Ford 1.0 Ecoboost Group Legal Action - £millions
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At last it is official and in main stream news...
Any model car can join the action and historical ownership or current can join... the website is being updated to provide buttons for all the models...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/6624292/ford-...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5885385/Fo...
http://www.roscoereid.com/ford-ecoboost-engines/
Key words: engine failure coolant leak degas hose
Any model car can join the action and historical ownership or current can join... the website is being updated to provide buttons for all the models...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/6624292/ford-...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5885385/Fo...
http://www.roscoereid.com/ford-ecoboost-engines/
Key words: engine failure coolant leak degas hose
Over 660 registration plates published on FaceBook page (tip of the iceberg many say):
https://www.facebook.com/groups/FordEcoboostNightm...
The registration list on pinned post of the public group includes mainly Focus 1.0 litre cars and there are estimated 90k of them on UK roads.
I'm not saying the Daily Moan or The Sun are great papers with fanatstic journalism but this is a serious topic that car owners and potential EcoBoost ownerd need to know about.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/FordEcoboostNightm...
The registration list on pinned post of the public group includes mainly Focus 1.0 litre cars and there are estimated 90k of them on UK roads.
I'm not saying the Daily Moan or The Sun are great papers with fanatstic journalism but this is a serious topic that car owners and potential EcoBoost ownerd need to know about.
Separately.... and specicially... the 1.6 EcoBoost had a safety recall published in Jan 2018 for risk of fire. This was subsequently botched in its implementation and many people are still waiting for the work to be done.
The fix for the 1.6 is what many say is needed for the 1.0... i.e. including a coolant level sensor to stop engine failures without warning.
The fix for the 1.6 is what many say is needed for the 1.0... i.e. including a coolant level sensor to stop engine failures without warning.
Where did you get that "1 million on road" from... no random unsupported 'facts' on this thread please. If you have a link that supports that statement please post it soon.
The number of 1.0 litre Focus turbos on the road now are approx 90k. see www.howmanyleft.co.uk
The number of 1.0 litre Focus turbos on the road now are approx 90k. see www.howmanyleft.co.uk
I and all other affected people would genuinely be happy for any one with EcoBoosts that are going strong. Please be aware that if there is any temporary coolant malfunction for even a matter of minutes you are likely to suffer engine damage and a bill for £5000. The secondhand value of these cars will drop as this becomes wide knowledge. Ford have not been able to publish what they have done to fix this issue, if anything, because they haven't publicly admitted there is a design fault.
If this was such a tiny problem why do Ford in the first instance try to do nothing to help those affected... and then push familes to breaking point? For such a rich company they would easily be able to afford to look after that tiny percentage mentioned on this thread. Maybe saving money to cover the now group legal action?
If this was such a tiny problem why do Ford in the first instance try to do nothing to help those affected... and then push familes to breaking point? For such a rich company they would easily be able to afford to look after that tiny percentage mentioned on this thread. Maybe saving money to cover the now group legal action?
Car-Matt said:
One of the newspaper articles you quoted states there are over 1 million ecoboost engines on the road.....and your OP mentions 'any model can join in' so it seems aggregating the number of engines is fair.
To be fair, I see your point. The main issue is with 1.0 litre cars but there are others affected. The legal action is casting a wide net at this stage, but its has been based on the figures known for the 1.0 litre engine failures of which there are many. The Facebook group is mainly 1.0 litre cases see for yourself... the group has been running for 2 years now.This issue is a total engine failure requiring cylinder head and bottom block replacement. The cost is around £5000 and 6+ weeks without a courtesy car. For cars just out of 3 yr warranty or even within 5 yrs and under average mileage is not great and worse still to not get more assistance from the manufacturer.
660 is not the total number of cases. DVSA and formally VOSA do not know the total. It is only Ford that know the true total. The DVSA could demand this info from Ford but they haven't. 660 is just the cases reported on facebook. 660 is the figure last week, it is now 720 and will accelerate with the media coverage:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3dd90c30-78c2-1...
So quoting percent failures would need to consider the magnitude of the failure event. A small relatively cheap component is much less inconvenient and often less threat to peoples safety. The true total would very likely be well over 1000 each will a bill of £5000 each.
A level sensor fix would require a full implementation to be designed and provided by Ford. Adding a level sensor is not trivial and would need wiring loom and ECU mods, just like the fix for the safety recall of the 1.6 litre from Ford published Jan 2018.
660 is not the total number of cases. DVSA and formally VOSA do not know the total. It is only Ford that know the true total. The DVSA could demand this info from Ford but they haven't. 660 is just the cases reported on facebook. 660 is the figure last week, it is now 720 and will accelerate with the media coverage:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3dd90c30-78c2-1...
So quoting percent failures would need to consider the magnitude of the failure event. A small relatively cheap component is much less inconvenient and often less threat to peoples safety. The true total would very likely be well over 1000 each will a bill of £5000 each.
A level sensor fix would require a full implementation to be designed and provided by Ford. Adding a level sensor is not trivial and would need wiring loom and ECU mods, just like the fix for the safety recall of the 1.6 litre from Ford published Jan 2018.
rustfalia said:
Load of fuss over nothing.
