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as the title which to go for that you aren't really going to lose money on?
I'm currently stuck on whether to buy myself a new RS3 next september OR going down the supercar route
if looking at ferrari does the colour make a real difference to value?
will gallardos go up in value?
i see the 12c is currently heading south in value with prices around 88-90k are these likely to go down more before recovering if so how far?
im liking the look of the ferrari 308, 348, theres a lovely looking black 360 spyder on auto trader with the cream sports seats, i think a 430 is out of my price range as is a 550/575
I've driven a gallardo 6spd and a mclaren 12c and loved both (preferred the lambo for noise and drama)
any car must be a manual and does colour dictate if not wanting to lose massive money, OR is the bubble going to burst and it be best waiting? (i nearly bought a 355 when they were around 35k and kicking myself now, and back in 2011 i could have had a 996 turbo for 20k and again they've gone up in value)
i don't see the porsche as "special" though (sorry to any owners) so which ones are to have and whats to avoid? whats to look for? some ppl say the 348 is a dog of a car but i wouldn't know what to look for
cheers in advance
I'm currently stuck on whether to buy myself a new RS3 next september OR going down the supercar route
if looking at ferrari does the colour make a real difference to value?
will gallardos go up in value?
i see the 12c is currently heading south in value with prices around 88-90k are these likely to go down more before recovering if so how far?
im liking the look of the ferrari 308, 348, theres a lovely looking black 360 spyder on auto trader with the cream sports seats, i think a 430 is out of my price range as is a 550/575
I've driven a gallardo 6spd and a mclaren 12c and loved both (preferred the lambo for noise and drama)
any car must be a manual and does colour dictate if not wanting to lose massive money, OR is the bubble going to burst and it be best waiting? (i nearly bought a 355 when they were around 35k and kicking myself now, and back in 2011 i could have had a 996 turbo for 20k and again they've gone up in value)
i don't see the porsche as "special" though (sorry to any owners) so which ones are to have and whats to avoid? whats to look for? some ppl say the 348 is a dog of a car but i wouldn't know what to look for
cheers in advance
It’s not primarily of importance I just don’t want to buy something that is not desirable I’d i ever had to sell
And I should have added in the first post
Options would be
A) RS3
B) new mondeo estate and a weekend supercar
I have the option for a company car so my funds would be clear whereas RS3 would be mine this then allows me to put the money into something else!
And I should have added in the first post
Options would be
A) RS3
B) new mondeo estate and a weekend supercar
I have the option for a company car so my funds would be clear whereas RS3 would be mine this then allows me to put the money into something else!
The problem is though I want that theatre and sense of occasion I know the cars I’m talking about will be slow compared to today’s machines but I’ve always said I wanted a Ferrari when I was in my thirties, I’m 35 this year and wanted to get into something before I’m priced out of the market
Plus after 5yrs an rs3 will have gone from £52k down to been worth 20-25k whereas the cars I’m looking at will more than likely stick where they are or go up! And more so after 10yrs and I’m only thinking in a trading up aspect
From speaking to a few dealers I expect maintainance costs to be around £2.5-3k a year
Plus after 5yrs an rs3 will have gone from £52k down to been worth 20-25k whereas the cars I’m looking at will more than likely stick where they are or go up! And more so after 10yrs and I’m only thinking in a trading up aspect
From speaking to a few dealers I expect maintainance costs to be around £2.5-3k a year
Cheers for that
The lambs for me was the noise and the click clack of the manual box and it was a lovely easy gearbox to drive quickly the only thing I didn’t like was how much the drivers wheel well intruded into the car making it very narrow
I do like the 360 and I was looking for tdf blue or black with crema, red seems common and I’m not a massive fan of it, love the yellow though and the manuals are around 79k manual 430s seem north of 100k and 355s seem to be around similar to the 360 if not abit more
The lambs for me was the noise and the click clack of the manual box and it was a lovely easy gearbox to drive quickly the only thing I didn’t like was how much the drivers wheel well intruded into the car making it very narrow
I do like the 360 and I was looking for tdf blue or black with crema, red seems common and I’m not a massive fan of it, love the yellow though and the manuals are around 79k manual 430s seem north of 100k and 355s seem to be around similar to the 360 if not abit more
davek_964 said:
As mentioned already - there is a premium for red Ferraris, but since you pay it when you buy and get it back when you sell it doesn't really make much difference to the overall cost. My first Ferrari was red (and I think most people want the first one to be red) but I didn't want a red one the second time around.
