Number of Owners?
Discussion
So in the market for a Gran Turismo and wanted to get some insight into number of owners? Some im seeing have had e.g. 6 previous owners in 10years. Is this reasonable? One i like the look of has a good history just the number of owners is alittle off putting. What are peoples thoughts here?
Much appreciated.
Much appreciated.
Im looking for the 4.7 myself, i do abit of town driving but from all the reviews im seeing is the MC Shift is for me. It a weekend car really for me. I wouldnt mind confirming what the pre-2012 cars differ with? Ive seen seats? Apparently LED rear lights? Anyone else have experience with the MC shift compared to Auto? I had an M6 V10 before and liked the engagement with the car with driving, i had a CLS 63 AMG and just hated the paddleshift and just more a point and go kinda drive which is why i am leaning towards MC shift myself
Thanks for all the help here guys, i ended up putting a deposit down on a 4.7 MC Shift. I also got PrestigeDale to do a PPI which i highly recommend which has defo provided me some comfort (after some fun times in a TVR). Hopefully i can pick up this weekend 
Edited by BDM on Saturday 23 May 08:21
ab90 said:
When I had it serviced just after I bought it, the clutch was about 60% worn on the diagnostic readout, which are a good ballpark but not gospel. It's not due its second proper service in my ownership until August, so will find out the difference in wear readout then, but when it had my optional interim oil and filter change the specialist told me the clutch is still biting nicely and with the miles I do should last a good couple of years yet. At that time (Around October) they said all in a clutch change would be about £2.5k.
My car is still on its original clutch at 48k miles, so I think the wear and how long they last depends very much on how much you use it and how you drive it. I wouldn't recommend an MC Shift for daily use, they don't really like stop start traffic and given that the main point of wear for the clutch is pulling off from a stand still, you'd get through one pretty quickly. ZF Auto box is less maintenance in that respect, but if you want a car for weekends and occasions in my opinion the MC Shift is the one to get, its a much more involved driving experience and despite the bad press the F1 gearboxes get, I find once you learn how to drive with it its perfectly fine, just keep it in manual mode all the time as the auto function gives pretty jerky changes. On a spirited drive though, if you put it in manual and sport mode, once the box is warmed up it will enable MC Shift mode which basically means at over 80% throttle input over 5k rpm it will do 100m/s changes. Sport mode enables faster changes than non sport, but the MC Shift ones feel pretty instant. I've also heard of people putting the Ferrari 599 software in which can improve shifting as well, and you can buy a plug in box that effectively increases the response of the throttle that in turn makes the clutch bite quicker, reducing wear.
Another thing on the MC Shift cars is that exhaust valves are always open when in sport mode. With the auto boxes, even in sport mode the valves in the exhaust wont open until 3k rpms, unless you do the mod to open them all the time. Personally, I have mine permanently in manual and sport mode as I want the noise all the time, and I don't really like the slow non-sport shifts, the only time I would drive it like that is on the motorway.
With regard to the brakes, they were all done on my car at the service before I bought it, so should be good for a while yet. They are definitely something to consider when buying though, as they are quite pricey.
Other than those the other thing to look at now is the subframes, some of these are getting rust now and once they're done for they are eye watering to replace.
Other than a few points to look for(As with every car!) they are very reliable cars, and have seen plenty with 100k+ miles. You seem to have done your research though and know what to look for. I'd recommend having a PPI done by a specialist on any car you're considering buying though as there is a potential for big bills if things go unnoticed.
Fun things to recommend once you have one are an X pipe and wheel spacers. The X pipe really turns the noise up to 11 on sport mode, but barely affects it in non sport mode if you need to be quiet and is well worth doing in my opinion! And wheel spacers make it sit much better, and helps minimise the huge arch gap at the rear.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link to youtube but if you look for this video:
You can hear the shifting in MC Shift/Sport mode, the first is a 100m/s one and the ones after are just sport mode without enough input to the trigger the super fast shifts.
What spacers did you end up with 25mm front and 35mm back? Did you go for H&R? I would be looking at something like this also probably.My car is still on its original clutch at 48k miles, so I think the wear and how long they last depends very much on how much you use it and how you drive it. I wouldn't recommend an MC Shift for daily use, they don't really like stop start traffic and given that the main point of wear for the clutch is pulling off from a stand still, you'd get through one pretty quickly. ZF Auto box is less maintenance in that respect, but if you want a car for weekends and occasions in my opinion the MC Shift is the one to get, its a much more involved driving experience and despite the bad press the F1 gearboxes get, I find once you learn how to drive with it its perfectly fine, just keep it in manual mode all the time as the auto function gives pretty jerky changes. On a spirited drive though, if you put it in manual and sport mode, once the box is warmed up it will enable MC Shift mode which basically means at over 80% throttle input over 5k rpm it will do 100m/s changes. Sport mode enables faster changes than non sport, but the MC Shift ones feel pretty instant. I've also heard of people putting the Ferrari 599 software in which can improve shifting as well, and you can buy a plug in box that effectively increases the response of the throttle that in turn makes the clutch bite quicker, reducing wear.
