Zetec dropped a cylinder?

Zetec dropped a cylinder?

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tight fart

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Thursday 26th April 2018
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2L Zetec in a Caterham.
Car has been faultless then slowed at a junction and a misfire started.
I drove home 2 miles incase it refused to start after stopping to look .
No2 exhaust is cold, swapped the plugs and still cold, the plug is getting wet.
My compression tester won't fit as there's a collar before the thread starts and the the testers thread doesn't reach.
There is a spark.
I've new plugs on order but won't get a chance to investigate till Saturday so any help on what else to check would be good.
It runs on fuel injection.

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Tuesday 8th May 2018
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Only just had chance to try new plugs, also fitted a new coil pack in case.
No joy exactly the same, I'll get the cam cover off tomorrow and then check the injector.

I can't check compression with my tester as it won't reach the plug thread.

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Thursday 10th May 2018
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No compression on no2 cylinder, any thoughts on what to do, check next?

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Friday 11th May 2018
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Number 2 cylinder has lost all compression, I've had the cam cover off and everything looks ok. I suppose it's head off time.

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Friday 11th May 2018
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Thanks, It's odd as it sounded like a misfire whilst slowing for a junction, I was sure a plug had failed, then maybe a blocked or stuck injector.
I did put a rubber bung over the plug hole and there was pressue, and it felt quite a bit but when I eventually got a extension for my pressue tester
it fails to register on that bore at all.
I've taken the exhaust off and the valve bits I can see look fine.
The spark plug that came out showed no damage.
Ordered a borescope this morning that should arrive tomorrow

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Sunday 13th May 2018
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Camera from Amazon has only just arrived, first impression is the piston is fine with no damage.


Exhaust valves look ok but I don't think one of the inlet valves is closing properly, i should have a bit more time tomorrow to check.
This pick the valve should be fully closed.


The clean part of the valve stem at the top i would expect to be hidden?




Edited by tight fart on Monday 14th May 07:59

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Tuesday 15th May 2018
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Looks like a valve spring, One of the inlet ports on the dodgy bore is very easy to push down.

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Tuesday 15th May 2018
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227bhp said:
If it's double springs one could be broken.
Mind you he does say the port is easy to push so who knows confused
It's a 220BHP Dunnell Zetec, so it may be double springs.
I may try and measure the differance in force needed.

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Tuesday 15th May 2018
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dhutch said:
From this, I presume the cam cover is off?

Daniel
Yes

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Saturday 25th August 2018
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Finally got round to taking the head off, it went to a specialist to find the fault and it was a broken spring, no other damage done thankfully.
Should have the head back next week.

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Tuesday 18th February 2020
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This has really dragged on, car is still not going.

I got the rebuilt head back only to have no compression on number 3, Finally found time to look at it again
and the diagnosis was hydraulic valve buckets locked, so it all came apart and the buckets went off to be done.
Back together again and still loosing compression, ok with cams out.
So locked hydraulics again.

They are about to come out again, and thoughts on stopping it happening again?


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Tuesday 18th February 2020
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Yes spoken to the head builder and Paul today.
Thanks Peanut but the opposite seems to Be happening here, pumped up so not letting the valves close.
New ones appear to be the easy answer.

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Tuesday 18th February 2020
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Boosted LS1 said:
Remove followers and whack them on a hard surface. The plunger will fall out, eventually. Give them a clean and refit. That said I find it hard to believe a 'stuck' follower's holding a valve open.

Have you filled the port with wd40 to see if the valve's sealing?
Didn't try wd40 but with the cams out they all held air pressure (using an air line)
The followers all came out and went back to be de-hydrauilc'ed and with the cams back in it's not holding pressure.

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Wednesday 11th March 2020
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Finally sorted after nearly 2 years.
After taking the followers out and de hydraulicing again they were still sitting at different heights,
even with enough pressure on them to take out the slack. £130 for a new set and now all sounds good.
Just need some slightly better weather to road test it.