Sensible family daily wagon - Mercedes Benz S211 E500

Sensible family daily wagon - Mercedes Benz S211 E500

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bolidemichael

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Had I really appreciated this forum within Pistonheads, I may have spent the last ten+ years since joining as a member squatting in here! There are some bloody brilliant threads, with (all paraphrased) 'finally picking up LFA', '124 titivating' and 'SL600 V12' being amongst my favourites (I've only spent the last month or so reading these threads and have yet to discover others!).

Nevertheless, it makes me wish that I had started this thread at the same time that I purchased my most recent personal vehicle, one that I had been eyeing in the classifieds for quite some time; sometimes there is an itch that one must scratch and once you live with a V8 it's very hard to replicate the experience of power and relaxed cruising with another configuration (that is available within my limited budget, I'm sure).

After having sold my BMW E63 645Ci as, despite the large bonnet, front seat area and boot (three hookers), Bangle didn't design it with children and child seats in mind so it had to go. That was a damn shame but having said that, it just didn't really feel like a BMW (as per my E30 325i Sport), though it was a great tourer and a hoot on the Nordschleife with TC off!

In Skanderborg, Denmark:




The 645Ci ownership overlapped with the purchase of an £850 'beater'. A Volvo V70 2.4T (a five cylinder 2.4L turbo, to the unitiated as was I) which I picked up on the basis of an autotrader search for:

'<£1000, >5 seats, 0-60 <8 seconds, petrol, manual'

I ended up in Esher at a house with a gravel drive and a car with a full Volvo service history from new which smelled like damp dog. I have to say that it was so good I didn't miss the 645 at all. Incredible cars with supreme comfort and durability. I hadn't even considered Volvos as a brand prior to that purchase - the stereos in the SE model are fantastic too!

Bertha:


Incidentally, it was the above drive to Suffolk which strengthened my resolve to acquire, ideally, a V8 as I had been undertaken by a st in a BMW diesel thing on a dual carraigeway as he had been impatient and naffed off at my maintaining a reasonable distance from the car in front. Despite my best attempts to out-accelerate him and shut the door (as is my prerogative in MY LANE, I maintain), I couldn't, which just isn't cool. at. all. man.

That adventure ended when my son sat on the partially opened glass sunroof and it smashed - as the car was being loaded to go camping for the weekend!



and my eventual makeshift solution which I considered not bad given my inability to effectively forward plan and execute anything handy, despite my most earnest attempts:



Well, of course, man maths dictated that I start to look for a replacement... car, obviously!

Some of us more in tune with their mysticism like to recognise an opportunity when it arises and sometimes things happen for a reason. So following my brief digression, it brings us to the point where I decide to widen the search for a car that I just liked the look and sound of... an E class estate with a whopping five litre vee-eight. I decide to widen my search, with mainly involves searches on the excellent 'car and classic', 'autotrader' (to which I have an addiction/fetish) and of course, dear ol' reliable pistonheads classifieds with it's terrible search alerts... which always seem to cease working after a few days following activiation/re-activitation/deletion followed by a fresh search of the same terms... I re-selected the criteria for:

'MB>E Class>estate>over five litres<ten thousand pounds'

Now... though Pistonheads isn't a great tool for casual browsing for the infuriatingly inconsistent search alerts, it has proved its worth in the past as it was the medium through which my 645Ci was sold... so I ticked the box in anticipation. I received an alert within 24 hours [insert appropriate jaw open meme here]. Anyone who has hunted these cars may testify that there simply aren't that many in number and that they don't come up too often either, so my belief in man maths and the unfathomable workings of the space/time continuum proved prescient.

The advert was as follows:













I forgot to add, that in addition to the man maths and star trek theories, I had also been training for a number of months in order to participate in and complete the inaugural Velo Birmingham - a one hundred mile cycle to Birmingham, Staffordshire and Worcestershire. I didn't want to take the bike apart and go in the wife's A2, despite the extremely tardis-like nature of the loading configuration and didn't want a roof rack either (what a faff), so I had additional motivation to secure a vehicle.

