Rare to see a new manual GT3 with a pro on track.

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https://youtu.be/awuvYmTbhuM

nice time 1.24.8

991.1 GT3 same driver PDK 1.27.2

unknown driver .2 PDK 124.6

All about that engine, enjoy.

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IMI A said:

Nice vid. Barely faster than a 1972 911

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9RoOO9QSzU

forget HANS, fit a Ohlins damper to your head ;-)

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IMI A said:

Interesting to compare almost 50 yrs of progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=189&am...

not in his car as it's honed to perfecting a lap and cost £££, what was more interesting is the 2008 GT3 RS at 1.33.13

But on here people say the new cars are not night and day , 10 seconds is a mighty gap from a 2008 RS to a basic GT3 today.

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Slippydiff said:

Not really a valid comparison, as the 997.1 RS was the least modified/focused GT3 RS Stuttgart has produced, added to which 10 years may as well be a lifetime in modern car engineering terms.

you might say the 997.1 RS had the lightest and thus the sweetest engine, has the wider track and the big wing though !

I have talked to people after owning a lot of GT products the 997.1 RS is their fav car over older or newer.
so while on paper it was a bit of a wash out and got slated as being the same car, to drive it seems quite the reverse and maybe the best car ! and atm looks the best value for an RS.

Are people missing a trick on this model due to the "lease modded " comments punted about on forums.

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Cunno said:

That does seem a lot, where are the times coming from? Are they same day same driver?

while other people might say how, I can tell you the cars are night and day apart.
although tyres have come on a long way also.

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Cunno said:

Don’t disagree it’s what Porsche does each model gets quicker, but looking at the fastest lap times something is a miss with the 997.1 RS time as a M3 and R8 are showing to be quicker which isn’t correct. On a 1m 30 sec lap same driver / conditions I expected a 991.2 to be 5 secs-6 secs but not 10 secs.

look at the ring time 7.12 from standard 991.2 GT3 , 7.42 from the 997 GT3. it's 30 seconds ! or about a mile behind !

again the 997.2 run out hero RS 4.0 vs the 991.2 RS again 1 mile behind or 30 odd seconds.

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LaSource said:

Sorry, are you saying a 997.1 GT3 is the same pace as a 4.0RS? weird.

Also, you do know the tyres will be totally different in that comparison and the delta much smaller on same tyres. But yes the latest car is quickest.

no the gaps about 30 seconds from the 997.2 4.0 RS to the 991.2 RS also, so about a mile behind on the ring.

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Steve Rance said:

looking at the track layout and length, a 10 second gap between a 997.1GT3 and a 991.2 GT3 it isnt realistic. There are a few corners where the 991 diff will have an advantage and the power increase of the 991 will have a decent advantage also but theres nowhere near 10 seconds there if both cars were driven by a 911 specialist on the same tyres. I'll tell you what. I'm happy to race anyone who has 991.2 manual on any circuit in the UK and if there is 10 second advantage to the 991, the owner gets my car..... and if there is less than 10 seconds advantage, I'll get thier car. Hows that? sounds fair.

As an aside, if i were to buy a 991.2 GT3 (not an RS), it would be a manual in guards. Lovel car as a daily

there is 2.4 seconds from the 991.1 PDK to the 991.2 Manual though, that's a massive gap also given a PDK is faster on track.

lets not also forget the PDK cars have e-diffs, the manual car in the test does not have the E-diff and also has less RWS angles, it's a much more basic setup in the manuals cars, not just the lack of PDK.

which goes to show the new 4.0L engine to gain 2.4 seconds on the 991.1 is massive.