I've bought a Peugeot 207!
Discussion
Well Peugeot say it's a 207.... Mygale say it's a Spider:
Having planned to do a spot of racing next year I needed to find a car. I wanted something with a car powertrain rather than bike and ideally some type of sports prototype as I do the Formula car thing for a day job. I wanted something with a decent gearbox that I could use for some dev at some point and also being me I fancied something a bit unusual so when I saw a 207 Spider on RCD then it ticked all the boxes!
After a quick blat over to Denmark in our truck (which helpfully decided that heating was overrated) last weekend I've spent a bit of time today going over it:
It's a really good little racing car! It's a Mygale though so it was going to be fairly decent
Power is from a 1600CC THP lump usually found in the Mini Cooper S and 207 GTI, however in this application is has Marelli electronics, two intercoolers, a fiddled with turbo and makes 220bhp. The coolers are side mounted with a rad in the LH pod and a rad and two ICs in the RH pod. The gearbox is a Sadev ST75 sequential with an early version of Shiftec paddle shift. Suspension is inboard via pull rods all round and the dampers are Koni units. Brakes are the 330mm discs off the 407 road car with the twin pot calipers so discs and pads are cheap! It has electro-hydraulic PAS with a modified 407 rack and the uprights and bearings are modified road car too - so it should be pretty cost effective to run and repair. The fuel cell is a 60L bag with dry breaks for filling.
It's sat for a long while so is pretty grubby and needs a few bits and a decent prep but surprisingly little is wrong with it.
First job post clean was to add some silencing as the standard cars run open pipes. Being turbo'd it looses a lot of exhaust energy before it gets to the tail pipe but even so it needed something so I quickly nailed a spare silencer box to the back of it. This should get it quite enough and mean we can go out testing ASAP, at some point in the new year it will have something a bit prettier made that also deletes the flexi from the standard car so as to improve clearance to the rear floor which was showing some signs of heat damage.
I did a quick fix on the rear bodywork to solve the toasted area around the exhaust exit and VHT'd the floor to give it a fighting chance:
The original dash install was on the centreline of the cockpit and this doesn't work for me (too much muscle memory of glance down) so I swapped the wheel for an open top Momo and moved the dash to the centre behind the wheel which is much more like it:
The original shift system was early Shiftec which was as good as it got in the day:
However as it needed a service and things have moved on I've upgraded it to a Shift Servo based setup. It's all mocked up in position and the new mounting bracket and selector clevis should be out of machining around Wedensday next week to get this completed. As I don't have access to the Marelli GCU I've also retained the pressure sensor from the original valve block which now lives in a machined T-Piece on the air feed to the Shift Servo. It was an easy job to mod the standard gearbox loom to convert it from the old style valve connectors to a DTM. The Shift Servo is an awesome bit of kit as it integrates the valves onto the actuator so the response time is WAY quicker than a remote valve block setup.
Next jobs are to patch a bit of bodywork, replaced a few damaged Dzus fasteners, make a trick fueling rig, give the gearbox and engine a big service and then set it up to Pugs recomendation and get some testing done!
I'll keep you all informed of how it develops....... and I'm sure there is room for a MUCH bigger turbo with only a small mod to the bulkhead
Having planned to do a spot of racing next year I needed to find a car. I wanted something with a car powertrain rather than bike and ideally some type of sports prototype as I do the Formula car thing for a day job. I wanted something with a decent gearbox that I could use for some dev at some point and also being me I fancied something a bit unusual so when I saw a 207 Spider on RCD then it ticked all the boxes!
After a quick blat over to Denmark in our truck (which helpfully decided that heating was overrated) last weekend I've spent a bit of time today going over it:
It's a really good little racing car! It's a Mygale though so it was going to be fairly decent
Power is from a 1600CC THP lump usually found in the Mini Cooper S and 207 GTI, however in this application is has Marelli electronics, two intercoolers, a fiddled with turbo and makes 220bhp. The coolers are side mounted with a rad in the LH pod and a rad and two ICs in the RH pod. The gearbox is a Sadev ST75 sequential with an early version of Shiftec paddle shift. Suspension is inboard via pull rods all round and the dampers are Koni units. Brakes are the 330mm discs off the 407 road car with the twin pot calipers so discs and pads are cheap! It has electro-hydraulic PAS with a modified 407 rack and the uprights and bearings are modified road car too - so it should be pretty cost effective to run and repair. The fuel cell is a 60L bag with dry breaks for filling. It's sat for a long while so is pretty grubby and needs a few bits and a decent prep but surprisingly little is wrong with it.
First job post clean was to add some silencing as the standard cars run open pipes. Being turbo'd it looses a lot of exhaust energy before it gets to the tail pipe but even so it needed something so I quickly nailed a spare silencer box to the back of it. This should get it quite enough and mean we can go out testing ASAP, at some point in the new year it will have something a bit prettier made that also deletes the flexi from the standard car so as to improve clearance to the rear floor which was showing some signs of heat damage.
