I bought a tow-car! 2003 Grand Cherokee CRD

I bought a tow-car! 2003 Grand Cherokee CRD

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seiben

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Tuesday 6th November 2018
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This might be a short-lived RR thread, given it’s not exactly standard PH fodder, but given my watch-list has everything from a 1.0 Citroen AX to a 1924 Bentley 3 litre I figured there’s a following out there for everything. Right? hehe

Around this time last year, having recently swapped out my trusty Impreza for a (then) less-trusty E39 M5, having a spare car to rock round in seemed a wise idea. I found a lovely, naily old Volvo V70 that I bought as a winter hack and found myself keeping – along with the M5, my OH drives an Alfa so inevitably the third car became something of a necessity wink

This has done us very well for the last year or so, but I’ve always been conscious on relying on a friend of mine to perform tow duties for our shared sprint car and I’ve finally got my arse in gear and taken my B+E test. What followed was a few weeks of eBay browsing, review reading and general procrastination in an area I really knew nothing about – tow cars! Working as I was with a limited budget, I had a few criteria to start with…

  • Not completely agricultural (I’ve tried a 90’s Pajero, it’s not for me)
  • Sub £2k
  • Will tow our 2300kg-rated trailer (actual weight around 1800kg) without dropping to a crawling pace every time we reach a hill
  • Comfy enough as a winter daily the OH is happy to drive
  • Not too many horrendous scare stories about reliability (tricky in this sector!)
A lot of potentials were ruled out based on the above (X5, XC90, various Discos, pickups, even later Shoguns had a suspicious number of ‘spares or repairs ads). I’m not convinced my final choice will be much better, but we’ll see how that turns out!

I wasn’t fussed about petrol or diesel – the additional potential repair costs of one are likely to offset the fuel consumption of the other – so whittled down a set of potential candidates and got cracking. Eventually I plucked up the courage to throw a bid on a 2003 CRD WJ down in Dover – an OK ad, decent MOT history but poor photographs, it was a bit of a punt at 130k miles . A long few days followed as the auction counted down, and – amazingly? predictably? – no one else bid!

A few days later I was on the train down to meet my buddy Pete who took me down to assess what my 1500 quid had actually bought me. I was relieved to find a car in much better condition than the pics suggested – and a bit of investigation shows it’s had a new alternator, HP fuel pump, injectors cleaned, new battery, some light suspension work, glow plugs and a comprehensive set of stamps in the service book. It also looks to have had a replacement turbo in the not-too-distant past. It has already been used as a tow-car (a good thing in my eyes, it’s used to it!) and was only being sold as the owner had bought some behemoth of a horse trailer that required a V10 Toureg to tow biggrin

So we headed on our way, and got back to Pete’s for a decent look around. First impressions are that it’s very gold, and very American! Great big squishy seats, fake wood, chunky controls and two giant cupholders in the centre console. Drives as well as can be expected for a 2-and-a-bit-ton truck – the engine has a nice slug of torque, the gearbox is smooth, brakes nice and firm and steering predictably vague hehe





Next up was to give it a good test with the trailer to see how it copes. We had a good hour-lung trundle around taking in a mix of steep hills and motorway work to put the old bus through its paces, and I’m pleased to report it tows beautifully. Won’t be rushed up the steeper hills, but it’ll plod along at 60mph on the motorway and you’d be forgiven for forgetting the trailer is there!





Satisfied, we turned our attention to sorting the track car out in preparation for an outing at Donington next weekend, then I reset the OBC and headed home.



I wasn’t expecting that from the 130-mile trip back! (and yes I know it’s probably not accurate)

So, what needs doing? There’s a very minor oil leak coming from somewhere and dripping off the sump. One of the rear tyres is knackered (getting replaced as a pair tomorrow to match the Goodyear Wranglers on the front), and I briefly had what looked like a diesel drip coming from the engine bay that I haven’t been able to spot or replicate since…

With any luck we’ll be using this to haul the trailer up to Donington on Saturday, so I’ll be interested to see how it does. It’s oddly refreshing to drive something so big, tall and lazy so I imagine I’ll be putting a few miles on it over winter as well!

seiben

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If you're anywhere near Surrey, I'll happily recommend a towing instructor smile

I had a 4-hour course, passed my test (clean sheet, no less!) and was home for a late lunch biggrin

Edited by seiben on Tuesday 6th November 19:36

seiben

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Tuesday 6th November 2018
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Yep, 5 pot Merc engine.