Well, they say 'buy the seller first', and Matt was a good chap and straightforward. The most reassuring thing to see was that he had invested in getting the car through a point in its life where most owners would have scrimped on the repairs. This chap stuck with a specialist MB indy and invested in genuine MD parts where necessary, to the tune of £6,500 over three years... at least. The big-ticket items included a 2015 service with sixteen new spark plugs, two front struts failing within a few months of each other and the SBC pump which has a limited cycle of around 400,000 applications of the brake pedal before simply expiring. The test drive was nice, no dodginess from the gearbox, air con worked and no unusual noises, apart from the rather 'vocal' exhaust which I didn't really dwell on as I was wearing my rose-tinted ear muffs...

On the downside, there were a few broken bits and bobs - switchgear, handles etc and the car interior clearly lived up/down to the 'shed' moniker - as advertised! Nevertheless the car appeared as honest as the seller and I took a little test drive then sat on it for a few days. Impulse is one of my indulgences, as is procrastination. I live in SW20 and since the vehicle was located just down the road in Surbiton, I indulged in the latter for a few days before being nudged by Matt and making my way over to enjoy a coffee with frothy milk and a bit of horse-trading. We shook hands on a deal which involved a reduced asking price, in exchange for a same-day transaction and a re-assignment of the personalised number plate for him to generate his own additional revenue (I presume). He then invited me to drive us in the E500 the bank in Surbiton where cash was duly withdrawn and palms suitably greased.

My first task was not to clean the interior, but to take a short pilgrimage to order a replacement key. I was asked to kindly bugger off and return with the V5C in my name... data protection bds.





Nevertheless, I took the opportunity to ponder some suitable paraphernalia for the soon-to-be-ordered second key, which I feel wasn't really targetted at me. Still, equality and all that. Fnarr:



I settled on this, being a little more honest and more importantly, having been reduced to a fiver as it was the last of its kind:



Just look at that beaming face, yours truly loves a throbbing V8! On this occassion I drove it to my friend's house with whom we have a long tradition of turning up in our newly acquired vehicles. He had just swapped his 53 plate ML500 with the same M113 engine for a Mitsubishi PHEV.



I've got to say, that I still get a kick from seeing this badge six months later:



The vehicle had covered 114k when I picked up the E500. I'll be retracing my steps slowly through this thread until I eventually catch up to the present day. That's the plan for now, but I may not stick to my own timeline! This post has already taken over an hour, so it'll be a labour of love, for sure!

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Edited by bolidemichael on Saturday 13th October 21:39


Edited by bolidemichael on Wednesday 9th August 14:15

bolidemichael

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For the legions of admirers that had yet to consider the purchase pricing of the vehicle, it was advertised as such:



Having studied the invoices that had been provided to me under the seller's stewardship, he had experienced a year of large outlay and I figured that in offering him the same amount would likely to be accepted as a reasonable offer. In addition to that, he had taken delivery of a spanker C350h which looked gleaming, charging on the driveway, whilst the S211 was cast away to a side road, looking lonely and, well, shed-like, as advertised!

Additionally, this is a car that simply does not attract too much interest and he knew that he was onto a good buyer - local and with strong interest, so it was quite an easy conversation. In the end we settled on £3,000 +/- £100 and in addition he remunerated me the fee for the transfer of the private plate as agreed. It was quite a nice experience really and I have to say that the light interior is something that I really appreciate as the feeling of space is fantastic in a voluminous estate.

So, £3,000ish pounds lighter, I drove away (rather loudly hmmm) in an originally-upwards-of-£60k avantgarde spec E500!

bolidemichael

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r129sl said:
These are truly under-appreciated cars. The engine is great. 306bhp is a lot, even today, but what it belies is the massive torque plateau from about 2,000rpm through to 4,000rpm. In real world use, I bet this car is very fast. The engines also just don't break, they seem to last forever, a few oil weeps aside.

Keep up the thread. We do read and enjoy them. And I have taken a great deal of solace from the pre-camping trip sunroof disaster. I thought that kind of thing only happened to me.
As the 'unfolding' of this tale is partly retrospective, I have yet to indulge in interspersing tales of my travels with my de rigeur approach to covering ground - rapidly.

