Alfa Romeo 33 1.7 Cloverleaf

Alfa Romeo 33 1.7 Cloverleaf

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Spinakerr

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Sunday 14th July 2019
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"I'm probably going to scrap the 33. I've got too much to take care of and it's annoying the neighbours."

"What?!?? Why? What's wrong with it?"

"Nuffing. It's just annoying me."

So went my exchange with Phil of Alfacraft, my long-term Alfa sage, during a recent visit in my 164. The 33 had been part of the scenery pretty much the entire time I'd known him, a 33 Cloverleaf in champagne gold taken as part payment for some serious work on another customer's fleet, and used as an occasional runaround.



The street on which it is stored is residential and the residents have never been thrilled with the expanding collection of Italian machinery over the years. As an incomporable library of Alfa lore he has changed the cambelts and anything else mechanically off, but never kept it shiny. He was recently caught as the tax ran out on this one, and the street has major building works underway. It's days were numbered, one way or another.

But this is a 1.7 carb'd boxer! The first facelift Quadrafoglio Verde, in gold! I did what any petrolhead would do - check HowManyLeft.com. A handful of survivors. Goodness.



He knew full well how would react to the 's' word in regards to an old Alfa, and so he's hoodwinked me into taking care of it for a bit, and perhaps find the right owner. Which might be me. But not until he unearths a V5. Probably.

The plan is to blow out the cobwebs, give it a good run and take it to the Festival of The Unexceptional on the 20th July for a picnic and then get in contact with 33-minded people who can give it the love and attention it needs.

But first, it needed a jump.

Walk of shame, PH style:



Key works, choke works (yes, a choke), clutch down after a little charge time...





Cranking was long and firing intermittent, and finally ignoring the handbook I have the accelerator a small tap - success! A dozen legged insects dashed for the exit as the raspy boxer tinged, popped and zinged itself to life. Leaves fluttered, spiderwebs tore, and I nudged it to the nearest petrol station as the needle was almost scraping the road. I swear I could hear the cheers and applause from the residents in the street too.

Remember:



No leaks on the drive home, a solid whiff of unburnt petrol though and an engine that is so eager to rev and make a racket it induces near delirious giggles with each start.

Once home I gave it a solid hose and brushing, removing the expected layers of moss in the window rubbers, sedimentary London dirt on any flat surface and purged corpses of insects past.







Further inspection today, but for now here are some tiny Alfa details that you won't see on any 3 paragraph description of this model.







I don't need this car, right?



Spinakerr

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Thursday 18th July 2019
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Seems the 33 has good dose of PH history! Thanks for all the replies and notes of support, this one is definitely going to be a survivor.

Thanks also for the PMs on potential homes - I have logged them all in order!

shouldbworking said:
Awesome. If its anything like the series 3 cars the fuel light will come on sporadically anytime you fall below half a tank.

Better get those cambelts done though!

Edit oh, done already. That's an absolute result!
Yes belts done - Phil may be cantankerous but he is fastidious! Fuel light came on when on roundabouts so far.

V1nce Fox said:
Bravo! Scrapping that would be a bloody crime.

More pics and details please. Is it RWD?
Not on my watch! More to follow below. FWD as Sud intended.

Andy665 said:
My dad had one in red from new as a company car, bought from Mangoletsi, sales man was Fraser Hudson who is now their MD I believe

Torque steered like crazy but was so much fun to drive

Remember the clutch went pop at 13k miles, when investigated if transpired that the factory had fitted a 1.5 clutch - the joys of Alfa!!!

Apart from that, over 2 years and 40k miles it was 100% fault free
That's a splendid factory fit story - and you must be an Alfa convert to say "apart from the clutch failing as it was the wrong one from the factory, 100% fault free". Love it.

S100HP said:
I like the cut of your jib sir.
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MJK 24 said:
Brilliant.

I would be interested if it’s not rotten. My profile will show previous flat four experience.
Only hol I found was above the rear number plate, everything else is surprisingly solid.

abzmike said:
I had two 33s back in the day... both 1.5s rather than 1.7s unfortunately. Both were utterly reliable (apart from a brake pad that disintegrated on the way to Edinburgh and made a scraping racket for 400 miles). Great fun, and I still very fondly remember the wonderful wooden steering wheel in the second one. Happy days. Hope you find someone worthy to take this lovely vehicle on.
Good stuff, I appreciate the 1.5 is a different animal given all these replies but I can't be choosy! The steering wheel here is a special kind faded grey leather. Looks smart with the gold, but the horn is spezzato.

davebem said:
Nice peice of Alfa history, were the wind deflectors standard fit on the QF? The dashboard air vents look identical to whats in a Ferrari F40!
Yes, they were according to Alfapedia. Will part out the vents to cover petrol costs.

