Hmmm Interesting... T350T
Discussion
I hope I can post some comments on here without being haranged (sic) by some of the more aggressive members of Pistonheads.
This may be my first post on here, but I have followed the advice of the wise and visited without commenting for some time.
I have a T350T on order (motorshow) that is due for 'early' delivery.
I've noted comments (in amongst the slanging matches) from others who have T's on order (RODS, 999 are a few that spring to mind) that confirm what I too am being told. I was given a May delivery - in good faith no doubt - but have now been told July/August.
Personally I'm happy to wait, but in the meantime the acid remarks of some P'headers who seem happy to argue over facts provided by actual customers is somewhat frustrating to say the least.
It seems that the factory are giving dealers information about the customer cars that are on the top of the build list and that any other information obtained via 'top sources' excepting Hatchn (who spoke to the boss himself) is in the most part inaccurate (and in some cases is outright unhelpful).
You may ask the point of this post ? Well I'm just requesting that any of those T customers out there who have news they wish to share about build dates, specs etc, don't feel that they are pariahs merely because they express a view or pass on information that differs from the opinions or news passed by others.
I could from memory quote the names of those whose attitudes towards what will inevitably be yet another excellent TVR, are negative to say the least, but I'm with Christof - Lets stick to fair debate and cut the personal mud flinging.
I'm looking forward to driving the T, whether or not the removable panels cost £2000 extra (don't think they're that much anyway), or if the wind buffets with the panels out, or even if the petrol filler trim falls off. Who knows - the Performance Pack may assist in alleviating the little niggles (if the chq book can stretch to the extra few grand!!)
I also look forward to checking this thread to see whether some can bite the bullet or not!! Testing time in deed.
edited to get the smiley right!
>>> Edited by Tivster on Wednesday 4th June 19:51
This may be my first post on here, but I have followed the advice of the wise and visited without commenting for some time.
I have a T350T on order (motorshow) that is due for 'early' delivery.
I've noted comments (in amongst the slanging matches) from others who have T's on order (RODS, 999 are a few that spring to mind) that confirm what I too am being told. I was given a May delivery - in good faith no doubt - but have now been told July/August.
Personally I'm happy to wait, but in the meantime the acid remarks of some P'headers who seem happy to argue over facts provided by actual customers is somewhat frustrating to say the least.
It seems that the factory are giving dealers information about the customer cars that are on the top of the build list and that any other information obtained via 'top sources' excepting Hatchn (who spoke to the boss himself) is in the most part inaccurate (and in some cases is outright unhelpful).
You may ask the point of this post ? Well I'm just requesting that any of those T customers out there who have news they wish to share about build dates, specs etc, don't feel that they are pariahs merely because they express a view or pass on information that differs from the opinions or news passed by others.
I could from memory quote the names of those whose attitudes towards what will inevitably be yet another excellent TVR, are negative to say the least, but I'm with Christof - Lets stick to fair debate and cut the personal mud flinging.
I'm looking forward to driving the T, whether or not the removable panels cost £2000 extra (don't think they're that much anyway), or if the wind buffets with the panels out, or even if the petrol filler trim falls off. Who knows - the Performance Pack may assist in alleviating the little niggles (if the chq book can stretch to the extra few grand!!)
I also look forward to checking this thread to see whether some can bite the bullet or not!! Testing time in deed.
edited to get the smiley right!
>>> Edited by Tivster on Wednesday 4th June 19:51
Bodo said: To enlighten this thread in advance, I have to remember, that if the T doesn't look like this,
it's probably an FHC with sunroof
Bodo, so I guess the early Porsche Targas with the removable panels sitting either side of the centre piece were also FHC's but without the added safety of the all round roll bar...?
I guess from your smiley that you jest... I hope you're not trying to instigate yet another T thread argument already...
pies said: Hi Tivster cant offer any advice as i've never driven one ,but the t350c does look good and no doubt the T version will look equally as good if not better,
any how just wanted to say hi so here goes
Helloand wellcome
P.S keep using those smileys there very useful
Cheers Pies!
bennno said:
Thats clever, start a new thread in such a way as to stimulate a response and stir up an arguement!