I did a quick fix on the rear bodywork to solve the toasted area around the exhaust exit and VHT'd the floor to give it a fighting chance:
The original dash install was on the centreline of the cockpit and this doesn't work for me (too much muscle memory of glance down) so I swapped the wheel for an open top Momo and moved the dash to the centre behind the wheel which is much more like it:
The original shift system was early Shiftec which was as good as it got in the day:
However as it needed a service and things have moved on I've upgraded it to a Shift Servo based setup. It's all mocked up in position and the new mounting bracket and selector clevis should be out of machining around Wedensday next week to get this completed. As I don't have access to the Marelli GCU I've also retained the pressure sensor from the original valve block which now lives in a machined T-Piece on the air feed to the Shift Servo. It was an easy job to mod the standard gearbox loom to convert it from the old style valve connectors to a DTM. The Shift Servo is an awesome bit of kit as it integrates the valves onto the actuator so the response time is WAY quicker than a remote valve block setup.
Next jobs are to patch a bit of bodywork, replaced a few damaged Dzus fasteners, make a trick fueling rig, give the gearbox and engine a big service and then set it up to Pugs recomendation and get some testing done!
I'll keep you all informed of how it develops....... and I'm sure there is room for a MUCH bigger turbo with only a small mod to the bulkhead
SamuliS said:
Interesting car ppbb. What year is it? And where was it raced originally, one marque series or GT racing?
It's a 2007 car and was originally built in 175bhp form to compete in a one make series backed by Peugeot that supported the LeMans series that year. It was then upgraded to "THP Spider" spec and ran in the THP Spider championship until this ended taking several race wins. From there it was used sporadically as a driver training car before competing in Danish Endurance Championship in 2015. I plan to do some sprints with it in Javelin, a few track days and probably rent a few drives in OSS to help cover the costs. I'm very time poor so the opportunity to do a full season of OSS unfortunately isn't there this year but this car is a long term one for me as it ticks so many boxes and is easy to look after without manufacturer support.
There is a series of videos from Auto Express about the car and driving it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYAP4CVQV4E - although it's pretty low quality as it's from 2010
DanielSan said:
I’m assuming these are rear wheel drive? I honestly didn’t think they ever raced them, only pic I’ve ever seen was some old motorshow shot when it must’ve just been released.
Yep:
Transverse mounted as per the road car but in the back with a Sadev sequential gearbox on the end. I'm expecting it to be very 911 in it's handling as it's very rear bias....... which obviously is no bad thing as far as I'm concerned
The race car developed from the concept car, firstly the 20CUP 3 wheeler which then became the Spider concept which was produced but only as this racing car.
Things are progressing well with the Pug, considering it's very much a part time thing!
Back end is back together with the stays etc. tweeked to close up the gaps in the bodywork and stop it panting.
Also carbon'd up the rear gurneys for extra cool points:
Motor and box have had a big service and no issues apparent there so looking good, the motor is super clean inside but then it's only done 40 hours so it should be
It's all looking a bit cleaner and more looked after in the back now:
The shift system upgrade has worked out well, it's a bit of a fittings collection to get the pressure sensor in (I can't change it for a different spec one as I don't have access to the GCU to calibrate it) but machining up a block to do it would only save one joint and would be a bit OTT for this, it's not an F1 after all!
Just a few bits left and I can set it up. I have a couple of sets of Michelin slicks but may switch to the BTCC Dunlops if I can squeeze them on..... especially as I can buy them used for not a lot of money.
Back end is back together with the stays etc. tweeked to close up the gaps in the bodywork and stop it panting.
Also carbon'd up the rear gurneys for extra cool points:
Motor and box have had a big service and no issues apparent there so looking good, the motor is super clean inside but then it's only done 40 hours so it should be
It's all looking a bit cleaner and more looked after in the back now:
The shift system upgrade has worked out well, it's a bit of a fittings collection to get the pressure sensor in (I can't change it for a different spec one as I don't have access to the GCU to calibrate it) but machining up a block to do it would only save one joint and would be a bit OTT for this, it's not an F1 after all!
Just a few bits left and I can set it up. I have a couple of sets of Michelin slicks but may switch to the BTCC Dunlops if I can squeeze them on..... especially as I can buy them used for not a lot of money.
agent006 said:
Link's mangled, try this:
http://voiturederallye-avendre.com/peugeot-spider-...
Someone needs to buy that so we can have a PH two car team http://voiturederallye-avendre.com/peugeot-spider-...
It's a really nice car and in good condition. I'd have had that one if mine hadn't become available.
magooagain said:
Mmm. I know it's not all about the money but are they a sound investment?
They don't really depreciate as there is a very limited supply. If it's in good order then a 20K Euro car today won't drop anything like a 20K Euro recent road car will but the running costs can be high as the box is expensive to rebuild and a new set of slicks is a grand. It depends what you want to do with it - as a track day car they are probably cheaper than most road cars, as a race car then it pays to keep them in fine fettle which costs accordingly.MB140 said:
Dam you poppopbangbang!!!!!