348s don't deserve the reputation they have. I thought mine was great - it might be relatively slow compared to modern cars but it felt like a go kart. It was a huge amount of fun, and convinced me that Ferrari's were not as fragile as I had always assumed they were.
It was an old car though and needed fairly regular maintenance - however, it was usually very minor (e.g. the wiring at the door pillar which is a known weak point). Overall, a very good car - however, in my humble opinion - not good enough to command the kind of prices they're advertised for these days.
After a break of a year or so, I bought a 360 - had it about 4.5 years now, and still think it's fabulous. Again - not really all that fast compared to modern cars, but it is superb - so much fun to drive. There is a twisty road on the approach to my work and on the rare occasions I use the 360 and get a clear run, I literally arrive at work with a smile on my face.
A 430 probably is better - but then again, they cost more and my 360 does everything I want. I think if I upgraded, I'd probably skip 430s and go 458 but then you're talking serious cash.
Love the 12Cs - but as you've said, they just keep going down. Which would be bad enough - but they just keep going down when everything else is going up and that bothers me.
However - I think there is some risk with buying most things at the moment. I don't know if it's a bubble or not, but prices have shot up recently and they could very well go down again. If you do decide to buy a ~£70k car I think you have to go in knowing that you <might> lost a big chunk of it. I bought my (manual) 360 in 2013 with ~20k miles on it, and I paid less than £40k. It's now got about 32k miles on it, and if I advertised it for £40k today I am absolutely sure it would be sold before the end of the day. Even at 50% more than I paid for it, it would be a bargain at current prices for a manual 360. That's obviously great if you own one - it means if I sold tomorrow I've had almost 5 years in a 360 for free since I'd get my running costs back. But it would make me nervous to buy one now.
On the other hand - you only live once, and could be run over by a bus tomorrow. It would be a shame if you hadn't lived your dreams a bit first.
ETA : And don't get a Porsche. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz - soulless and dull.
Cheers for that! Yeah I’m kicking myself that I didn’t buy a few yrs ago and I’m hoping by next September (especially through winter) I can be abit cheeky with asking for money off!348s don't deserve the reputation they have. I thought mine was great - it might be relatively slow compared to modern cars but it felt like a go kart. It was a huge amount of fun, and convinced me that Ferrari's were not as fragile as I had always assumed they were.
It was an old car though and needed fairly regular maintenance - however, it was usually very minor (e.g. the wiring at the door pillar which is a known weak point). Overall, a very good car - however, in my humble opinion - not good enough to command the kind of prices they're advertised for these days.
After a break of a year or so, I bought a 360 - had it about 4.5 years now, and still think it's fabulous. Again - not really all that fast compared to modern cars, but it is superb - so much fun to drive. There is a twisty road on the approach to my work and on the rare occasions I use the 360 and get a clear run, I literally arrive at work with a smile on my face.
A 430 probably is better - but then again, they cost more and my 360 does everything I want. I think if I upgraded, I'd probably skip 430s and go 458 but then you're talking serious cash.
Love the 12Cs - but as you've said, they just keep going down. Which would be bad enough - but they just keep going down when everything else is going up and that bothers me.
However - I think there is some risk with buying most things at the moment. I don't know if it's a bubble or not, but prices have shot up recently and they could very well go down again. If you do decide to buy a ~£70k car I think you have to go in knowing that you <might> lost a big chunk of it. I bought my (manual) 360 in 2013 with ~20k miles on it, and I paid less than £40k. It's now got about 32k miles on it, and if I advertised it for £40k today I am absolutely sure it would be sold before the end of the day. Even at 50% more than I paid for it, it would be a bargain at current prices for a manual 360. That's obviously great if you own one - it means if I sold tomorrow I've had almost 5 years in a 360 for free since I'd get my running costs back. But it would make me nervous to buy one now.