I think that you'll find that we share a few common foibles - liberal application of the throttle being one, a healthy(!) attention to detail being another (though mine is tempered by my spend-now-worry-later legacy of restricted finances) and an over-committed and under-skilled approach to home repairs being another (though my limits are far below the work that you have taken upon yourself) - in this respect, my specialist skill is focused on the snapping of random bits of trim in the quest for instant titivation - followed by a bout of self loathing and fearsome disinterest in titivation. Ho hum.

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bolidemichael

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Jimmy Recard said:
Very nice car OP. Also I sniggered at how they labelled that key ring hehe
Fnarr

bolidemichael

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Mr E said:
I aprrove hugely, having ended up with similar. Ours is called Angela.
My wife named ours 'Magnus', which I thought suited it quite well, so Magnus it is! An obligatory arty shot during the honeymoon period:



EDIT: Mr E, you have an S212 E500. Now that's surely a unicorn &#129412;!

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bolidemichael

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Mr E said:
Certainly very unusual. I don’t think they made many 212 500’s, and even fewer were W212 estates.

When I was looking, there were 2 petrol W212s in the country for sale.

I’m telling myself that the rarity and “last of the n/a V8’s” mean that it will hold some value.
No, I don’t believe it either.
I believe that I have only ever seen two for sale, though my searches are capped at £20k. One memorable one was with 20k miles, £19,999 inc VAT and seven seats. Sky blue and a white interior. This was in 2016. Why didn't you choose to upgrade from the 211 in your bio to the 212?

bolidemichael

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I should have added that the seller had given me the number of Colin Ferns so that I could speak with them about the car. The Eastern European chap to whom I spoke in the absence of Colin gave a clean-ish bill of health with a few notes on oil weeping from cam covers and rear brake levels.

Additionally, a prerequisite for a five litre V8 was the inclusion of a third row of seats, which proved invaluable in the V70. I had fond memories myself too of the kiddie seats in a Montego Countryman.

bolidemichael

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Mr E said:
bolidemichael said:
Why didn't you choose to upgrade from the 211 in your bio to the 212?
Which 211 in my bio?
My confusion. I blame my bald patch.

bolidemichael

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blueb10 said:
Hi op;
Very interested to read about your E500 estate, I am presently on the look out for one of these but they really are as rare as can be. Not one for sale anywhere for the last few weeks.
Do you have a spec list in mind?

bolidemichael

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tobinen said:
Excellent value. I look forward to updates
I really (with emphasis) like the CL. I loved my 380SEC, the windowless coupe is a beautiful driving experience.

bolidemichael

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CharlesdeGaulle said:
I really like these - this is a nice purchase and I look forward to more tales.
There is something about it...

bolidemichael

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So as planned (mostly the alignment of the stars), the bicycle went into the back and I set off on a reasonable distance familiarisation drive to Birmingham. The experience was great on the M40, explosive and lots of grunt when needed. The auto box 7G (gears) was nice too with the manual change function very useful too. During eighteen months or so of five cylinder turbo ownership, I was initially under-utilising the engine braking in order to make smooth progress, so I found myself over-braking with the weight of the car behind me, until I figured out the balance of gearing.

It's obviously not by any means the fastest car out there, but the ease with which a large capacity V8 diminishes distances feels as though I am in possession of a cheat code on the motorway. I remember looking these up in C+VG (computer and video games) mag when I was a youngster, I prefer my new megadrive on wheels!

We have some relatives in Walsall that I had met for the first time a few months prior and they invited us to stay with them, which was very nice. I imagine that the accommodation rates for Birmingham during this huge events with closed roads would have been ginormous, so I would have happily settled for a spare bed, or an air bed.

I was instead greeted by Scarface's pad... there is a bloody eagle on the gate ffs:





(Link to a video) This is the driveway...



Anyway, the cycle was enjoyable with very pleasant weather in the Indian summer that we enjoyed (now that was a long time ago, especially after today's rainy and dismal Good Friday!):





I've got to admit, the aero position looks laughable, but the streamlining of one's torso adds so much speed downhill!