I think as its just a t350c with a pair of small sunroofs its not unrealistic to expect it to be out in July or August.
Bear in mind some of the people whom doubted it would be out in May have now been proven right!
Hopefully some of you guys will get your t350t's soon as a bit of fast driving will ease your frustrations and make you less up for pointless arguements on gassing.
Bennno
Bennno - at the risk of incurring your wrath (and therefore that of the moderators or so it appears to an outsider), I've go to say that the guys who in your previous posts 'insisted' that they would be getting delivery were merely posting what I too had been told - Confirmed May Delivery... now to criticise that fact in the manner in which it was is what I refer to as being unhelpful...
I hope that explains it a little better.
Anyway don't you have a C?
Are you looking to buy a T?
Cheers
Tivster
Is this thread being radically censored ?
What has happened to my previous post ? Why ahs it been deleted ?
Was there anything contentious ?
I'd like a reponse from whomever is responsible. I don't think I've ever participated in any forum that acts in this way, ever and I've been part of quite a few.(for those computer buffs out their try the ATI Video card forum over at Rage3d.com to get a taste of real spats)
I'll reitterate - this is a genuine post that pertains to be nothing more than it appears, so come on chap(esse)s - leave it alone!
If this continues being over - moderated, then I congratulate you Pistonheads on the securing the shortest membership ever.
What has happened to my previous post ? Why ahs it been deleted ?
Was there anything contentious ?
I'd like a reponse from whomever is responsible. I don't think I've ever participated in any forum that acts in this way, ever and I've been part of quite a few.(for those computer buffs out their try the ATI Video card forum over at Rage3d.com to get a taste of real spats)
I'll reitterate - this is a genuine post that pertains to be nothing more than it appears, so come on chap(esse)s - leave it alone!
If this continues being over - moderated, then I congratulate you Pistonheads on the securing the shortest membership ever.
christof said: Guys, can't fall into sleep...
Will be at the factory in 10 hours and will have some infos on the T350T and, hopefully, some pics.
Will share the info, when I'm back in Germany.
Peace...
Christof
Christof - get some good pics and post them up. A bit of inside information from someone the factory obviously respects would be most welcome.
Tivster
>> Edited by Tivster on Wednesday 4th June 22:44
PetrolTed said: I deleted the posts because I wanted the thread to get back on topic, not just degenerate into another argument between Flasher, Bennno and the latest contender. If you want to talk about T350T's then stay and talk, if you want to pursue a tired old argument with F&B then do it somewhere else.
'nuff said.
Ted, nice to hear back from you with an explanation, but its a bit much to have the posts just disappear without any comment.
I appreciate the 'keep it on track' attitude and agree about the tired arguments, but as I said at the start, I'd appreciate genuine posts and am after information not rumour or negativity!
I don't think I like being labelled as tje 'latest contender'. I have no intention of being sucked into those kind of arguements...believe me.
Tivster
This had me thinking....
the original two part S-roof which had overlapping flanges in the middle with rubber seals, could work if bastardised a little. Pins and locating slots at the leading edge and clasps internally at the trailing edge or even vice versa. Two pieces solves storage, the system is proven (just reversed from the S)and my old S did not have a leaky roof!!
As these panels are rigid, they may form part of the intended chassis stiffener overall, so when removed the whole structure may be less rigid, but I doubt whether that would be the case. I don't quite see the point of the central section otherwise....
The only other concession would be the larger 'hole' producing dare I say - more buffeting. The central strut in combination with the smaller apertures may introduce just enough interference to the airflow over the roof to cut down the buffeting...
Dunno really but it seems logical....
the original two part S-roof which had overlapping flanges in the middle with rubber seals, could work if bastardised a little. Pins and locating slots at the leading edge and clasps internally at the trailing edge or even vice versa. Two pieces solves storage, the system is proven (just reversed from the S)and my old S did not have a leaky roof!!
As these panels are rigid, they may form part of the intended chassis stiffener overall, so when removed the whole structure may be less rigid, but I doubt whether that would be the case. I don't quite see the point of the central section otherwise....
The only other concession would be the larger 'hole' producing dare I say - more buffeting. The central strut in combination with the smaller apertures may introduce just enough interference to the airflow over the roof to cut down the buffeting...