On the other hand - you only live once, and could be run over by a bus tomorrow. It would be a shame if you hadn't lived your dreams a bit first.
ETA : And don't get a Porsche. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz - soulless and dull.
Edited by davek_964 on Tuesday 10th April 12:51
For me it’s completely sense of occasion noise and drama!
I agree if it’s speed and point to point the RS3 is the car to have BUT when I was a kid and now it isn’t about that is it, it’s looking at its beauty it’s the sound when you start them up and Rev them out these days you can’t speed about because round the next corner is more than likely a speed camera van but it’s about memories and excitement!
An rs3 apart from noise is no different to my golf and I’m not excited by it! Yes I can give it death and it’s quick but it never makes you feel special I never want to just grab the keys and go for a drive! It even has a speaker in the cabin that pumps fake engine noise into the cabin!!! I want to hear the engine scream and shout not some fakery!
I was offered a mondeo estate as my company car a couple of years ago or be given mileage money on my own car hence going for the golf gti pp! If I go for the boring work car it means I can have my own fun car! Plus it might be the start of a collection, who knows but you live once and I want to enjoy it!
I agree if it’s speed and point to point the RS3 is the car to have BUT when I was a kid and now it isn’t about that is it, it’s looking at its beauty it’s the sound when you start them up and Rev them out these days you can’t speed about because round the next corner is more than likely a speed camera van but it’s about memories and excitement!
An rs3 apart from noise is no different to my golf and I’m not excited by it! Yes I can give it death and it’s quick but it never makes you feel special I never want to just grab the keys and go for a drive! It even has a speaker in the cabin that pumps fake engine noise into the cabin!!! I want to hear the engine scream and shout not some fakery!
I was offered a mondeo estate as my company car a couple of years ago or be given mileage money on my own car hence going for the golf gti pp! If I go for the boring work car it means I can have my own fun car! Plus it might be the start of a collection, who knows but you live once and I want to enjoy it!
johnnyreggae said:
I'm a bit confused: your super car must be a manual that does not depreciate yet the RS3 is paddles that will depreciate
Surely then something like a 360F1 which has the potential to lose less money than a manual would make most sense
The 360 F1 gearbox I imagine is quite slow and dimwitted and on an exotic car I’d want manualSurely then something like a 360F1 which has the potential to lose less money than a manual would make most sense
The RS3 would also be used for work so I spend a lot of time on motorways and with things like adaptive cruise a flappy paddle gearbox makes sense! If I go down the supercar route then I would have a mondeo or similar for work meaning that my weekend car would be a special wknd car
I'm going to watch the values over the next 12 month to see where they're at,
I've decided its pretty much between 3 cars
1. tdf blue 360 with crema seats 6 spd manual
2. f430 6spd manual
3. verde ithaca gallardo 6spd manual
obviously the oddball is the RS3 but its also probably more likely to get thugs trying to get it at 3am,
the only porsche i would entertain is a 964 turbo s (bad boys) but completely out of my price range or the gt3 rs or gt2 but nowhere near my budget and never will be so no point even thinking about them
I've decided its pretty much between 3 cars
1. tdf blue 360 with crema seats 6 spd manual
2. f430 6spd manual
3. verde ithaca gallardo 6spd manual
obviously the oddball is the RS3 but its also probably more likely to get thugs trying to get it at 3am,
the only porsche i would entertain is a 964 turbo s (bad boys) but completely out of my price range or the gt3 rs or gt2 but nowhere near my budget and never will be so no point even thinking about them
Well I’m going to start looking shortly I did want a 355 and the chase sequence in goldeneye wetted my apetite but when I’ve seen a few on the road they don’t intrigue me! The 360 430 and the gallardo I love their silhouette and their rooflines the only thing with the manuals is they look stuck on like an afterthought whereas the gallardos was extremely nice! I haven’t driven an e gear gallardo but the paddles look quite awkward and not very nice and I would prefer an F1 gearbox f430 BUT it’s the whole value thing as it was he last manual car before the 458! Scud or challenge stradale would be my ultimate wish list but out of my range! I genuinely wish I’d bought a few years ago as I’d be laughing now!
