, the only extras were a manual sliding sunroof (not tilting), ABS brakes and an automatic transmission. The paint colour is 623 Light Ivory. The upholstery is 064 Medium Brown cloth. Not to everyone's tastes, but very much to mine.
We purchased it from a dealer near Guildford, "sight unseen" as they say. I just paid the asking price, £2,000. The ad is still live here: http://www.ashleynickells.co.uk/advert-8/458533963... Here are some pictures from the ad:
The mileage was approximately 117,500. It is a one owner car and has been serviced by the supplying dealer since new with scant regard to expense so far as I can tell from the service history. We had a local man drive it up for us. That was a further £250 for those who like to keep a tally (i.e. my wife). 12months' tax was £230 and the insurance for the year was £270.
Upon arrival, it was almost as good as the description. The interior in particular is utterly unworn and the service history is very full. The only concerns were that the bodywork has obviously been "taffied for sale" (in the argot of my garagiste). Both front wings are off colour and rust has started to poke through already; and one of the rear wheel arches also is off colour. That and the fact that it intermittently cuts out and refuses to run when hot unless the idle shut off valve is disconnected.
I serviced it myself. Such an easy job. No engine compartment under tray to remove and quite accessible filters. Say £30. Then I fitted new shocks all round together with front shock top dampers. This was something of an extravagance but I have always noted improvement when shocks are replaced and so it was here. The cost for Sachs shocks and Febi shock top mounts was about £175 from the always excellent wanapart.co.uk (website not working at the time of writing). These are an easy DIY change. What else? It needed a new bonnet strut, which set me back about £25 from the main dealer and a fuel cap (£10). New, extra-bright headlamp bulbs were about £15.
Now you will have noticed those bizarre black-centred wheel trims that the vendor had refurbished. Not good. So I replaced them with new ones at a cost of £150 from the main dealer. However, I realised £40-odd selling the old ones on Ebay. I also fitted four Continental TS850 winter tyres. The car came in Pirelli P6000s with plenty of tread remaining but they were about 12 years old. I think we will use the Contis all year round since it is hardly a performance car. I have thought about getting some of the beautiful 15 hole forged aluminium wheels and fitting them with PremiumContact 5s for summer use but that would be another £600 and would not fit with the minimalist ethos of the vehicle.
My study of the service history identified that the track rods were flagged up as an MOT advisory and there was no sign of them having been replaced. I had also noted a little knocking up front. So I ordered new front ARB bushes, track rods, centre link, idler arm bush and steering damper from Wanapart for £136. These were all Lemförder parts apart from the damper which was Sachs. Now the thing about Lemförder is that they make a lot of stuff for Merc and, sure enough, all of these parts were Merc parts with the star burred off. The saving to be had is huge, at least 50%. These have been fitted but I have yet to drive the car or receive a bill for the labour. I also noted that the exhaust back box had a tiny pin hole in it. Happily I was a blue to source a genuine new back box from Euro Merc (hit and miss in my experience) http://cart.euromercmercedesparts.co.uk for £50. Again, this has been fitted but I have not driven the car or paid the bill.
I have also ordered some superb OEM-style ribbed mats in the correct colour from www.autoteppich.com. These people could not have been more helpful and their product is superb. £90.
Still it goes on. This car gets used and, while it is nice that it still has the dealer fit Blaupunkt tape deck, it sounds ropey, doesn't play CDs and iPods and doesn't do handsfree. Also, it was dealer fit, not factory fit. The real deal would be a Becker Europa 2000 or some such but the UK market never went big on Becker. I will remove the Blaupunkt and store it carefully. In its place will go a Becker Indianapolis Pro 7950 that I have just ordered (£350) together with an iPod remote kit (£35). I have one of these in my 124 and it is a good, discreet system with a surprisingly effective sat nav. Obviously it does Bluetooth and iPod. I will mount the microphone up near the dome light without making any holes. I am going to replace the Blaupunkt speakers with a pair of Audison Prima APX 4 100mm co-axials (£63). These will go in the standard mounting holes in the dash without any damage. Between the two I am going to put a little Alpine KTP-445U amplifier (£118). Hopefully it will be possible to conceal this in the dash or, at worst, under the front seat. This looks like an excellent little amplifier, so much so that I have ordered one for my 124 as well.
