2005 BMW M6 V10

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James B

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Hi all,

A few months ago I got the itch for a replacement daily. The incumbent was a 2015 Mercedes C63 AMG saloon which was chosen to replace my 911 (997.1) 2S when my wife was expecting our son. 2 years on and I’ve covered a paltry 10k miles in total and experienced a fair whack of depreciation (I’m a buyer not a renter, maybe that’s where I’ve been going awry?) so as a wee project/experiment I thought I would see if there was a car out there that I could still use as my daily, although I don’t need to drive every day, but still enjoy as a car to own and still have performance to excite me. The only stipulation was that it needed to be safe enough to carry my son in his car seat for the two mornings a week that I drop him off at nursery and that my wife can drive it without too much issue as I use her car as my tow beast for race weekends. Budget-wise I wanted to keep under £50k and I wanted to try to get something that would see minimal depreciation and if possible some appreciation. Running costs would be taken into account in terms of repairs but fuel costs won’t be of much concern given the low mileage.

The list had 993 and 964’s on it, Maserati GranTurismo, Mercedes E63, CLS63 and the BMW M6. All of the above are cars I can get excited about and I did have a spreadsheet running to compare them all spec, performance and size-wise but early on it became clear there was an early leader when the purchase cost was considered; the M6.
This realisation coincided with a few articles being written about the M6 and then the good people of PH wrote a buying guide which really pushed me to action before everyone snapped up the good ones! Remember the effect of the manual V12 Ferrari article?! I needed to be quick!

As mentioned the M6 was very pleasantly well within budget so I was able to be very choosy and pay the asking price at the upper end of the market. I wasn’t after a garage queen either as an ultra low mileage would likely suffer a multitude of issues when pressed back into service. There was also no need to pay a big premium when I’m not specifically buying for investment purposes so it made sense that I bought a good low miler that had been used and serviced well. The car I wanted popped up at a Cheshire based trader and I promptly made the call. It was a late 2005 car with verified 20k miles. Black paint and black interior wouldn’t be my very first choice but it looked so good. Also, pleasingly, the previous owners had serviced it well at the maindealers, fitted a new clutch in Jan of this year and also fitted the upgraded LCI infotainment system and rear lights.

A deal was agreed and I collected the car on Dec 28th. The weather was rather lively in central Scotland that day but the car got me home perfectly. It even returned an mpg in the mid 20’s! Goodness me, it’s even economical! Haha!

You’ll all be after pics so here goes;

James B

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James B

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All of those pics are from the seller and are what I based my purchase on.

I did manage to wash it after getting back to Aberdeen. It was a chilly 2 degrees but I did it and am glad I did as it helps the bonding process!

I have a few nice pics of the car from that wash but I’m struggling to post them correctly oriented for some reason so need to look at that. It may be tomorrow before I manage.

Despite the cars brilliant condition and spec there is still a wee to-do list;

Obtain BMW extended warranty
Full paint detail and ceramic coating
Minor dent on rear arch to be dent devilled
A/C regas
Replace wipers
Change a few light bulbs for improved led versions both interior and exterior
Buy and fit OEM luggage net for boot floor
Replace tyres for Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
and if I find a reasonably priced pair of front LED indicators then I would swap the originals for those just to update the look of the front end slightly.


Edited by James B on Wednesday 3rd January 12:03

James B

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Wednesday 3rd January 2018
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Cheers for the comments guys.
It's not all that bad up here and the M6 is a lot more docile than many would believe. The C63 it replaces would spin the wheels daily and that's without provocation. It was just the way the power was delivered. The V10 is torquey but so controllable being normally aspirated so I haven't any issues yet with traction.

I also got my pics from the clean.





James B

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Wednesday 3rd January 2018
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So things are progressing nicely.

A/C regas is booked for Sat morning.
Dent Devils are awaiting a pic of the dent to confirm they can help.
The tyres are proving an issue however as Michelin have chosen not to make the standard front tyre size for the M6 in their new Pilot Sport 4S so I am left with only the Pilot Super Sport for the front. I'm a bit fussy so would want matching rubber front and rear though so may need to settle for MPSS all round. In fairness it's a bit of a first world problem as the MPSS is still a great tyre and I have run them on the Vanquish and C63 for years.

James B

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Thursday 4th January 2018
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Prinny said:
my snip...
James B said:
The tyres are proving an issue however as Michelin have chosen not to make the standard front tyre size for the M6 in their new Pilot Sport 4S so I am left with only the Pilot Super Sport for the front. I'm a bit fussy so would want matching rubber front and rear though so may need to settle for MPSS all round. In fairness it's a bit of a first world problem as the MPSS is still a great tyre and I have run them on the Vanquish and C63 for years.
Nice... I have sneaky suspicion that when I bought mine back in October/November, you were also potentially an interested party? (2006 in Interlagos blue, 50k miles - Dealer still in Cheshire - called James too!)