TCEvo said:
Love that. Aside from Auto Italia can't remember last time I saw one.
There are some Sportwagons that frequent Alfa gatherings, but they're in showroom condition and owner tend to have Alfa t shirts, jackets, caps, umbrellas etc etc and so sneer at anything less. Auto Italia is far more normal (aside from the Lambo club), and I have seen a fair few there over the years.

Nincompoop said:
Happy days! I used to own a 1.7 Sportwagon - it found its way to me after my second Thema turbo, a 16v, died and despite mourning my loss rather keenly I came to love the Alfa very dearly. I really shouldn't write this, but please would you PM me if you decide you're not going to take it on?

A peek at my car history on my profile should give you an indication of my automotive inclinations..!
Good stuff, they're almost extinct now - Thema turbos even more up my street, sad to see their number in single digits. You're on the list.

okenemem said:
beautiful but looks like trouble
Complete agreement on both. But Alfa x PH = karma.

citizensm1th said:
I still have 95% of a 1.7 cloverleaf sportswagon on my drive, sadly far to gone to resurrect it will be heading to the scrappers soon as Mrs Smith is getting tired of it cluttering the drive
Aha! Does it have front seats? Door card? Probably 164 other little things that this one might be in need of? Let me know if it's truly going off to the rustarium...

Cupramax said:
Excellent, not seen one of these for ages, I had one back in the day, F657SLJ, a red 1.5 Twin carb with 105hp I think. Seemed like a rocket ship at the time. biggrin
Douglas Quaid said:
I had one of these, a 1.5 twin carb. It was lightweight, engine was very responsive and it accelerated to 80 quickly but you were revving the knackers off it if you tried to go any faster as the gearing wasn’t set up for it. That’s most driving though so it didn’t bother me. It was a bit of a stheap in retrospect but I loved it at the time.
It seems ideal for 0-50 driving and weaving, plus the weight and size makes it quite competitive for negotiating dastardly holes and threading between modern roadhippos. So far, so fun.

Alex said:
Check the sills! Hope they are solid.

I had a P4 (full name: "Alfa Romeo 33S 16V Quadrifoglio Verde Permanent 4"). It looked mint, but the sills were starting to go when I sold it.

Thanks and lovely picture - I'm a serial Rover owner too, I do think the two marques share more than most give them credit when it come to innovation, fervent owners and idiosynchratic traditions of design.

Superhoop said:
That brings back memories.. I had a 33 1.7 Sportwagon... I loved it, right up to the point that a drink driver pulled out in front of me at a crossroads, which basically killed it.. I would have it back in a heartbeat..
Glad you made it out unscathed though - such a shame about the Sportwagon - more formers owners than of the hatchback variant on this thread!

Woody.GTJ said:
Haven't seen Phil at AlfaCraft for ages, used to look after my GTJ and Spider. Is the German Sheperd still going?
He's ok, doing good business and pretty much unchanged but the place is under threat from developers and owners as a garage. Senna the German Shephard is in fine fettle and ready for either a wrestle or a game with a tennis ball whenever you drop in. If I could wave a magic wand I would set him up with a fresh rural garage for him to run out of the city, space for more projects and a few eager apprentices to test his patience all day.

My wife took this on Saturday:



RC1807 said:
Wow - I had one exactly like that, OP, from 1996-1997.

I should have kept it instead of replacing it with a Vulva 480ES, which was an absoulte bag o'ste!
I always fancied a 480 until I realised I was only irrationally attracted to flip up lights.

Uncle John said:
Had a 1.5ti in red with the Zender body kit. Loved it to bits. Put P4 alloys on it & it looked the business.

Engine was great, lovely twin carb noise with the air box mod, & mine was 100% reliable.

Had it for 3 years. With the need for more space migrated to a 16v Sport Wagon in metallic green. Not so reliable, head gasket went...

The 16v had more power but lost some of the character with injection. The 1.5 was my favourite.

Check for rust on the floor pan under the boot and the sills.

It’s well worth saving this little beauty, it looks from the photos to be a good example.
The carb noise is incredible, truly eye-widening. I wish I knew more about Dellortos though, these have defeated my existing knowledge. More research required to get the full 110bhp+ active.

Rust seems under control but any new owner would need to be vigilant and have the right equipment to keep on top of it.