And after the longest cycle I have ever completed, we jumped in the car (once I had found the bloody car park on zero battery, and drove back to London.

bolidemichael

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Nevertheless, the ride had still been bothering me, as it just wasn't comfortable. It certainly didn't ride as well as my V70, nor my SEC and yet Magnus has air suspension, with both front struts having covered less than a couple of thousand miles each.

I remember how great the SEC was for comfort and waftability on the motorways (not to mention the presence!) and it had huge sidewalls on those tyres... I suspected that the 'AMG style' non-OEM alloys weren't quite right... so I had a browse through the original spec of the car and saw that it was originally equipped with 17" wheels. A bit of further digging revealed that it was specced up with optional 18" from subsequent model years, so I had a couple of options.

2003 MERCEDES-BENZ E 500 (211.270)
General Data FIN WDB2112702A434458
Model E 500 Engine 113967 30 541857
Transmission 722901 00 007817 Order Number 0 3 537 00364
Order Location GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND
Interior AMARETTA/LEATHER/NAPPA/SEMI-ANILINE - GRAY (838A)
Paint 1 OBSIDIAN BLACK (197U)
Release Date 2003-10-22
Delivery Date 2003-11-18

Code Description
003 MANUAL DATE-CONTROLLED VEHICLE
05N STEUERCODE WERK SINDELFINGEN/GRAZ
103 CONTROL PRODUCTION TEST 3
197U OBSIDIAN BLACK
205B OWNERS MANUAL AND SERVICE RECORD - ENGLISH
213 SPEED-SENSITIVE POWER STEERING/VARIO STEERING
220 PARKTRONIC SYSTEM (PTS)
221B SIGN COOLANT/REFUELING - ENGLISH
241 FRONT SEAT LH ELECTRIC ADJUSTABLE WITH MEMORY
249 INSIDE AND OUTSIDE MIRROR AUTOMATIC DIMMING
250B MOBILO LIFE/EUROPE SERVICE PACKAGE
275 MEMORY PACKAGE (DRIVER SEAT, STRG. COL., MIRROR)
280 LEATHER STEERING WHEEL AND LEATHER GEAR SHIFT KNOB
287 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE
354 ANTENNA FOR TELEPHONE D/E-NET
380 COMPLETE CELL PHONE PREINSTALLATION
414 ELECTRIC TILT/SLIDE SUNROOF IN GLASS VERSION
427 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 7-SPEED
461 INSTRUMENT WITH MILES IND. AND ENGLISH LEGEND
489 AIRMATIC DUAL CONTROL / AIR SUSPENSION SEMI-ACTIVE
500 OUTSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR LH AND RH FOLDING
527 COMAND DVD APS WITH NAVIGATION
537L GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND
543 SUN VISOR WITH MAKE-UP MIRROR L. AND R., BE
551 ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
581 AUTOMATIC CLIMATE CONTROL 5XXL EUROPE 600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
618 BI-XENON HEADLAMPS FOR LEFT-HAND TRAFFIC
633 LA 17" 5 SPOKE DESIGN WITH WIDE TIRES
668 PRODUCT PROT.F.TRANSPORT VEH. W/ TIE-DOWN HOOKS
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
690 EMERGENCY SPARE TIRE (MINI SPARE)
804 YEAR OF MODIFICATION
819 CD CHANGER
838A AMARETTA/LEATHER/NAPPA/SEMI-ANILINE - GRAY
844 FOLDING BENCH SEAT IN CARGO AREA INCL. 2 AUTO
873 SEAT HEATER FOR LEFT AND RIGHT FRONT SEATS
882 INTERIOR SAFEGUARD
890 AUTOMATIC REAR-END DOOR
910 DYNAMO WITH HIGHER CAPACITY (FFO)
915 FUEL TANK WITH LARGER CAPACITY
926 EXHAUST GAS CLEANING WITH EURO 4 TECHNOLOGY
942 LOAD COMPARTMENT PACKAGE
954 EQUIPMENT PACKAGE FOR AVANTGARDE VEHICLES
984 COC DOC., DELETION OF VEHICLE REGISTRATION DOC.
989 IDENTIFICATION LABEL UNDER WINDSHIELD F211 SERIES PRODUCTION
211 FS COMBI - VEHICLE G901 TRANSMISSION CODE VERSION 01 GA AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION HA REAR AXLE
M113 V8-GASOLINE ENGINE M113
M50 DISPLACEMENT 5.0 LITER
R RIGHT-HAND STEERING
U16 STOWAGE TANK BEHIND REAR SEAT BACKREST
VL FRONT AXLE HALF, LEFT
VR FRONT AXLE HALF, RIGHT