Either way, I too have been thinking along the same lines in terms of tyres for mine, probably going to go ‘up’ 10mm on the width & go for 265 at front, 295 at back, as MP4S’s are made in those widths. I’ve done the 10mm up-size on all my BMW’s so far without issue...
I have Pilot Alpin 4 on in standard sizes at present and they’re fine, should you decide to get some winter rubber.
Only issue is finding a second set of wheels! Style 167’s are forged, and they aren’t cheap...

Best of luck with the dents, etc, and if you do make a move on tyres, please let me know how you get on? (I run the mps4s’s on the 7-series, so do have (+ve) experience of them already). I’ve a rr thread in here somewhere...

Rob.
Prinny,

Yes I was also looking at that car but at the time I wasn't entirely happy with the money I was getting for my C63. I would have preferred your colour scheme for sure but I can live with what I have!

I'll have a think on the tyres. I put larger rears on my C63 as it came with MPSS in 265 flavour on the rear which I felt was too narrow for something pushing nigh on 500bhp. I changed to MPS4S in 285 width and they really filled out the back!
I have real a few comments that the MPSS/MPS4S tyres have a wider tread than other tyres (i.e. more square a cross section) so an MPSS/MPS4S will look wider than a Pirelli or Continental of same size. No idea if actually true as it was just written on the net but could be worth bearing in mind.
I'll do a little research.
I also haven't had any higher speed dry running yet so can't say for sure but the M6 was known to push on/understeer a little in corners which I am not a fan of. I like a planted front end and feedback from the rear as to when it'll break traction. The throttle on this V10 is so linear that it really does lend itself to very easy throttle control so the back end shouldn't be going anywhere unless you have urged it to do so with the throttle. To solve the understeer it may well be worth getting a little more rubber on the road so i'll have a serious look at the MPS4S sizes.

As for winter rubber, I was just going to find the 18" option wheels and stick some winters on them. I do actually have the winters off my Mercedes which will fit the M6 rims but are the wrong profile for the car so it would look a little odd!

James B

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Thursday 4th January 2018
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alec.e said:
Looks great, maybe I should try one. That V10 engine must be a beast and they have aged quite well, just wish they came up with a proper cupholder wink
I must admit that I'm quite surprised as to how good it feels. I thoroughly enjoy driving it and my son has a great time in his car seat in the back as he's got a much better view out of the front than in any of our other cars.

I agree on the cup holder though! It's a bit of an afterthought. My wife took the M6 to the gym last night to see what it was all about and was not happy that her perfectly regularly sized water bottle was too large to fit it! I do see that there is another holder in the centre console behind the drivers seat back. Hardly handy for use while driving but a holder all the same and appears to be larger.



James B

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ReaperCushions said:
Such great value these cars. Not my first choice of color combo (As I'm sure it wasn't yours) but you can't be that choosy when looking second hand in a specialist market.

Any plans to release a bit more noise?
Yes I felt that the value was the driver for me on this one. I could have stuck £50k into a 993 C4 and been perfectly happy but i've had a few 911's and the possibility of getting into something with an engine as fabulous as the M6 was too great a chance to pass on. If I really hanker after another modernish 911 then I can throw caution to the wind and get the man maths calculator out and just use the rest of the 'budget' for a leggy 964 and get playing with it!

The aural experience of my cars is important to me and having had the AMG Performance exhaust on the C63 the M6 had a lot to live up to. It doesn't start with quite the same bark as the C63 (or the Vanquish for that matter) but it's fairly loud. On the road the exhaust note in the cabin isn't really that noticeable at all but I'm not sure I want it to be in that car. I'm heading on a run this weekend so will get a chance to really try out the car and see what its like.
I have to bear in mind that my intention with this car is to keep it standard and perfect and not for it to be some modified mess that is then seen by the market as imperfect.

James B

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Thursday 4th January 2018
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jonamv8 said:
Nice!

Exceptional value these are but repair costs can be huge.

How did you feel going from a 2015 to a 2005?

Im looking at 07/08 997s but concerned about going back agewise by quite a few years. Currently in an F12 640d which I’ve had for over a year now and to be fair its been brilliant but i always itch for a new car after a year or so.....
Repair costs could be lively granted but i'm getting the BMW all cover warranty so that will offer some peace of mind.