Effected a few early cars which is to be expected in the automotive industry when cars are rushed to market.
A flick over the registration plate list, of the now 720 cars, show plenty of 2012 through to 2014 cars. Even 15 2015 cars appear in the list which is a total to be expected by the nature of time where there seems to be a common failure point between 3 and 4 yrs.Effected a few early cars which is to be expected in the automotive industry when cars are rushed to market.
Also, there are plenty of people on 3rd engines.
Would this be considered as a few early cars?
There are many elements to this topic, and I've not mentioned everything so far, knowing that there would be many questions and opinions from people.
The next relevant fact is that there are many instances of the degas hose recall new design hose not preventing the engine failure.
A separate point is there are to many cases of Ford dealerships selling cars with outstanding degas hose recall work. It has then been left to the car owners to pick up the pieces and fight their case without a courtesy car. It might be within the law for recalls not deamed to be saftey recalls, but certainly not within the spirt of the law when the result is such an expensive and arguably dangerous effect.
It is too late but Ford should have included very close intensive coolant system checks and yearly degas hose changes as part of the service schedule as a proportionate response to the situation.
The next relevant fact is that there are many instances of the degas hose recall new design hose not preventing the engine failure.
A separate point is there are to many cases of Ford dealerships selling cars with outstanding degas hose recall work. It has then been left to the car owners to pick up the pieces and fight their case without a courtesy car. It might be within the law for recalls not deamed to be saftey recalls, but certainly not within the spirt of the law when the result is such an expensive and arguably dangerous effect.
It is too late but Ford should have included very close intensive coolant system checks and yearly degas hose changes as part of the service schedule as a proportionate response to the situation.
I'm not Louise but one of the many active people from the group and also one of the many to suffer from this fiasco.
This action is to recover all losses, including premature car trade in and alternative travel costs for the months without a car due to no courtesy car. For me that included my wife who had to often suffer carrying a 2mth old around in a sling while pushing a 2 yr old in a push chair in the depths of winter.
The action will hopefully put a stop to the madness merry go round of these lemons where second hand traders, including Fords network, make a lot of money from this mess.
Also the action will hopefully make big business feel some pain and hopefully make future exploitation of customers less likely to happen again.
This action is to recover all losses, including premature car trade in and alternative travel costs for the months without a car due to no courtesy car. For me that included my wife who had to often suffer carrying a 2mth old around in a sling while pushing a 2 yr old in a push chair in the depths of winter.
The action will hopefully put a stop to the madness merry go round of these lemons where second hand traders, including Fords network, make a lot of money from this mess.
Also the action will hopefully make big business feel some pain and hopefully make future exploitation of customers less likely to happen again.
There hasnt been any rude comments so far just opinions.
I'm one of many who have lost approx £2000 due to early trade in, plus £100's for alternative transport while it took mths for the engine to be replaced.
Despite pushing my family to breaking point without the car and stress from uncertainty of when it would be fixed.
This loss of money means my children will need to suffer due to my wife needing to go back to work earlier.
This is not a pathetic money grab for me or 100's more like me. It is to redress the damage Ford have done to families across the UK.
I'm one of many who have lost approx £2000 due to early trade in, plus £100's for alternative transport while it took mths for the engine to be replaced.
Despite pushing my family to breaking point without the car and stress from uncertainty of when it would be fixed.
This loss of money means my children will need to suffer due to my wife needing to go back to work earlier.
This is not a pathetic money grab for me or 100's more like me. It is to redress the damage Ford have done to families across the UK.
Ford car dealers have been selling cars with outstanding recall degas hose work. It wasn't classed as a safety recall. Ford have not made more than a cursory effort to contact owners. Also the replacement hoses have not prevented engines failing.
So... the degas hose issue was not sorted and is still not sorted. Plus it is not the root cause and just window dressing to make it look like Ford and DVSA, formally VOSA, are doing something.
Very interesting that you know how many have already signed up to the legal action. How do you know that?
Interesting set of assumptions to calculate a number to support your position on this. Don't forget this is not a minor failure... and if it is such a low number why didn't Ford just replace them all free of charge with no fuss?
Don't forget about the fleet customers... the big boys... police, NHS, government mobility, hire car companies etc etc
I wonder how this mess pans out with them? Do they get preferential treatment or have they already started their legal action behind the scenes?
So... the degas hose issue was not sorted and is still not sorted. Plus it is not the root cause and just window dressing to make it look like Ford and DVSA, formally VOSA, are doing something.
Very interesting that you know how many have already signed up to the legal action. How do you know that?
Interesting set of assumptions to calculate a number to support your position on this. Don't forget this is not a minor failure... and if it is such a low number why didn't Ford just replace them all free of charge with no fuss?
Don't forget about the fleet customers... the big boys... police, NHS, government mobility, hire car companies etc etc
I wonder how this mess pans out with them? Do they get preferential treatment or have they already started their legal action behind the scenes?
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