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Thanks. Mine has a bespoke Wortec map and I don’t have any complaints. Cold start, idle, cruising, WOT all feels spot on.
I hear about extraordinary dyno numbers from cars tuned by Luis and wonder what he does differently.
MWP have a couple of LSA VXR8s pushing out 850hp advertised on their web site and question the viability of such claims with nothing more than a cam swap.
I hear about extraordinary dyno numbers from cars tuned by Luis and wonder what he does differently.
MWP have a couple of LSA VXR8s pushing out 850hp advertised on their web site and question the viability of such claims with nothing more than a cam swap.
TerryS said:
Was that Mark Frisby? Whatever happened to him?
Yes, don’t know. Sends a shiver up my spine to think about him.Selling dynos by the look of it
http://www.dynodynamicsuk.com/about-us/
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 9th May 20:24
Janosh said:
I got mine done via Carl, but he’s equally happy to speak to people directly.
Got in touch with Carl and he seems like a nice chap. He uses EFI live and mine's been tuned with HPT, he'd also prefer to map it from scratch rather than tweak the current map, that's a pretty big step and to be fair to Wortec, there's nothing wrong with the way the car drives now. Especially as Paul originally spent a week with it on the road and dyno to get it right. I need to have a word with myself, stop messing with it and just drive it otherwise, I'm going to break a perfectly good car.Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 10th May 18:49
stu vxr said:
Can I ask Wormus since you had chiller fitted is this the reason for the re map?
Also having the chiller fitted can you report on difference.
If I could do mine over again I wouldn't go supercharged I would do cam with headers.
To much heat with a valley charger this time of year, and I have always had to be careful on how hard I drive mine in the summer.
The map has been checked and adjusted by Wortec to take the chiller into account and whist I haven’t got the car back yet, reports are it’s taken about 20 degrees out of the IATs. More importantly however, it should deliver the same power regardless of weather as it no longer relies on the front mounted heat exchanger to keep things cool. I’m told it’s no longer taking timing out or suffering from heat soak, which on a hot day would translate to a loss of around 100hp. I’ll do some proper testing when it comes back.Also having the chiller fitted can you report on difference.
If I could do mine over again I wouldn't go supercharged I would do cam with headers.
To much heat with a valley charger this time of year, and I have always had to be careful on how hard I drive mine in the summer.
Mezzell said:
That’s what I thought too.
I was told today by the guy that dyno’d it that does a lot of tuning for a company based near Brands Hatch that they’ve had cars that are ‘road mapped’ that then make a lot more power after a proper dyno map.
I was hoping for nearer 500bhp with the mods I’ve got.
And yes, that’s output at the crank.
A lot of cars are mapped for road use and finished on the dyno. The skill is in making it drive properly including cold start.I was told today by the guy that dyno’d it that does a lot of tuning for a company based near Brands Hatch that they’ve had cars that are ‘road mapped’ that then make a lot more power after a proper dyno map.
I was hoping for nearer 500bhp with the mods I’ve got.
And yes, that’s output at the crank.
Mezzell said:
I’ve since spoken to Carl Herkes and he’s quoting a similar figure but wants the car for a week!!!
To be fair, that sounds quite normal and Wortec did the same with mine. They need to get it to run right on the road so it doesn't want to stall at junctions, starts and idles from cold etc. Only way to do that is drive the car about for a few days, the dyno bit is just to finish it off at the top end. As I said before, Carl will want to map the car from scratch so I think a week is normal. I'm not sure how you can map a car from scratch on a dyno in a day.stevieturbo said:
That's one thing about remote mapping.
It is more labour intensive, requires people at both ends and in this case is not helped by the time differences.
But if it gives a better result that those locally trying to map....it could well be worth it.
I’d contest that, depends how you define “better”. Mine certainly starts, idles and drives perfectly. Still makes decent power too.It is more labour intensive, requires people at both ends and in this case is not helped by the time differences.
But if it gives a better result that those locally trying to map....it could well be worth it.
Mezzell said:
Don’t get me wrong. My car starts, idles (cold and hot) and drives very well. I’m not in any position to say that one map is or will be better than another. But, like I’ve said before, with the mods I’ve got I’d expect more power than I currently have and, although I obviously didn’t buy the car for its green credentials, I would also like to see my average fuel consumption above 12mpg!!
Carl has explained to me that depending how deep you delve can make big differences. He started mentioning fuel trims and various other things that went right over my head!
I know it’s a fair bit of money but to say that he won’t charge me if I don’t see a noticeable difference gives me confidence.
As I’ve changed no parts at all and currently have a Wortec map, I’ll be able to give you an honest opinion as to whether or not I feel that the difference is worth the money or not.