In all honesty for driving i'm all about the experience and not necessarily the luxury. The C63 was lovely and had all the toys but, aside from keyless entry and start, the M has everything the C63 has and more if you count the HUD.
The gearboxes aren't really comparable. I actually hated shifting the C63 paddles myself as it felt so soulless as the shift just happened and the engine note blended into the next rev range. I did enjoy the downshift pops in sport plus mode though and unless the M6 has some popping etc on the overrun I'll miss that even though i know it was a little feature contrived by the AMG techs. I am aware that fitting the catless headers on the M6 has the same effect but the £3k price tag to do so doesn't really fit my scope for this car.

It is also worth bearing in mind that I put 10k miles on my Vanquish which is a remarkably similar car to the M6. It was a couple of years newer but the the M6 actually feels a newer car, particularly with the spec it has.

So to sum up, materially and interior design I can see and feel the difference between the M6 and the C63 but in terms of build quality the M6 is head and shoulders above the C63. The Merc was a creaky rattly thing when I bought it new. It went back a few times and was eventually sorted. The M6 however feels utterly solid and not rattle to be heard. There is the slightest squeak from the drivers seat base which i'll look at this weekend before my run on Sunday.

James B

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Thursday 4th January 2018
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Speed addicted said:
I'm also based near Aberdeen, if you're looking for a good garage to look after the M6 Scott Feaks at Premier motors on the hardgate is very good. He's been looking after my 2005 645 for the last few years and I won't take it anywhere else now.
(just noticed that you're going to be extending the warranty, main dealers only then!)

Car looks great, how do you find the SMG gearbox?
I know of Scott and have suggested to my mother than she takes her Z4M there on a few occasions.
I have used AW Autotech with great success too over the years and Kev there is ex-BMW and knows these cars well.

The BMW warranty will mean maindealers for servicing but unless a warranty issue i'll be going the indy route if i can't do it myself on my garage ramps.

As mentioned previously I haven't really had the chance to fully appreciate the SMG box but will do this weekend.
I can say that the auto mode is much better than the Vanquish but still incomparable to a true auto. Driven with some thought it's perfectly useable however.
The paddle mode is good, slow shifts at lower speeds and faster shifts at higher speeds. Will see how it compares at the weekend on a longer drive.

James B

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Friday 5th January 2018
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Slippydiff,

Wow, that's some write up and certainly an accolade for the car to be considered better than what can only be described as most people's lottery list of cars!

I won't be changing the exhaust. I heard it all properly last night and am perfectly happy that its the right blend of quiet and loud at the right times.

I also wouldn't change the suspension either as it was something I noted as being so good from the first time I drove the M6. I'm going to get mine on a Hunter machine to check the geometry just to be sure its all correctly aligned but it feels good.

I can see the fuel issue looming. I've done 20 miles of town driving with a few spirited accelerations and have used just under a 1/4 tank. I will find out this weekend what the car's true endurance on a run is but would imagine i'll not be passing the Shell station too often without popping in!

I'm interested to see how the brakes perform. It hasn't felt underbraked so far but maybe they overheat and suffer fade longer into a drive. I'm not against fitting a bbk to the front anyway but would have the calipers in black to match the car as it stands today.




James B

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Friday 5th January 2018
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Prinny said:
James B said:
Slippydiff,]

I can see the fuel issue looming. I've done 20 miles of town driving with a few spirited accelerations and have used just under a 1/4 tank. I will find out this weekend what the car's true endurance on a run is but would imagine i'll not be passing the Shell station too often without popping in!
I find the top 1/4 of the tank isn’t really representative, it seems to disappear between 20 & 35 miles regardless of what you do. 2/4 can however be at 65 - 150 (town/run) as my two outliers so far. Always v-power too.

I’ve done a true mileage/fill table for mine in my RR thread, and will continue to do so.

Basically, I’m getting 10 around town, 20 on the motorway.
Cheers for the heads up, I'll be refilling before sunday (although the forecast appears to suggest it'll be -3c on Sunday morning so i'm not sure how many of my buddies will be up for digging out the exotics for a drive) so will see how quickly each section drains!

James B

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Friday 5th January 2018
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unpc said:
Nice as it is, forget the M6 and tell us more about the Aston and the Alfa hiding in the garage.
Simple really;

Aston is a 1969 DB6 Volante Mk1. Painted in Caribbean Pearl and with blue itnerior and hood. It has been in my family since new and has covered around 45k miles iirc. It is in completely unrestored condition.

The Alfa is a 1968 GT Junior that I imported from NZ a few years ago to race. It's a fully prepped 2ltr car eligible for any club level classic racing. Huge amounts of fun are derived from getting it out. Oh and it's road legal which is nice.

James B

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Got the M6 out for a reasonable drive yesterday and it's fair to say that i'm even more impressed.

It was -4C when i started the car yesterday and the day never warmed at all but it was sunny and fundamentally dry.