633 - LA Spoke Design 17" is quite an honest looking wheel which adds to the unfussy 'sleeper' element of the car, which is quite cool. My research told me that it looks like this:



Which actually came off a local S211 E500 (there are an additional two that I have seen in the Wimbledon area)!


bolidemichael

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We played around with the DVD player in the car which is bloody irritating as the screen obscures over 7kph which is around 1kph above the cruise speed on the auto box, making the morning school run a massive tease for the boy!




bolidemichael

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The width of the car has proven just right for some artwork for the new house though:



Here's a nice piece that would have been a stretch too far however:



and I started to make a list of the items that peeved me:



and of course, no car of mine ever escapes the perennial occurrence of the momentary oversights that accompany a distracted mind. This was caused by leaving the seatbelt tucked into the clip and dropping the rear seat for loading. Such a simple little clip and such an irritatation:



Here is the other side, still intact:



Followed by a combination of silly circumstances that led me to reverse into a ridiculously low metal barrier 'thing' in a Waitrose car park:


bolidemichael

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Still, in the perpetual oscillation of the 'one-step-forwards-two-steps-back' approach to my car 'uplifting', I managed to located the lens cover to the 'puddle light' on the driver's side which had been broken at some stage:



and began to tackled the clouded headlight lenses with a Meguair's headlamp restorer kit from Halfords:



However, I encountered an issue with the sat nav that I purchased from 'Rusty' from whom the BMW dvds that I previously purchased were fine, and this happened after around forty minutes of running:



I also got a trick cup holder, but annoyingly it has been designed for LHD cars and they didn't bother re-designing it for RHD, so it essentially impedes operation of the gearknob and the suspension controls

Oh, and here's a vicious little dink that I inherited with the car:


bolidemichael

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What a hoot @mr e!

What size are those bad boys and what brand/model?

bolidemichael

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Those are massive, though yes, smugly satisfying indeed!

I have found (though my anachronistic thread has yet to catch up with 2018, let alone current date) the 17" OEMs to offer a surprisingly nibble footed experience to the 211 chassis.

Perhaps it's just because I'm happy to fling a car about and having never driven a Caterham or suchlike, am used to what I have!

bolidemichael

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October came time to say goodbye to Bertha, our faithful V70 which re-invigorated my satisfaction in bangernomics and had seen us to Europe and over the UK. She had enjoyed a replacement sunroof sourced at a reasonable price from an ebay seller.



So I bit the bullet and opted for a set of reconditioned alloys in the 17" variant instead of 18". The advice from both my Merc specialist pal and my tyre man, was that 18" are prone to cracking. I also know that the larger profile tyres are more conducive to comfort and additionally from my Mini owning days, that small wheels are better for nimble handling! So all in all, I ended with a style of alloy that met my wife's approval and didn't label my car as an old man's!



I also popped into an exhausts specialist dealing in Powerflow and he had a look underneath the car and told me that I have a 57mm/inch/whatever diameter tubes and replacement boxes by... Powerflow. That explains why I have such a drone inside the car that is very invasive from low revs circa 1100rpm.




bolidemichael

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r129sl said:
Those wheels are the ones to have on an AG 211 like yours, very handsome indeed. I love these threads about interesting cars that actually get used in the real world. I liked the fish, too. You can invest/spend/waste a lot of money on pictures, boy do I know that.
Does AG stand for 'affalterbach'? Unlikely but a lot of acronyms on here puzzle me. There is another 'FIMA' or suchlike which irritates me to high heaven as I cannot get it!