This is the Becker:
I have been underneath the car and its is mint. No rot at all. Even the brake and fuel pipes are as new. The rear suspension seems pretty good, too. I could overhaul the rear subframe and links but I cannot see any gain to be had from doing so. It would cost about £500 including parts. Likewise the brake components: they are all relatively new genuine MB parts fitted by a main dealer so there simply is no need yet.
And what of the car? It is FANTASTIC. This is one of the best cars I have ever had the pleasure to drive let alone own. The abiding characteristics are quality and lightness. The build quality seems a cut above my 124. I feel this in the doors: they close like a G-Wagen's. And I feel it in the interior assemblies. They really feel they will last forever. As for lightness, well, the car weighs less than 1,200kg and you can tell. It feels so agile and responsive, it is a real surprise. Combined with the compact body, it makes a perfect town car. I wouldn't take it over the 124 for a run to the south of France but for day-to-day purposes it is better. The engine is smooth and quiet although it prefers to be below 80mph. It is nippy from the off and perfectly respectable in acceleration within legal limits. The chassis is beautifully precise, with a really spot-on match of comfort and precision.
Next step is to replace the front wings and have the body painted from the roof down (there is nothing wrong with the roof), together with some heavy duty rust proofing. Watch this space. And more photos to follow...
Edited by r129sl on Wednesday 18th February 12:30
Page one of the service history is the invoice. No discount. No finance. Just a deposit of £500 and then the balance of 17 grand-odd on delivery.
I did say the car was a one owner car but in doing so I forgot a sad part of the history and made a mistake. The first owner took delivery on 5 April 1990 but died on 18 August that year (by coincidence the very day on which my young sister was being born into this world). On 25 September his widow became the second registered keeper. She serviced the car every year like clockwork at the supplying dealer, Woking Motors which became Mercedes-Benz of Walton on Thames which in turn became Mercedes-Benz Brooklands. They cut her a lot of slack with their prices but even so, some of the bills are eye watering. The car was properly looked after. What is sweet are the little notes she made of whatever advice the service department gave her. They seem to reveal a great effort to take a great deal of care over this vehicle.
Needless to say, I have a fully stamped book, every MOT, the original brochure and colour and upholstery charts, the handbooks, the lot. All of this stuff seems to have been retained. I really enjoy trawling through a car's history.
There's a nice period review here: https://flic.kr/p/pDvqge
I did say the car was a one owner car but in doing so I forgot a sad part of the history and made a mistake. The first owner took delivery on 5 April 1990 but died on 18 August that year (by coincidence the very day on which my young sister was being born into this world). On 25 September his widow became the second registered keeper. She serviced the car every year like clockwork at the supplying dealer, Woking Motors which became Mercedes-Benz of Walton on Thames which in turn became Mercedes-Benz Brooklands. They cut her a lot of slack with their prices but even so, some of the bills are eye watering. The car was properly looked after. What is sweet are the little notes she made of whatever advice the service department gave her. They seem to reveal a great effort to take a great deal of care over this vehicle.
Needless to say, I have a fully stamped book, every MOT, the original brochure and colour and upholstery charts, the handbooks, the lot. All of this stuff seems to have been retained. I really enjoy trawling through a car's history.
There's a nice period review here: https://flic.kr/p/pDvqge
Edited by r129sl on Thursday 19th February 07:15
Quhet said:
OpulentBob said:
That's really lovely. The stripes on the carpet of the start of the transmission tunnel in the front - what's up with them? They look cool but are too uneven to be factory?