Another thing on the MC Shift cars is that exhaust valves are always open when in sport mode. With the auto boxes, even in sport mode the valves in the exhaust wont open until 3k rpms, unless you do the mod to open them all the time. Personally, I have mine permanently in manual and sport mode as I want the noise all the time, and I don't really like the slow non-sport shifts, the only time I would drive it like that is on the motorway.
With regard to the brakes, they were all done on my car at the service before I bought it, so should be good for a while yet. They are definitely something to consider when buying though, as they are quite pricey.
Other than those the other thing to look at now is the subframes, some of these are getting rust now and once they're done for they are eye watering to replace.
Other than a few points to look for(As with every car!) they are very reliable cars, and have seen plenty with 100k+ miles. You seem to have done your research though and know what to look for. I'd recommend having a PPI done by a specialist on any car you're considering buying though as there is a potential for big bills if things go unnoticed.
Fun things to recommend once you have one are an X pipe and wheel spacers. The X pipe really turns the noise up to 11 on sport mode, but barely affects it in non sport mode if you need to be quiet and is well worth doing in my opinion! And wheel spacers make it sit much better, and helps minimise the huge arch gap at the rear.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link to youtube but if you look for this video:
You can hear the shifting in MC Shift/Sport mode, the first is a 100m/s one and the ones after are just sport mode without enough input to the trigger the super fast shifts.
AV55 said:
Its an Auction House, typically where dealers get their cars from, give me a shout if you want more details about that specific car, it is really cheap in comparison to anything out there 22k, and yes a lot in silver and black, as long as their not mated to the Trident alloys they seem ok
I have to say btw i saw a few colours including a light blue and actually preferred it in black with silver trim and actually like the trident alloys with red callipers 😯ab90 said:
I have a 2011 4.7 MC Shift.
Had it nearly 2 years now. I've done about 5k miles in it so far. Its still an event to drive every time, and still feels really special.
In terms of maintenance I've probably spent about a grand a year so far. It was due a service when I bought it, but I negotiated that into the price so didn't count that in the above figure. Later that year it needed front suspension bushes doing, which is quite common but cost me circa £1k at a specialist. Following year I opted for an oil and filter change and a sort of 'interim' service (Service schedule is 2 years or 12k miles.) I also had an X pipe fitted at the same time as that, again at the specialist and the bill was circa £1k. I've spent money on other things such as X pipe and wheel spacers but obviously that's personal choice.
That said, I haven't had a bill for anything on the car yet that I haven't completely forgot about the money as soon as I start it up !
Regarding number of owners... Mine had 6 previous owners but that didn't really bother me. You don't really stumble into ownership of one of these cars, you have to want one. All the owners of them I have come across really look after them (This may change now the value is coming down) But I personally look at it as you are generally buying the result of X amount of honeymoon periods rather than X amount of people who couldn't care less about it.
Hey mate random question what X-pipe did you buy and did you contemplate just cutting the resonator out and getting two single pipes welded? Do you also have any more videos of the sound? I watched your vid but have to be honest didnt really notice too much of the difference :-| i have been told though i need to do it. Lol. Who did your geometry by the way after your spacers were fitted? Thanks mateHad it nearly 2 years now. I've done about 5k miles in it so far. Its still an event to drive every time, and still feels really special.
In terms of maintenance I've probably spent about a grand a year so far. It was due a service when I bought it, but I negotiated that into the price so didn't count that in the above figure. Later that year it needed front suspension bushes doing, which is quite common but cost me circa £1k at a specialist. Following year I opted for an oil and filter change and a sort of 'interim' service (Service schedule is 2 years or 12k miles.) I also had an X pipe fitted at the same time as that, again at the specialist and the bill was circa £1k. I've spent money on other things such as X pipe and wheel spacers but obviously that's personal choice.
That said, I haven't had a bill for anything on the car yet that I haven't completely forgot about the money as soon as I start it up !
Regarding number of owners... Mine had 6 previous owners but that didn't really bother me. You don't really stumble into ownership of one of these cars, you have to want one. All the owners of them I have come across really look after them (This may change now the value is coming down) But I personally look at it as you are generally buying the result of X amount of honeymoon periods rather than X amount of people who couldn't care less about it.
Edited by ab90 on Tuesday 5th May 10:39
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