Claret Badger said:
Aged 40 (4 years ago) I had a similar itch which needed scratching. Was deciding between a Gallardo and a 550. In the end it was an easy choice as I couldnt fit in the Lambo! Also felt the 550 would be more special yet more practical. Im not mechanically minded, nor wealthy so was petrified of what would happen in regards to ownership, repair costs etc.
Took the plunge for a 550 at £52k. Kept for 2 years and then sold. I was lucky as prices rocketed soon after so I made a good profit though they kept rising for at least another year before seemingly falling back to the £90k mark now. As the last full manual model Ferrari made Im sure its a good investment even in these times. It delivered the sense of occasion I wanted but wasnt as shouty as other supercars which I also liked. I will admit that a lot of the time I owned it I was nervous. Driving in London/every warning light/strange sound etc brought butterflies and panic. Looking back it was pretty reliable, well built and if Im honest I miss it terribly. I did 1500 miles to Scotland and back before selling and it was just incredible. A memory I will cherish. So much so Id love another if I could ever afford one. I guess its a love/hate relationship but no other car has come close in terms of ownership. As they seem a similar price to 360/430 etc Id seriously consider, but dont go for red! I keep drooling over this one! https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
If anyone is bored I did a little video of my Scotland trip! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_-ph74EXpY And a very amateur review of my 550! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG2acpghrqw&t=...
It cost me about £2k in running costs I think. Cooling hose and thermocouple cable only issues really. Mine had the FHP which was a nightmare with London speed bumps so had to have it raised slightly.
Sounds good mate! I do like the 550/575Took the plunge for a 550 at £52k. Kept for 2 years and then sold. I was lucky as prices rocketed soon after so I made a good profit though they kept rising for at least another year before seemingly falling back to the £90k mark now. As the last full manual model Ferrari made Im sure its a good investment even in these times. It delivered the sense of occasion I wanted but wasnt as shouty as other supercars which I also liked. I will admit that a lot of the time I owned it I was nervous. Driving in London/every warning light/strange sound etc brought butterflies and panic. Looking back it was pretty reliable, well built and if Im honest I miss it terribly. I did 1500 miles to Scotland and back before selling and it was just incredible. A memory I will cherish. So much so Id love another if I could ever afford one. I guess its a love/hate relationship but no other car has come close in terms of ownership. As they seem a similar price to 360/430 etc Id seriously consider, but dont go for red! I keep drooling over this one! https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
If anyone is bored I did a little video of my Scotland trip! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_-ph74EXpY And a very amateur review of my 550! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG2acpghrqw&t=...
It cost me about £2k in running costs I think. Cooling hose and thermocouple cable only issues really. Mine had the FHP which was a nightmare with London speed bumps so had to have it raised slightly.
Edited by Claret Badger on Wednesday 11th April 14:00
mike01606 said:
If you want TDF with crema sport seats you may be lucky, or you may be after a unicorn......
Say 900 RHD cars in the UK, of that maybe 50 are TDF, 30 plus are probably F1 and of the remaining manuals, 5 might have sports seats and they come in 3 sizes.
I passed on a TDF manual just before I bought mine with sports seats (Crema with blue centres though), 13k mile, £46k in 2012. I'm not sure I've noticed one since for sale.
My comment on try on an F1 was based on your previous comment about it being slow etc....... A lot of nonsense is propagated by people who've never had one/driven one. I felt exactly the same until I tried one and now I wouldn't trade for a manual.