Presumably created from a vacuum cleaner 
BobTurner said:
...and of course what we really want to know is...
where can you "order" that Becker for £350? Noting that is the only supplier not mentioned
I bought it here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271770723828?_trksid=p20...where can you "order" that Becker for £350? Noting that is the only supplier not mentioned
The vendor was asking €599 and I made a best offer of €475 which he accepted. Maybe I should have gone in lower. He has another for sale at €575 so presumably would take €450. I ordered it on Monday and it arrived today, in beautiful condition and very well packaged. I was just lucky with the iPod remote kit: they usually go for about £100 but one came up on UK Ebay with a buy it now price of £35 so I snapped it up. The strength of the pound against the euro is good news for this kind of thing.
The bill for fitting the exhaust and the steering gear, doing the tracking, and for diagnosing, supplying and fitting a new ignition switch was £240. You know (obviously), the VAT element of that is £40. It stinks.
Anyway, I've only driven the car a few miles since then and it feels brand new. Just the paint job and it's done.
Well, almost done. I've decided to retrofit a 70litre fuel tank from a 2.6. It gives about 30mpg which on the 55litre standard tank equates to 300miles effective range. That means going to the petrol station every four days which is just too boring. I might change the engine and transmission mounts, too.
Anyway, I've only driven the car a few miles since then and it feels brand new. Just the paint job and it's done.
Well, almost done. I've decided to retrofit a 70litre fuel tank from a 2.6. It gives about 30mpg which on the 55litre standard tank equates to 300miles effective range. That means going to the petrol station every four days which is just too boring. I might change the engine and transmission mounts, too.
I think the Golf is not long for our garage. The rat damage is being repaired on insurance and then it will be converted into an en suite bathroom before too long. Mrs r129sl seems to be really taken with the 190.
I replaced the under-bonnet insulation today. Easy if filthy job. But the part was only £13 at the main dealer, although it took them two attempts to get it. I used Scotch Weld 80 temperature-resistant neoprene adhesive. Then we went out for a drive and, being so sad that my family don't even notice it any more, I took some pictures. The car was washed about 60 miles ago, but you know what the roads are like. Some of the emergent rust can be seen on the offside wing. Aren't those wheel trims the tops?
I replaced the under-bonnet insulation today. Easy if filthy job. But the part was only £13 at the main dealer, although it took them two attempts to get it. I used Scotch Weld 80 temperature-resistant neoprene adhesive. Then we went out for a drive and, being so sad that my family don't even notice it any more, I took some pictures. The car was washed about 60 miles ago, but you know what the roads are like. Some of the emergent rust can be seen on the offside wing. Aren't those wheel trims the tops?
I had the new stereo installed today and, although I have only listened to the wireless, I have to say it sounds great.
Headunit: Becker Indianapolis Pro 7950
Speakers: Audison APX 4
Amplifier: Alpine KTP-445U
The Becker looks mint in the dash. I'll take a pic later or tomorrow but it really does look spot on. The speakers are just little 4" jobs in order to fit the factory mounts but I was impressed by the blurb on them. And the amp is a very compact thing which is concealed in the dash somewhere. I am looking forward to getting one of the amps in my 124. It just sounds clear and crisp, amazing from such small speakers. Recommended.
Headunit: Becker Indianapolis Pro 7950
Speakers: Audison APX 4
Amplifier: Alpine KTP-445U
The Becker looks mint in the dash. I'll take a pic later or tomorrow but it really does look spot on. The speakers are just little 4" jobs in order to fit the factory mounts but I was impressed by the blurb on them. And the amp is a very compact thing which is concealed in the dash somewhere. I am looking forward to getting one of the amps in my 124. It just sounds clear and crisp, amazing from such small speakers. Recommended.
Some (rubbish) pictures below. The headunit illumination is actually a spot on match for the Merc's instrument and switch lighting, even if it looks a bit green here. The amplifier really seems to bring out the best of the speakers. I burnt a CD of some familiar favourite songs to listen to on the way home and I was astonished to get so much out of such little speakers. I need to turn down the gain otherwise it'll blow the speakers, though.