Dunno really but it seems logical....
bjwoods said: 999 was that last post really necessary, what were you trying to achieve.
Given that you are not driving your t350T that you agressively insisted that you would be driving in May. Against some gentle advice that (TVR have done this before to customers)it will probably be late,
Lots of owners in the past have been quoted on new model availabilty, it will be may, or june, now its definetly July, August etc - Griffith shown at 1990 motorshow, available 92, Griffith spped six orders eventually turning into a completely different car -tuscan - 3 years later on the road)
please lighten up, this board is just a discussion forum for car enthusiast. Would anyone be as agressive if they were just talking face - to face down the pub,
imho, of course ;-)
(edited to get to marks question)
the point that you are probably missing is a lot of people have expressed they would like a roadster TVR, but would (in their opinion) prefer the looks of the t350c front end compared to the tamora.
Personally the looks (now revised slightly) of the tamora have grown on me, but it can be a bit colour sensitive.
Whereas the t350 front end has looked good in all the colours I've seen.
I don't know why TVR could not do it they do seem to respond to customer demand (ie. if they dont get lots of new orderd for a new car shown at the motorshow, it tends not to make it in to production (cf Speed 8 and griffith shown at the same motorshow.)
After all the chimara/griffith (especially 500 versions) were virtually identical underneath, with just different body/cockpit styling.
B
>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 12th June 14:08
>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 12th June 14:21
I think 999 has made a point - though blunt.... However I want to ask what was the point of Marks post?
I personally don't think it achieved anything, nor asked/mentioned anything of value. I won't stand up for someone when they're wrong, but it seems to me that your response to 999 is slightly off centre itself.
If you read his posts - along with the other earlier T posts, and indeed the first post in this thread (mine), you will see that we (the early T customers) were all given the same information i.e. May delivery. So at the time these dates were quoted on this site, the information was indeed correct - so I think we need to take these comments in the context they were originally made...
In terms of lightening up, I'm afraid you're just having a dig cos 999 seems fair game....IMO he's asked what I was going to ask without resorting to wasting words.....
Tivster
>> Edited by Tivster on Thursday 12th June 15:03
Nubbin...why edit 999's post ?
If you didn't like it bin it, but to alter it is overstepping the mark IMO.
However back to the point - the small issue I had with Mark_BT52's post was the way he referred to the T's roof as a compromise and the T overall as an unneccessary addition to the range. Surely that is an opinion that can and should be challenged....It certainly wasn't supported by any explanation or evidence to support those comments
Christof's comments and those from Rods should really be the information that is talked about, cos that's what I for one would like to see.
However when someone appears from no-where and posts an easily misconstrued comment that could (did) get a reaction from someone else that's clearly fed up with the attitude of some on these forums then IMO
overzealous moderators actually worsen and prolong the problems..... no names no pack drill
Nubbin edit this if you must, but you'll only prove my point
Tivster
If you didn't like it bin it, but to alter it is overstepping the mark IMO.
However back to the point - the small issue I had with Mark_BT52's post was the way he referred to the T's roof as a compromise and the T overall as an unneccessary addition to the range. Surely that is an opinion that can and should be challenged....It certainly wasn't supported by any explanation or evidence to support those comments
Christof's comments and those from Rods should really be the information that is talked about, cos that's what I for one would like to see.
However when someone appears from no-where and posts an easily misconstrued comment that could (did) get a reaction from someone else that's clearly fed up with the attitude of some on these forums then IMO
overzealous moderators actually worsen and prolong the problems..... no names no pack drill
Nubbin edit this if you must, but you'll only prove my point
Tivster
apache said: feck me! why does this bloody car make everyone behave like schoolkids,piggin speak to each other as you would like to be spoken to yourself.......please
.
I thought the reason for the 350 was to build a track/road car, good aero and rigid chassis with cage, isn't it intended to supercede the Tuscan Racers?
To make it a convertable would mean binning the top half of the chassis which is the cage so putting in a removable panel is as good as it's gonna get.
A man that can see wood thru trees...!! Cheers Apache and well said.
Tivster
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