Spinakerr

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Thursday 18th July 2019
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Right, where were we? Ah yes, the 33 was safely taking up drive space, and sounding a bit better wiht some fresh Shell Optimax coursing through its system. At startup the strong fuel smell was evident, along with some pinking and general characteristics of over fuelling. I raised the idle on one side and turned one mixture screw (i think) a quarter turn back and the engine sounded healthier at idle. I know a little about Zeniths and Strombergs but decided to stop fiddling as Dellortos are sensitive and car was running at present. Maybe one for Phil to school me on when I see him next.



One item I always have to address are number plates on a car. The 33 had its original dealer plates, in great condition, but the screws were fetid mushrooms, a pustule of blight on fields of yellow and white. They had to go. In both cases the screw heads rusted as to be entirely smooth, and pliers where required for extraction.









Then on to the important stuff - oil looked healthy on the dipstick, but there was serious blarf around the breather hoses and filler neck which I expunged:





Fuses were all ok, but need a clean. So far the horn and the rear demister don't work, but the stalks for lights and wipers were all just replaced with NOS items from Phil's store and work perfectly. Washers, motors and fans are all 100%.



Air filter and box look ok.



Rotor was ok but I gave it a quick sand, distributor cap was new and leads all in correct Ohm ranges.







The vacuum advance hose was loose and badly cracked, so I trimmed it by an inch to get a tight fit and flexibility.



I then tightened Every. Single. Hose. Clamp. Some clips disintegrated, some only started weeping after I looked at them and most were just fine.



I also gave the coolant system a partial flush, as it has the consistency of quarry water and was clearly overdue.

It's a strange situation when you're grateful the cause of your orange coolant is 'only' rust, not a headgasket failure

Bottom radiator hose off, some orange removed:



Clips decide they can expire:



All hoses I could access were removed and scrubbed.



Hose purging in progress:



Full disclosure - I didn't remove the thermostat as I wasn't quite sure of the housing configuration and it looks like a fair few other bits need to come out of the engine for access. I'll run it with water for a weekend and see if I can purge more.

Also found one of the fuel filler hose clamps to be loose, I'm hoping all of this tightening will lessen the smell. Unlikely.



So it's off to the Festival of The Unexceptional on Saturday morning, maybe with a quick polish if I get time but certainly with the Miami Vice compilation tape on the perfectly working Blaupunkt!





Spinakerr

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Sunday 21st July 2019
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Wow, Reader's Car Of The Week - thank you PH!

Great to get that on the day the car was at the Festival of the Unexceptional - we made it with zero issues, and it was the exact place to gauge interest from the right kind of potential owner.


Cupramax said:
That rotor arm..for the sake of a few quid get a new one...
One on the way already, thanks.

Earl of Petrol said:
Had a red 1.5 Green Cloverleaf (preceded by two Alfasud Ti’s) bought from Cubleys of Ainsdale. C969OKB. It was written off in what I later realised could easily have been a fatal (for me) accident.
Insurance paid out and I upgraded myself to a 75 Twin Spark, from the aforementioned Mangoletsi and Fraser Hudson.
Somebody asked about the wind deflectors, they were standard on this model, my earlier car didn’t have them. 33 is properly rare now and remarkably more Alfasuds probably survive. OP’s car looks very original.
Yep the deflectors are QV - I don't think anything on this car is non-original apart from some paint to the rear and standard consumables. Good to hear to worked your way through the back catalogue!

gregelvis said:
My Stepdad had one of these. Same spec and colour. He had been a (rear engined) Skoda man for years before this, so I was delighted when I managed to convince him to go for a nearly new Alfa.

We had a few Alfas in our family. I had a beautiful Sud Ti (which I stuffed into a tree). My Step brother had a GTV, a Sprint and a 146. He raced the GTV and 146 very successfully. You hardly see these even in Italy now (saw a 33 sportwagon in all over primer this week!)
Yes I see many, many Fiat 500s in Italy but no where near as many old Alfas. Like France, likely certain rural areas where they are all still plugging away.

Cambs_Stuart said:
Lovely Alfa.
And congratulations on car of the week!
Ta kindly, thanks for the ongoing support for the fleet!

MJK 24 said:
If you get underneath, there’s a drain bolt in each cylinder head to enable full draining of the cooling system!
Got it - that looks relatively easy - thanks!

tim-jxv5n said:
Thanks and lovely picture - I'm a serial Rover owner too

Haha, biggest insult of the day, that's an accord type r!!!
Oops - mea culpa - the perils of replying after viewing images on a phone screen.