You can get this headunit in a variety of illumination colours including red and green, one of which might be a good match for a Jag. It's a super piece of kit.
Edit: by the way, to the person who asked whether that was me in Killingworth, it wasn't, but it was this car, wife at the wheel, lost.
You can get this headunit in a variety of illumination colours including red and green, one of which might be a good match for a Jag. It's a super piece of kit.
Edit: by the way, to the person who asked whether that was me in Killingworth, it wasn't, but it was this car, wife at the wheel, lost.
Rather than spunk £1,000 on a light ivory estate car that I neither need nor want and which will itself need me only to shower money on it, I have got the ball rolling on the body restoration of my little Spartan. Spurred on by the Albanian car wash jet blasting more paintwork off a rusting wheel arch, I have ordered two new front wings from the main dealer. Good old MB, in the two weeks since I last enquired, the price has gone up 10per cent. With discount, £471 inc VAT for the pair. Full price is £554. At least they will deliver to the Man for free. Maybe they read these posts and selectively increase their prices in the knowledge that they're onto a sure thing.
On the light ivory estate car front, check out this comedian: http://coupeandcabriolet.co.uk/230te-estate/458872... I suppose I could go for the Anglia one on the basis that it's actually saving me £6,000?
On the light ivory estate car front, check out this comedian: http://coupeandcabriolet.co.uk/230te-estate/458872... I suppose I could go for the Anglia one on the basis that it's actually saving me £6,000?
W00DY said:
Were that TE on the correct wheel trims, I'd think it rather lovely.
But not £7.5k lovely.
It's missing the grille emblem, too. We've critically examined this chap's cars before; and I've viewed and driven one, too. Less said the better. But: by all means sell perfect cars at top money, but at least make sure they are perfect and not missing a few penny parts.But not £7.5k lovely.
The wings have arrived. I have also obtained some little decal details including pukka Merc snow tyre warning stickers for the instrument binnacle. Finally I have bought a new Merc battery so it is just so under the bonnet. I expect it will be Monday before the car goes to the bodyshop and the action starts. I am still looking for a 70litre fuel tank; and I am pondering fitting 15 hole forged alloy wheels with summer tyres. I was just going to leave it on winters but I can really feel how inadequate they are in my 129, something I have never previously noticed in the 124.
Wings:
Windscreen sticker:
Winter tyre warning sticker:
Wings:
Windscreen sticker:
Winter tyre warning sticker:
Ali2202 said:
Great thread OP!
I too have a 190 but it's an 2.0L 'E' and really quite special and a well-travelled thing!.....
Made in Germany (obvs!) in 1998 and shipped to Tokyo for sale to 1st owner. Spec. - Gunmetal-grey paint. Leccy sunroof, Leccy windows x 4, Leccy seats and both fronts heated. 2-tone black/grey leather throughout, working air-con and those lovely alloys you previously referred to. 63K on the clock.
Imported to the UK from Japan around 2004. I bought it immediately on sight in 2009 for £1700! It was nearly immaculate. We then drove it out to our home on Lake Como where it sits patiently in our garage with the battery disconnected. Starts 1st time/every time we use it. We've been stopped a few times by the Caribinieri (normal out there) and they always smile at the 'Mercedes-Benz-Tokyo' dealer sticker and Tokyo parking-permit that remain attached.
Brilliant wee thing that will probably outlast me and the Mrs!
Pretty much everything about this post is cool.I too have a 190 but it's an 2.0L 'E' and really quite special and a well-travelled thing!.....
Made in Germany (obvs!) in 1998 and shipped to Tokyo for sale to 1st owner. Spec. - Gunmetal-grey paint. Leccy sunroof, Leccy windows x 4, Leccy seats and both fronts heated. 2-tone black/grey leather throughout, working air-con and those lovely alloys you previously referred to. 63K on the clock.