EDC - you're not wrong about the seats hehe

seiben

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Wednesday 7th November 2018
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Thanks Dave - the door wiring looms and blender doors have already been done. I might order up a couple of spare window mechs just in case...!

seiben

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Wednesday 7th November 2018
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gman88667733 said:
Any interior pictures? I've sat in one of these before and the seats were probably the most comfy seats I have ever sat in! When the time comes to swap our Kia Sorento, I'd be very tempted by one of these.
I've heard a few things about them not being very reliable, but I'd assume any big 4x4 of that age will needs bits and bobs doing to it from time to time...

I'd be interested in a full tank mpg reading, as our Sorento gets up about 25-27mpg on reasonably short runs (automatic version)
Thanks - yes, the seats are like giant squishy armchairs! I was worried about long-term comfort as they don't feel very supportive, but I was fine after a 2-3 hour drive home. No pics of the interior yet, I'll try and grab some when it's not dark.

I'll try and do an MPG calculation when I fill it up. OBC is saying somewhere in the high 30s now I've used it to commute for a few days, which would give a useful 500-mile range for a tank of diesel.

seiben

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Wednesday 7th November 2018
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OBC is a little optimistic hehe

I’ve just filled up, so...

375 miles
58.2 litres (£78.51 @ 1.349)
= 29.2MPG

I still had a third of a tank left on the gauge, but it’ll be towing this weekend so wanted to fill it up before-hand.

I might go and check for leaks again hehe

ETA: couple of other jobs done today. The mismatched rear tyres have been swapped with a pair of Goodyear Wrangler HPs to match the existing fronts. I’ve also got rid of the stupid American flat door mirror glass in favour of a convex unit, so I can actually see what’s behind and to the side of me...

Edited by seiben on Wednesday 7th November 21:07

seiben

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Wednesday 7th November 2018
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gman88667733 said:
29mpg from a big auto 4x4 is not too shabby! The best we have achieved is 30mpg on a long run
Yeah, it’s about what I expected. I’ll be interested to see how it performs this weekend! I’ll endeavour to take some interior pics while I’m at it smile

seiben

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Monday 19th November 2018
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Bit later than intended, but the Jeep has done some sterling service so far. First up was our track-day at Donington a week or so back – Pete had already brought the trailer and track car up from Kent, but we swapped over to the Jeep and set off from Oxford on a cold, wet Friday evening having loaded it up with spares, wheels, tools and all other general detritus needed. It took everything in its stride, bar a tendency to tramline a tad (although, weirdly, it’s more prone to this when not towing), so I made a note to have a closer look at the steering play I’d previously noticed.

The obligatory “all the spaces at the Premier Inn” shot:



And one of the track car, just because biggrin



Overall I was very happy with it. It did around 200 miles of towing, and I still got over 400 miles from the tank when I came to fill it up!

A bit of research suggested a few potential areas to investigate with the wandering steering. The most obvious place to start was with the steering play – they’re an old fashioned steering box, and there was around an inch of play at the steering wheel which didn’t help when trying to keep it in a straight line. I’ve also picked up a replacement steering damper (for a whopping £29) as the one on the car looks original.

As you’d expect there’s a plethora of online content for these things, most of it US-based, so it was easy enough to find a helpful YouTube tutorial on taking out some of the slack. Fortunately it’s pretty straightforward (although it took longer than I’d care to admit to work out the retaining nut and adjuster are left-hand threads, which seems to vary from model to model confused ), so after cracking off the retaining nut and screwing in the adjuster half a turn the steering is nice and tight. I’ve left about a quarter-inch play at the wheel as I don’t want to over-tighten the box, and a quick test-drive showed a vast improvement. It still wants to follow the road a bit (I’m hoping the steering damper will help with this when I change it, along with an alignment) but reducing the steering play means it’s much easier to keep it on track. Unfortunately I’ve also noticed the inevitable oil leak dripping off the sump, so I need to work out where that’s coming from.

Terrible pic of the top of the steering box:



…and a few pics of the interior as previously requested (ignore all the straps!):









seiben

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Monday 10th December 2018
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Well we’re a month in, and everything is largely as you’d expect in cheap Jeep world – that is to say, stuff is broken headache

First up – remember that steering play? All was well (or at least, less bad) for a while, until the power steering abruptly stopped working one morning half a mile from my house. With no time to investigate, I man-handled it home, abandoned it on the side of the road and jumped in the M5 instead. Later investigation revealed a fairly obvious problem…



Yep, that’s the (frankly enormous) serpentine belt. Why’s it hanging under the front of the car, I hear you ask? Well, it’s possible that someone might have over-tightened the steering box a tad, meaning the P/S pump was working overtime, and the belt slipped, and…. You get the picture. So I’ve backed off the steering box, got the front up in the air to make sure it all moves freely (yes, yes, I should’ve done that before…) and spent a glorious hour or so trying to get the bd belt back on!