I headed out with some friends in their various exotics (Lambo Performante, 991 GTS, 991 C4S & AM V8 Vantage) so it would be fair to say the that the budget Bahnstormer was in some fine, if somewhat better heeled, company. Undaunted, the M6 (with M button pushed of course) set off in convoy as we headed for the breakfast stop. Whilst very cold there was still some grip and we were able to make good progress. It was the first time I had taken the car above even 6k rpm and i'm delighted i have now! It makes a lovely sound. As mentioned in the thread earlier there is enough engine noise in the cabin to be pleasurable but not intrusive and the exhaust is audible but as background only. Perfect, I would say, for a proper GT car.

Performance:
The car has plenty of power. It's really controllable though as the delivery is so linear, no big lumps of power to spin the wheels. It pulls hard to the limiter and is extremely responsive when getting back on the power through a corner. To compare none of the cars present had the legs on the M6 in the driving conditions we had that day. A great engine!

Gearbox:
The box really did come into it's own on the open road. Its perfectly quick and I was up and down the gears exactly as I would be in any of the other cars I have/have had. I also really like the fact it too will skip a downshift gear by double or triple tapping on the downshift paddle. Genuinely I can't say anything bad about it. It's a very good system!

Handling:
I given the nature of Scottish B-roads in the winter I should have raised the suspension and stuck on a set of knobblies but in the absence of those the 'comfort' ride selection was chosen. Its a very well damped car with absolutely no lack of compliance over even the most rutted of corners. I did firm it up a couple of times to the 'normal' setting and once to 'sport' but the latter was far too hard and I found sport to be nice enough but still slightly jittery on the more damaged/worn sections of road. I did feel that the front wandered a little under power though and the rear was waggling all over the road. The tyres are certainly long past their best and will be changed asap. I am also going to get a full geo setup to check everything is pointing where it should be.

Brakes:
I found the brakes fair enough. They have sufficient initial bite to feel good but there is a slight lack of ultimate stopping power from speed. I didn't really get them hot enough to fade but got the impression that I probably could without too much issue. I wanted to retain the originality of the car but this may be something I improve by way of a caliper change and disc size increase. I want to keep to the 19's though so nothing that will compromise that.
I see that there's a set of M Performance calipers and discs on eBay at the moment. They're quite scabby so easily repainted black as I would need and the discs are scrap as they have cracks propagating from the drilled holes in the disc face. Seller says they "just about fit under the 19's but would recommend 20's" so i'll ask him what he means by just about.



James B

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Tuesday 9th January 2018
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TR4man said:
James B said:
Damn Photobucket!
Yeah tell me about it! However I understand there's a plugin you can run in Chrome that allows the pictures still to be viewed. Not sure what browser you're using but it works for me.

James B

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Friday 12th January 2018
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Well the small fuel tank in this car could well be an issue. That was 118miles between fills and i left it until it said there was 32 miles left in the tank. The car took 56litres so there was still 9 litres in there.

I'll see how my real use works with the tank size as this week hasn't been typical.

In other news the A/C re-gas has done the trick as we are now icy cold in the car.

The Dent Devils man is an hour away from me now so hopefully he can improve the dent in the rear arch. He'll be getting a massive pat on the back if so as it's a tough one!

The drivers seat has developed a creak so i'll do some investigating this weekend. I suspect it's from the plastic casing that covers the motors and mechanisms operating the seat. Should hopefully respond well to a suitably placed felt sticker.

Otherwise the car is just superb. Really enjoying it and am completely at home with it. I actually find the auto mode fine and run to and from the office entirely in auto. I do put the shift speed up to 4 out of 5 as that seems to force the box to downshift to 1st gear when i stop. If i leave it in 1 or 2 of the 5 settings then it seems to choose 2nd gear for pulling away which i feel must run the clutch for longer.

James B

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Saturday 13th January 2018
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8bit said:
Very, very nice, well done. I had the M6 on my shortlist but ultimately chose the XKR instead - I may end up with one of these yet though. I'll look out for you in Aberdeen.
8bit, I live near you. We’ve chatted before. I’m pals with Ross across the road from you.
The XKR was on my shortlist but ultimately failed the “too much like our old Range Rover inside” that we had a few too many issues with.



James B

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Saturday 13th January 2018
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aberdeenelvis said:
Scott looks after my e60 M5 servicing, I've not had any issues with any claims on my BMW approved extended warranty. Had a broken spring covered and a traction / ABS / control module fault, A 2.5k bill if I recall, All covered under warranty,

Servicing by scott is a must.


Edited by aberdeenelvis on Saturday 13th January 09:55
That’s very interesting. I would use Scott or AW Autotech, who I trust implicitly on all of our cars at present, if the warranty would allow it. Did you ever raise with BMW who was servicing the car?