Sounds like something is wrong if you are only seeing 12mpg. If it’s a Wortec map (as is mine), it will be tuned with HPT, path of least resistance would be to call Paul Spinks, the guy who tuned it and ask his opinion. I’ve found him honest and willing to answer questions. He also tuned all the Monkfish cars. PM me if you want his number. Carl has explained to me that depending how deep you delve can make big differences. He started mentioning fuel trims and various other things that went right over my head!
I know it’s a fair bit of money but to say that he won’t charge me if I don’t see a noticeable difference gives me confidence.
As I’ve changed no parts at all and currently have a Wortec map, I’ll be able to give you an honest opinion as to whether or not I feel that the difference is worth the money or not.
Mezzell said:
Bottom line is, I think my car needs mapping properly, from scratch. I’m not even sure it was mapped since the cam was changed.
Whether Wortec do it or I give it to Carl and let him and Luis sort it, I think the cost will be similar but there will definitely be increases to be made across the board.
As has been said already, you can spend thousands on performance upgrades but without the right mapping, you won’t get the best from them.
If it hasn’t been remapped since the cam was changed, that’s something entirely different! You say it’s been mapped on the road which is quite normal and exactly what Carl is talking about when he says he’ll drive it to work and back for you! That’s about getting it to drive nicely, like a normal car. The dyno part is to do the top end, tweak fuel and spark timing to get the power number you are looking for. Half a day on the dyno (£2-300?) if it hasn’t been done already. To be honest, I’d give the guy who mapped it a call, he’ll know all about it. You can then make an informed choice.Whether Wortec do it or I give it to Carl and let him and Luis sort it, I think the cost will be similar but there will definitely be increases to be made across the board.
As has been said already, you can spend thousands on performance upgrades but without the right mapping, you won’t get the best from them.
Mezzell said:
stevieturbo said:
wormus said:
I’d contest that, depends how you define “better”. Mine certainly starts, idles and drives perfectly. Still makes decent power too.
So does a standard car.Bonnie and Clyde said:
Wormus 
how are? you. What's changed on here, any of the old gang left ?
Hi Mel, I’m fine thanks, how are you? Not much happening here these days and a few of us dip in and out. Lots of new people though and it’s nice to see new owners still enthusiastic about the cars. What are you driving now? how are? you. What's changed on here, any of the old gang left ?Mezzell said:
Hey wormus!
You’ll be pleased to know that my car is booked in with Wortec on the 30th of June.
It’s going to have a health check, map refresh and a dyno run.
Paul reckons I should be driving home with around 100 more ponies!!
He said that because the car is mafless, the map won’t refresh as things wear and change so it may, moving forward, be something I have to do every so often to keep things up to date. But at £350 it won’t break the bank.
Thanks for your advise on this matter. You’ve not only saved me a fair bit of money but instead of leaving my car in Southampton for a week, I have nice drive down to Goodwood, a chance to meet Paul and I’ll be on my way home the same day!
This sounds like a great outcome. He recently logged my car and compared to the ones he’d done before, not much had changed but he did tweak it for the chiller I had fitted. He’ll definitely be able to improve on 12mpg ! Good luck.You’ll be pleased to know that my car is booked in with Wortec on the 30th of June.
It’s going to have a health check, map refresh and a dyno run.
Paul reckons I should be driving home with around 100 more ponies!!
He said that because the car is mafless, the map won’t refresh as things wear and change so it may, moving forward, be something I have to do every so often to keep things up to date. But at £350 it won’t break the bank.
Thanks for your advise on this matter. You’ve not only saved me a fair bit of money but instead of leaving my car in Southampton for a week, I have nice drive down to Goodwood, a chance to meet Paul and I’ll be on my way home the same day!
Edited by Mezzell on Thursday 11th June 11:56
Mezzell said:
The car’s already been mapped by Wortec and it runs superbly. It just missed out on the final power runs being done and has also had a cam change since the map.
I’ll see what happens on the 30th but after speaking to Paul there’s no doubt in my mind that to spend £410 with him to health check and remap my car on the dyno is the way to go.
And that’s your problem. Cam changes everything and I’m not surprised it’s not running terribly well if it’s not been tuned since.I’ll see what happens on the 30th but after speaking to Paul there’s no doubt in my mind that to spend £410 with him to health check and remap my car on the dyno is the way to go.
Bonnie and Clyde said:
Hi Wormus, Col and I got married on a beach in St Lucia two years ago and we're really good thankyou.
Still driving the VXR8 and loving it
Do you still have the Monaro?
Good to hear you tied the knot! Yes I still have my Monaro. Doubt I’ll ever sell it. Good to hear from you.Still driving the VXR8 and loving it
Do you still have the Monaro?
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