Still, all back together and happy trucking, for a while…

I used it to transport me up to Cadwell Park for a trackday a couple of weeks later, and on the way home noticed my MPG reading was dropping every time I got onto a motorway/dual carriageway stretch, before gradually increasing as I cruised along. Putting it down to a foible of the useless American OBC I largely ignored it, until yesterday – heading home from our annual Christmas-tree collection, I was greeted with the unmistakeable smell of burning brakes. Yep, the driver’s side caliper is seized on. Brilliant.

It now sits. Lurks. Mocking me from afar….



And yes, there’s still play in the steering. The alignment is spot on which means there’s something else causing it’s unwillingness to go in a straight line – either play somewhere (not evident, according to the indy who did the alignment check), or it needs a new steering box. Brilliant.

fking piece of st hehe

seiben

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gman88667733 said:
For £1500, I still think that isn't bad. As long as it doesn't cost a fortune to fix these bits, then it is still fairly cheap motoring!
Oh, I agree. I think I was spoilt by my 400 quid Volvo that didn't put a foot wrong in a year!

InitialDave said:
Seized caliper is an interesting one, I believe the earlier cars suffered badly for it, but a change in caliper design resolved the issue - and I'm pretty sure my 52 plate had the later caliper.
Yeah, brief research has told me as much. I'll take a look this and see which calipers I have, before making a call on a refurb kit or total replacement.

seiben

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Tuesday 11th December 2018
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Well it appears I have the later calipers, so I've gone for a refurb kit for both sides including steel pistons (the standards are apparently ceramic!) and new pads. Should be a fun learning experience this weekend biggrin

seiben

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Wednesday 23rd January 2019
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RicksAlfas said:
seiben said:
the standards are apparently ceramic!
Is that so they don't seize?! biggrin
Good luck with it. I don't envy you that job.
Brake saga update:
The calipers were fked. Really fked. I chickened out of doing the job myself so took it to A Man who proclaimed them to be fked after the old pistons resolutely failed to come out, even with a lot of persuasion.

So, new discs, pads and calipers at the front were fitted, fortunately just in time for me to not have to drive the M5 in the [Daily Mail] SNOW CHAOS!!!1!!1!! [/Daily Mail] hehe

seiben

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Wednesday 23rd January 2019
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That looks good! I did have a 4.0 lined up if this one didn't come off, it really was a toss-up between MPG and potential diesel borkage costs. How do you find it, power-wise? In the end I just bought the first one that came along that was cheap, and it tugs the trailer along well enough. MPG has significantly improved now the brakes aren't dragging, which is nice.

Mine has apparently had the blend doors done, but I'm not sure how well given that the footwells don't get warm. I've also got a blown speaker in the dash to replace. I could forgive it many things yesterday, mind, while I was sailing around the traffic on deserted snowy back-roads biggrin

seiben

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Friday 22nd March 2019
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I'm about 5k miles in with the Jeep now - it's been performing daily duties while my rusty old beemer is being welded back together - so we're probably due a little update.

I replaced the dash speakers after ordering them from a company in the US (there don't seem to be any aftermarket units that fit), and that has improved the stereo no end. More recently I've also had the front control arms and diff bushes replaced, which has made a massive difference - as Iv'e mentioned, it really suffered with tramlining before, to the point where driving it on the motorway for any length of time was a feat of concentration keeping it in a straight line. This has been the single biggest improvement to the car to date, i reckon (well, aside from replacing the seized brakes....)

Also managed another stint as tow-car when we took the RX8 to Brands Hatch (including the bloody great hill on the way up there!) without any bother:





I reckon I'm about £2500 in at this point (including purchase price and labour costs). Looking around at what else is out there for that sort of money, I'm not too displeased with that. Although I am certainly missing the M5 hehe


seiben

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Thursday 18th April 2019
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Good question. All I can say, from experience, is that it's not as big inside as a 2001 Volvo V70 (but then, not much is!).

I'll try to remember to get the tape measure out for you over the weekend thumbup

seiben

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Monday 20th May 2019
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Gave it its first wash in the 8 months I've owned it yesterday. The colour really hides the muck well!