Imported to the UK from Japan around 2004. I bought it immediately on sight in 2009 for £1700! It was nearly immaculate. We then drove it out to our home on Lake Como where it sits patiently in our garage with the battery disconnected. Starts 1st time/every time we use it. We've been stopped a few times by the Caribinieri (normal out there) and they always smile at the 'Mercedes-Benz-Tokyo' dealer sticker and Tokyo parking-permit that remain attached.
Brilliant wee thing that will probably outlast me and the Mrs!
Ideal spec, air con and heated seats. What is the two tone leather like? That has me worried a little bit.
I delivered the 190 to the Man today together with the first tranche of problem solver. Here it is disappearing into his compound (Gateshead is neither as photogenic nor as cool as Como):
And these are the most visible of the body defects. Here the nearside front wing, very, very minor rust peeking through the dirt, it will be worse on the inside and it is only going to go one way.
Altogether worse on the offside:
And there is a spec on the rear end panel, under the light cluster:
There is also rot on both front door jambs. Where the wiring goes from the car into the door, the bellows-like sheath has trapped moisture and abraded the surface on both sides, so a little repair (necessitating door removal) will be required there. After abrading the rust away, I have specified Bilt Hamber Hydrate 80 rust converter and then Electrox zinc-rich primer on those bits with a view to preventing it from coming back. The car is also getting a double dose of Dynax S50 cavity wax and Dynax UB underseal.
This week will hopefully see it stripped. Next week he is on holiday. Then the action begins again. I am quite keen on getting a set of alloys for it, they would have to be the early, forged type with the round holes. If anyone has any, do get in touch. I am definitely going to spring for summer tyres.
And these are the most visible of the body defects. Here the nearside front wing, very, very minor rust peeking through the dirt, it will be worse on the inside and it is only going to go one way.
Altogether worse on the offside:
And there is a spec on the rear end panel, under the light cluster:
There is also rot on both front door jambs. Where the wiring goes from the car into the door, the bellows-like sheath has trapped moisture and abraded the surface on both sides, so a little repair (necessitating door removal) will be required there. After abrading the rust away, I have specified Bilt Hamber Hydrate 80 rust converter and then Electrox zinc-rich primer on those bits with a view to preventing it from coming back. The car is also getting a double dose of Dynax S50 cavity wax and Dynax UB underseal.
This week will hopefully see it stripped. Next week he is on holiday. Then the action begins again. I am quite keen on getting a set of alloys for it, they would have to be the early, forged type with the round holes. If anyone has any, do get in touch. I am definitely going to spring for summer tyres.
Edited by r129sl on Tuesday 31st March 09:54
Strip down begins. The man thinks it's a good one. Certainly there is no rot on the inner wings and even the wings themselves don't look too bad. Obviously there is some way to go yet...
This was lurking under the Sacco panel on the nearside. Interestingly, I thought the nearside was in the best nick.
Offside is clean as a whistle under the Saccos although the arch lip is starting to go.
This was lurking under the Sacco panel on the nearside. Interestingly, I thought the nearside was in the best nick.
Offside is clean as a whistle under the Saccos although the arch lip is starting to go.
The Man has pronounced it "a minter".
Any advice on preservation? I'm thinking Dynax S50 inside the sills, inside the doors and underneath the Saccos. Is Dynax UB all that's required inside the wings? Or should there be stonechip underneath? What about a bead of seam sealer along the raw edge?
Any advice on preservation? I'm thinking Dynax S50 inside the sills, inside the doors and underneath the Saccos. Is Dynax UB all that's required inside the wings? Or should there be stonechip underneath? What about a bead of seam sealer along the raw edge?
Ha! This was one occasion on which my technique of leaving a desired car on the computer screen paid off. My wife saw it, liked it and made the decision to buy it (no doubt for my benefit) and paid half of the price. And now she drives it as her daily. So it had very little to do with me... 
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