Porsche 993/964 historic prices

[v8ksn]

Morning all, hope you can help.

I am looking for historic prices of the 993 and 964, what they went for in 2005 / 2010 / 2015 etc and at what mileages.

I'm hoping someone kept a spreadsheet as that would be perfect.

I dont mind anyone making a profit on these cars as that is just the way things work but there are a few owners out there that I feel are hoping to cash in having spent nothing on the car with regards to preventative maintenance or upgrading worn out parts etc in their years of ownership.

I know that condition is KEY with these cars and high mileage 'Triggers-broom' cars can in some cases be a better buy than low mileage never used examples. I am trying to figure out what is a 'good deal' in the current market and without historic information its difficult to work out.

[v8ksn]

Thanks for your replies guys.

There are a lot of cars out there that have had no work on them and the sellers want the moon on a stick for them. I'm leaning towards buying a battered old original numbers-matching 993 or 964 and spending ££££ on it to get the car I want.

It's probably the most expensive route but i'm sure it will be more fun and rewarding.

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IMI A said:

A good 993 has never been less than £30k even back in 2005 for a car with say 40k miles

In 2010 they were around £35k for same car

I’m 2015 same car £50k

Currently between £57k and £80k for a good original panel no rust car with lowish miles

This is brilliant info, thank you.

The red one at 911V is not of interest as the wife has made one request.....the car is not red! Long story(s) but she has not had much luck in red cars and is now very superstitious!

That yellow 993 looks gorgeous How many cars do you own now? I have lost count

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Porsche911R said:

I would not take one on now, the costs to do body work is mental, all the ones I have seen even at £70k have body issues.

It's suprising the number of cars out there that look good from a few yards away but once you get up close and start looking underneath you can see the bills mounting up.

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IMI A said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


Completely different but I love both of these.

The asking price for the C2S is £125K

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SRT Hellcat said:

v8ksn.
Personally I would buy the best car you can find even if it is a little over budget. It will pay dividends in the end.

I agree. My dad always used to say "Buy cheap, buy twice"

Are there any mileage triggers on these cars where things will have to be replaced just because they are worn out?

Should I expect and budget for new springs, shocks, wishbones and bush's on a car with 80K?

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LaurasOtherHalf said:

Wish I hadn't sold it!

That's a beautiful car. I would love to own something like that. Do you know where the car is now?

[v8ksn]

It's quite difficult to figure out which car is worth time and effort to go and see........ but sometimes its easy to dismiss a car...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

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jonttt said:

In 2013 993 C4S with 64k miles for £35k from a recognized Indy.

You are a lucky man Jon, you bought at the right time and price.

Lovely car.

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I would just like to say that I have found every post on this thread interesting and valuable and I would like to thank every poster.

There are lot of people on this forum with considerably more experience with 911's than me. I have asked for information to help me try and decide what 'good value' is in this market place and all information and experiences are helpful.

I don't really want a car that is already done as there is no fun in the build for me. I am just looking for a good value solid car with no horror stories that I can drive and modify and cherish for years to come.

The problem for me is figuring out what will need doing and how much I should pay.

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Slippydiff said:

If you want a 993 to top them all, it's got to be this one :

http://www.joemacari.com/All-Cars-for-Sale/_prod_P...

That is gorgeous but just a little out of my price range..... Like £200K more

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IMI A said:

lovely build thread on an old 993 here. Inspirational stuff in terms of the amazing end result - my fave 993.

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=103102&postda...

I'll have a read of that now, nice one.

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Slippydiff said:

IMI A said:

Belongs to the same owner who commissioned the Yellow Peril. 997 so useable hard to sell. I'd swap for a 720s though!

Any views on what a fair price for a high miles but good 993 should be for a hot rod type project for OP?

£40K.

Nice one guys. I must admit, I just don't understand the market at the moment. This car was for sale at £55K for a week or so and now the price has been increased to £65K

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

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g7jhp said:

v8ksn I think you'd be really shocked driving A 993 C4 after a 997.1 GT3.

I had a mint 1996 993 C4 (so varioram) and I never clicked with it and went back to another 3.2 Carrera.

Why didn't you get on with it? I would be really interested to know what you didn't like.

I have not driven a 993 yet but I had frequent access to a 964 many years ago and I loved driving that.