Well I will try one but after having my first auto in my current car (dsg) I haven’t been a fan and blue centres is a beautiful combo! There’s one with blue centres on autotrader at a Ferrari dealer! Please don’t upset me with prices at 46k I am seriously kicking myself over it lolSay 900 RHD cars in the UK, of that maybe 50 are TDF, 30 plus are probably F1 and of the remaining manuals, 5 might have sports seats and they come in 3 sizes.
I passed on a TDF manual just before I bought mine with sports seats (Crema with blue centres though), 13k mile, £46k in 2012. I'm not sure I've noticed one since for sale.
My comment on try on an F1 was based on your previous comment about it being slow etc....... A lot of nonsense is propagated by people who've never had one/driven one. I felt exactly the same until I tried one and now I wouldn't trade for a manual.
Pat H said:
When I checked yesterday, there were 45 F328s for sale in the PH classifieds. A lot of them have been for sale for a fair while.
Prior to the recent rapid increases in prices, there were typically fewer than 15 for sale.
I think that tells you all you need to know about how this will end.
yeah its a buyers market and they won't sell at over inflated pricesPrior to the recent rapid increases in prices, there were typically fewer than 15 for sale.
I think that tells you all you need to know about how this will end.
And my finances are sorted?!?
Point been what? I was taken advantage of by family and now it’s all sorted! And I’ve had a massive increase in my wages!
Edit: my promised rise was 350 and I ended up with an extra £1k after tax and been promoted within his company
People’s circumstances do change you know!
Lol!
And I’m hardly gonna bulls
t over a 12-20yr old car lol
Further edit: I’ve currently got 20k in savings my current car will sell and give me a further 20k and looking to finance the rest but between now and then will be increasing my savings! My life has completely changed! I’m taking my family to Florida next month and just enjoying myself! But time will tell won’t it! I will see what’s on my drive in the next 12-18 month!
Point been what? I was taken advantage of by family and now it’s all sorted! And I’ve had a massive increase in my wages!
Edit: my promised rise was 350 and I ended up with an extra £1k after tax and been promoted within his company
People’s circumstances do change you know!
Lol!
And I’m hardly gonna bulls
t over a 12-20yr old car lolFurther edit: I’ve currently got 20k in savings my current car will sell and give me a further 20k and looking to finance the rest but between now and then will be increasing my savings! My life has completely changed! I’m taking my family to Florida next month and just enjoying myself! But time will tell won’t it! I will see what’s on my drive in the next 12-18 month!
Edited by ghost83 on Wednesday 11th April 23:52
And my finances are sorted?!?
Point been what? I was taken advantage of by family and now it’s all sorted! And I’ve had a massive increase in my wages!
Edit: my promised rise was 350 and I ended up with an extra £1k after tax and been promoted within his company
People’s circumstances do change you know!
Lol!
And I’m hardly gonna bullst over a 12-20yr old car lol
Further edit: I’ve currently got 20k in savings my current car will sell and give me a further 20k and looking to finance the rest but between now and then will be increasing my savings! My life has completely changed! I’m taking my family to Florida next month and just enjoying myself! But time will tell won’t it! I will see what’s on my drive in the next 12-18 month!
Point been what? I was taken advantage of by family and now it’s all sorted! And I’ve had a massive increase in my wages!
Edit: my promised rise was 350 and I ended up with an extra £1k after tax and been promoted within his company
People’s circumstances do change you know!
Lol!
And I’m hardly gonna bulls
t over a 12-20yr old car lolFurther edit: I’ve currently got 20k in savings my current car will sell and give me a further 20k and looking to finance the rest but between now and then will be increasing my savings! My life has completely changed! I’m taking my family to Florida next month and just enjoying myself! But time will tell won’t it! I will see what’s on my drive in the next 12-18 month!
Edited by ghost83 on Wednesday 11th April 23:53
PGNSagaris said:
To me a troll is very much a fantasist and time waster. You in other words. However, in the spirit of fairness, I'd like to eat my words and a slice of humble pie so will wait with baited breath for the obligatory custard shots...
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