TypeR said:
I see your car originally came from Amersham Motors. I bought a beautiful Sud Sprint from them over 20 years ago.
They became part of the Perrys group. I'm not sure if the dealership is still operating, last time I drove past, the showroom was full of Hyundais.
Well done for rescuing that lovely 33!! The noise they make is really unique.
I had a few comments about the Amersham connection and dealership yesterday - unfortunately I'm clueless on the subject but the paperwork is all there.

Mr Tidy said:
Brilliant Reader's Car of the Week!

Well done to the OP for giving it some love. thumbup

It looks far too good to be scrapped, so it's good to see it being saved. Such a rare car - I don't remember seeing many of them around even when they were current models!
Thanks - half the battle was taking the plunge, but quite a few RHD models seems to have made it here.

Mikebentley said:
Great car OP and good luck. Is the walk of shame you mention a reference to your dodgy footwear?
Ha! It's the summer, and I make no apologies for cheap loafers! Why do I always get picked up on my footwear in these threads...

itiejim said:
Wow, great to see one of these. I had an identical one, same model and colour from 1998 - 2001 - G710 MET. Great car, loads of character and I could never understand why they seemed so underrated. It took me all over the place including to a new life in Rome but ended up in a scrap yard there due to terminal rust.
It was surprisingly rare to see a 1.7 Cloverleaf in Italy, so always got lots of attention.
Love it, enjoy ??
Sounds like the correct adventure arc for an Alfa! We'll see how this one goes...


Spinakerr

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Sunday 21st July 2019
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With a full hamper of edibles, a smattering of tools and bleary eye we set off for the Festival of the Unexceptional yesterday, my first time there and hopefully the first of many! It started with minimal complaint this time, alternator belt not shrieking and only a few pings and pongs from the exhaust to the absolute delight of my neighbours.The 33 is surprisingly quiet at 70mph on the motorway, but much more at home whizzing around 50mph B roads and sweeping bends of Buckinghamshire.

From some email correspondence I had thought we were going to be waved to the 'main stage', but we ended up just outside..



This is the type of classic festival where MGBs get weird looks for turning up as being 'too common'.

Once we took the tour the confusion source was uncovered, there was another gold 33, a 1.5, on the main ground:



Good to talk to the custodian here as a few reference pics of the engine bay and random info nuggets were well received.

The variety and multitude of vehicles was truly a wonder - everyone was stopping and shaking their head with "Well I never.." and "What is that?..." gestures. Picture overload to follow. Name them all!



20190720_111213 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_111228 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_111316 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_111324 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_111342 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_111503 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_111604 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_111637 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_112004 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_112119 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_113309 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_113955 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

20190720_122620 by Clifton Tausberger, on Flickr

Phew.

Spinakerr

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Saturday 24th August 2019
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A happy end to this little 33 adventure - one of the PH members who saw this thread will be taking on this rare gem, and hopefully starting a thread of his own to document further work and the trips he has planned for it.

As he is a serial Alfa owner, relatively local and had more enthusiasm for this little car than any of the other potential buyers I'm sure this won't be the last we hear of it!

I've been out of the country of late but here's my last photo I have at present after the deal was done at Alfacraft in Mortlake, with Phil agreeing to finish a few jobs before the new owner takes it on.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to the thread and sent their own stories in PMs - the 33 seems to be a touchstone for many of us in the community, and I'm glad to have had this one on the drive for a short, entertaining period!


Spinakerr

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Sunday 19th April 2020
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Wow they look the absolute business!

I haven't heard form the new owner directly since the 33 was sold on, but Phil at Alfacraft mumbled something about it 'still going' so I assume he knows its about.

Only the previous owner was listed on the V5, and I think there were not many owners.

Jane - if you would like me to put you in touch with the new owner send me a PM and I'll send you both email details.


Spinakerr

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Tuesday 21st April 2020
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Great to hear its accumulating parts! Will be very interested in how the project goes and pictures along the way - sadly my plans to import a load of 164 parts from Italy have been somewhat delayed too.

That black sportwagon looks the business - in a few years the first examples will be ULEZX and tax exempt, and I will be sorely tempted if our Rover 75 diesel is no longer allowed near any town centre.

Spinakerr

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Friday 3rd July 2020
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Fantastic update, very good to see the 33 is up and running, in good hands and benefiting from some TLC!

Give Phil a call on the 33 - I'm pretty sure he changed the cambelt in 2018 wiht a spare kit he had lying around but just never wrote it down - you might be very much in luck there.

All the very best and hope to see you (both) at an Alfa event when they all get up & running.