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g7jhp said:

Background my 3.2 Carrera was circa £17k. Not sure if you've driven one, but I'd describe them as quite agricultural. No driver aids, heavy at parking speeds and weight up nicely when on the move. Not fast, but fun on a spirited drive and a great some (that aircooled flat 6, smell (the oil) and classic 911 looks...the upright headlights.

I spent time finding a lovely 1996 Polar Silver 993 C4 (varioram) manual, coupe with black leather and sports seats. I'd yearned for the 993 as it looked more modern and on paper seemed a natural step up the aircooled ladder. It was comfortable and far more modern to drive but it felt heavier as a car, the performance wasn't a massive jump forward that I was expecting (turbo diesels would give you a run) and it didn't feel as special as my previous 3.2. The plastic bumpers felt cheaper. Given that it was twice the cost it didn't seem worth the extra.

Perhaps a 993 C2 would have been a better bet, or a 964 C2. I went back to another 3.2 Carrera which I loved. Since then
my 996 turbo has certainly delivered far more on the performance, handling and overall experience than the 993 C4.

No rights or wrongs the 993 C4 just wasn't for me, but you may love it. I'd certainly do and drive a couple to get a basic idea of the experience before you make the switch.

If I was looking for an aircooled 911 it would be another G50 3.2 Carrera or 964 C2.

Good luck.

Thank you for your open and honest post.

I love my GT3 and I have had some truly amazing and memorable drives in it. The sound it makes at full chat and the speed it can carry into corners is fantastic but I am beginning to feel that it's not how fast you can go, but how you go fast.

Recently I started a thread called Big Numbers and these big numbers the car can achieve worry me. There is still fun to be had driving the car at less than 10/10ths but the very nature of the car goads you into hooligan behaviour. The car wants you to behave badly, it wants you to drive at truly antisocial speeds and the rewards when you give in are plentiful. Nailing a downshift from 4th to 3rd before you pour the car into a long sweeping corner and then feed in the power again and change into 4th and 5th at full revs is life affirming stuff.

If I am honest with myself, each time I drive the GT3 it's like a roller-coaster ride. By that I mean it's a thrill that is defined and contained within certain parameters. The car can handle anything I throw at it. I am looking for a different challenge now, a different experience and I think going back to an air cooled 911 will give me a different challenge at lower speeds. I may be wrong but life is all about experiences right?

I have to remind myself that my car is 11 years old and since then the GT3 has got faster and faster, lord knows how fast the new ones go! How the owners can have fun on the road without scaring themselves silly at the speeds attained I don't know.

If I can build a 993 to be engaging, fun to drive, exploitable and have great steering all at lower speeds then I will have succeeded.

Would still love a 911R though

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Slippydiff said:

I’ve never been convinced a C4 964/993 will give the full on aircooled 911effect.
That’s not to say they’re bad cars, far from it, but the front diff, driveshafts etc and power being fed through the front wheels, removes some of the tactility (and adds some stability that some may appreciate) that defines the lightly laden front end of the 2 wheel drive cars.

I've heard conflicting reports, some say you can't tell the difference between C2 and C4 and others that say the C4 loses the 'front end bob' that is the main characteristic of an air cooled 911.

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BertBert said:

All this talk of the 997GT3 being too fast is most distressing as I'm moving from air cooled to GT3! I know the 996 GT3 works for me and I was hoping the 997 might.

If all else fails I'll still have my lovely lively slow old 69T to fall back on!

Bert

I wouldn't worry if I were you Bert, the 997 GT3 is a spectacular machine. A truly engaging car that in my opinion is at the peak point when analogue was king before the slow intrusion of electronics, paddle shift gearboxes and electric steering took over.

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Slippydiff said:

... 996 may not the prettiest (but on the basis the naughtiest ladies often aren't the best looking, that's not a bad thing !!)
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This is so true. The 996 GT3 is the kind of car you will take out occasionally for a good thrashing down a quiet country lane but you wouldn't want your mates to catch you nailing it

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stewart rix said:

I managed to buy my current turbo, privately, for £50k in 2013 with 40k miles on the clock, as a direct replacement for another turbo (same arctic silver, albeit an X50) written off in an accident. My insurance paid out at a guaranteed value for the same amount.

You did well on that! Well done
I was thinking of getting an arena red turbo but a drive in a GT3 seduced me.