Your the reason I am wasting my life away on Pistonheads. Another topic bookmarked. Does this mean the 996 will be taking a back seat for a while?
Made me chuckle when you wrote nonchalantly oh it’s an easy job to rewrite the loom. Yeah like we all posses the skills to do it.
Looking forward to the updates.
Well it's only swap one plug over and reroute it to suit Your the reason I am wasting my life away on Pistonheads. Another topic bookmarked. Does this mean the 996 will be taking a back seat for a while?
Made me chuckle when you wrote nonchalantly oh it’s an easy job to rewrite the loom. Yeah like we all posses the skills to do it.
Looking forward to the updates.
The 996 is my daily so it will still be clocking up the miles and having various bits done. The RX8 is also run in now and doing 10.5K RPM quite well
chuntington101 said:
Nice car! Have you got any pics of the twin intercoolers? Dose it also run a rad each side?
Twin ICs:
And yes one rad each side with a cross over pipe between them.
Coolant on one side:
And coolant with the two ICs on the other:
Oil cooling is via a water / oil heat exchanger mounted on the block.
df76 said:
Will be interesting to see what the lap times were for these.. will have to do some digging.
Something that's cropped up elsewhere recently. If you haven't got it already, can I suggest that you get the roll bar FIA certificate from Mygale to prove that it's compliant (it will be as it ran as an international series). This issue may need to be overcome if you plan to use it in UK events - it will be ok with the right certificate.
2:01 around old Silverstone so fairly nippy for a 1600CC car engine'd thing. Something that's cropped up elsewhere recently. If you haven't got it already, can I suggest that you get the roll bar FIA certificate from Mygale to prove that it's compliant (it will be as it ran as an international series). This issue may need to be overcome if you plan to use it in UK events - it will be ok with the right certificate.
I've already been on to Puegeot Sport who have helpfully sent me the manual and all the certs for the car but this is excellent advice for anyone else buying weird and wonderful stuff!
So another evening of tinkering and I think it's about there now. It's not really taken anything beyond a big clean and a few tweeks to get it there so very, very pleased as buying the one out of a barn that hasn't been used for ages is always a bit of a gamble!
Made some new grills for the rear to replace the missing one and ratty looking other:
Back end looks much more like it now, although the jury is out on whether to stick a shiney end on the exhaust can or not:
Setup showed it wasn't far out so clearly had some time into it previously. The move away from the setup sheet was what you would expect to see after a bit of hard circuit use and it's always good when there are the same amount of shims in each side and the car measures up square
Front end does look good now it's had new lights, I'll sort the splitter/lower bumper area out once I've shaken it down as it'll only get damaged during if I do it now.
It's really quite a nice thing now it's clean and presentable:
Runs a treat and the dash is much better now it's had a clean and spruce, it's quite a nice bit of kit with integrated OBD and lap timing. I'm going to reverse engineer the CAN to it so I can run a decent logger as the cars had no data beyond lap times.
Just need to shake it down now and see if I still have any pace
Made some new grills for the rear to replace the missing one and ratty looking other:
Back end looks much more like it now, although the jury is out on whether to stick a shiney end on the exhaust can or not:
Setup showed it wasn't far out so clearly had some time into it previously. The move away from the setup sheet was what you would expect to see after a bit of hard circuit use and it's always good when there are the same amount of shims in each side and the car measures up square
Front end does look good now it's had new lights, I'll sort the splitter/lower bumper area out once I've shaken it down as it'll only get damaged during if I do it now.
It's really quite a nice thing now it's clean and presentable:
Runs a treat and the dash is much better now it's had a clean and spruce, it's quite a nice bit of kit with integrated OBD and lap timing. I'm going to reverse engineer the CAN to it so I can run a decent logger as the cars had no data beyond lap times.
Just need to shake it down now and see if I still have any pace
SidewaysSi said:
There was one of these at Bedford Autodrome on Saturday.
Certainly drew a few looks...
It was this one actually. We're based on BA Certainly drew a few looks...
Had to run at 4500RPM in the morning (due to noise) and on 7 year old wets but just wanted to see if it all worked. Once we'd found some fresher tyres, changed the setup and welded another silencer together I was able to do a few laps in the afternoon before it tripped the meters again but at least we know it moves under its own power and has all the gears now
Mark Benson said:
I remember seeing these at the Spa LMS race that year. We assumed they weren't much more than 207s with the roof chopped off and didn't pay much attention to them, didn't even watch them race. Clearly they're a bit more special than that, but a good amount of (relatively inexpensive) road car parts-bin consumables nontheless.
I want one now.
Have a go in this one if you're at Bedford at any point. It's an interesting car to drive, feels a lot like a grippier 2-Eleven. I want one now.
Edited by Mark Benson on Monday 11th December 10:50
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