Before:



After:



Can't help feeling it wasn't really worth the effort hehe


Also, my apologies to Simon for completely forgetting to measure the space in the back. If it's still useful, here you go...





Those headrests are attached, so I don't think you can remove them easily. From the headrest to the boot sill the length is 163cm (5'4"), although you get another foot or so if you pile stuff on top of the headrests. The boot opening is 120cm (3'11") wide.

seiben

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Tuesday 21st May 2019
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Jimmy Recard said:
Interesting to read your thread because last year I was looking for a tow car and basically settled on a WJ CRD, then an ML270 CDI with the same engine popped up and it was the perfect car for my needs at the perfect time, so I went for that and love it.

It shows me what I'm missing out on! Interesting to compare the two popular DaimlerChrysler luxury SUVs of the era
Sounds like you pretty much went through the same thought process as me! It really came down to right car, right time as you say. I do sometimes wonder if an ML270 would have been a better bet, but they both have their foibles hehe

seiben

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Tuesday 21st May 2019
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Evo said:
Great read and you seem to have done precisely what i'm looking at currently. I have been threatening to finally get my track build 924S "on track" and decided that driving it to and from an event wont work as either me or the car will break at some point.

I've been looking at a couple of ends £4-5k or just take a punt on something really cheap and came to the conclusion that the Grand Cherokee shape you've bought is about as good as it gets for the cheap end without buying super old jap stuff that probably has dust for a rear subframe including Disco 2's or an ML which just rusts everywhere but has a decent engine ( injectors aside ) which is also in your car.

Perfect choice btw, the seats look perfect for a long journey and it's not easy finding a budget 4x4 capable of safely towing 1800kg+

I ruled out a later 3.0CRD Cherokee as the interior is just too plasticky for me and i think your Grand Cherokee looks a much nicer place to sit.

I've decided to go for a facelift E53 3.0D Sport on the basis i can fix most of the things that pop up in a "what goes wrong" search, my wife has a new Range Rover but i have been very clearly told it wont be towing anything smile and to get my own tow car.

Do you own your own trailer or are you weekend hiring?
Thanks, appreciate that smile

I did look at X5s, but it seemed that all in my budget already had a healthy number of pre existing problems that I didn't really want to deal with. It would have been a nicer drive though, I have no doubt!

It is surprisingly comfy on a long haul and cruises well. Just as well, really, as it's taking us to Anglesey in a couple of weeks!

The trailer is owned by my RX8 co-owning buddy. I'll most likely get my own when I have space for one.

seiben

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Thursday 25th July 2019
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The old Jeep has certainly been earning its keep of late! The end of May saw it tugging the RX8 on a 500-and-something mile round trip to Anglesey for a sprint double-header in the Javelin and Japanese series. I’m constantly impressed with how comfortable it is for such a long haul, which took 7 hours out (traffic!) and 5 hours back – it took two of us, all of our assorted gear, tools, a spare set of wheels and of course the trailer and enough road trip snacks to feed a medium-sized F1 team.



Back to normality, and it’s been nursing a sporadic incontinence problem for a while along with reluctance to start from cold, and an occasional “there’s something in the diesel filter that I’m not sure about” warning light. In a fit of personal organisation I moved house the day after we returned from Anglesey, and the morning of a move is hardly the ideal time for a car that’s loaded to the gunwales to not work properly. So when it stalled the moment I put it into Drive I wasn’t too pleased!

Cue lots of spinning on the motor, and an ever increasing puddle of diesel under the car before it finally grumbled into life and we toddled off to the new house. With plenty else to keep me occupied it sat here for a couple of weeks before I eventually got it looked at, and it was diagnosed as needing a replacement high-pressure fuel pump – essentially the pump piston ovals over time causing an ever increasing leak, and while you can chase replacement seals around for a while (which has happened here, as the paperwork indicated the pump was ‘rebuilt’ about a year ago) sooner or later it’ll need replacing.

So, one badly timed bill for about a third of the car’s original cost later, and we’re back in business. I try not to think about the amount of petrol I could have bought instead had I just bought the V8 in the first place hehe

Can’t complain though. It has been certainly earning its keep recently along with the Gumtree special trailer – multiple tip runs, furniture collection, a whole lead of fencing, and generally fulfilling its brief as a ‘throw anything at it and in it’ work horse.



Oh, and the aircon works, which is more than I can say for the Beemer! It's been bloody lovely the last couple of days smile

seiben

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Friday 26th July 2019
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Hijack away! You've done well there smile

It appears my general smugness yesterday was a tad premature - the side, tail ad number-plate lights have stopped working confusedsmash