RSC - Blown V8 Vantage - Order yours Now
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RSC have done the last few tweeks on there V8 Vantage Blower conversion.
Looking like should exceed the numbers or the V12V fairly comfortably. So should be as good if not better than a V12V it does not have the whopping great lump in the front.
This will be rolled out worldwide and I here deposits next week will start to be taken from next week.
[This is nothing to do with those Paramount people in Slough!] - this is done properly.
If you are brave enough contact http://www.rsctuning.com/ or Stuart Dickinson (PH Profile name) on here.
You lot are truely Sad - christ just bringing you some information that many might find of interest.
If you do not know that this is out there how could you maybe look into it.
Ha it ain't my Company!!!! Can't help / inform some people!
maybe it might offend those that this will be faster and sweeter handling the the V12!
If you do not know that this is out there how could you maybe look into it.
Ha it ain't my Company!!!! Can't help / inform some people!
maybe it might offend those that this will be faster and sweeter handling the the V12!
And Vantages NEED this conversion as Pretty slow in std form (having a many a ride in mates) and the one that was Blown by the Burks at Paramount that could not do the conversion correctly and took mate car off him for 2 whole years and b
ksed it it (not back to std and they could not even do that right).
RSC have it sorted (it is breaking into the ECU - that alos controls the rest of the cars function not just a separate engine ecu - that would have made it alot easier). RSC say that have it cracked, and US punters would not stand for it unless it was Right.
ksed it it (not back to std and they could not even do that right).RSC have it sorted (it is breaking into the ECU - that alos controls the rest of the cars function not just a separate engine ecu - that would have made it alot easier). RSC say that have it cracked, and US punters would not stand for it unless it was Right.
George H said:
For what this all costs, would it not be easier to just get a V12V?
I don't understand how anyone can call a Vantage slow. I know it's not up there with the Ferraris/Lamborghinis, but it isn't in the same market as those. A 4.7 V8V in no means feels slow, and I imagine the new S improves that even more.
Also those wheels...
Just why...
Forgetthe wheels that is nothing to do with the SC coneversion - US punter like alot of Bling - so what.I don't understand how anyone can call a Vantage slow. I know it's not up there with the Ferraris/Lamborghinis, but it isn't in the same market as those. A 4.7 V8V in no means feels slow, and I imagine the new S improves that even more.
Also those wheels...
Just why...Have you see my profile, mate had his Vantage when I had my TVR with a 6 litre Chevy in it and yep it was slow in comparison, made a nice noise, but did not feel like it was going much. HUGE weight (1.7ish tons) hauled by a high reving 4.3 with not exactly massive torque felt slow.
He has a S3 Audi and that thing was as fast if not fast (easily faster on twisties) bar running it all out at the top end (i.e. license loosing zone).
It needed 400kg less weight or a shed load more power and torq from new at the weight they are.
4.7 might be a bit better but it ain't gonna run an RSC V8 or V12 close.
The b
ksed up Paramount one made 530bhp and sounded like Armegeddon (made my old toy seem quite!).Pwer to weight is / was PANTS.
I had heard from some one that knows these thing. I.e. does tuning in US and UK. That Aston owners in the Uk are open to bugger all tuning of their cars unless factory sanctioned.
We are talking cars out of warranty, or just doing it even in Warranty and the tuning firm then warranty the drivetrain parts.
Seem like he was right! UNREAL.
BTW many Astons back in the day (60's and 70's) had alot of tuning by non-factory firms as did alot first gen V8 (Maerak I thing designed engines) cars. Many 60's straight 6 road and weekend racers had alot of tuning back in the day.
Marsh Plant ring any bells!!
We are talking cars out of warranty, or just doing it even in Warranty and the tuning firm then warranty the drivetrain parts.
Seem like he was right! UNREAL.
BTW many Astons back in the day (60's and 70's) had alot of tuning by non-factory firms as did alot first gen V8 (Maerak I thing designed engines) cars. Many 60's straight 6 road and weekend racers had alot of tuning back in the day.
Marsh Plant ring any bells!!
George H said:
jellison said:
Marsh Plant ring any bells!!
No, it comes up with a crane hire firm - http://www.marshplant.com/
mikey k said:
JohnG1 said:
I do wonder how this will run under extreme stress situations? How many development miles and how much testing has been done? Did they run at low altitude in extreme heat? High altitude in extreme heat? In a series of linked high G corners?
My point - anyone with a set of spanners can bolt kit onto a engine and say "it works". But has it been tested fully and engineered to work reliably?
+1 My point - anyone with a set of spanners can bolt kit onto a engine and say "it works". But has it been tested fully and engineered to work reliably?
I have personal experience of this fitting a 12 psi super charger to my last car.
IMHO there are a few key considerations;
1) It MUST have real time air/fuel ratio monitoring from a wide band O2 sensor linked dymanically to the map. Tis will correct the issues John mentions plus a host of others (fuel quality, ambient temp, atmospheric pressure etc) This is THE biggest issue.
2) Power = heat so improvements MUST be made to the oil, gearbox and water cooling systems
3) Consideration needs to be given to the capability of the drive train and brakes to cope with the extra loads.
4) Another major stumbling block is integrating the required electronics in to the OEM electronics. It is getting hard with CanBus systems as it is essential a network of PC's and software driven
Som messing usually means other thing don't work (on my last car certain kits stopped the ABS and immobiliser working 
)The issue with the Vantage (and alot of modern cars now) is that there is just one central ECU and not a separate engine one (as wil alot of US modern level cars). This is the problem that the numbties at Paramount had in that (well they could not do it themselves) they subcontracted out to company that claimed they could breakinto the all encompassing ecu (that control engine and EVERYTHING else on the car) and just remap the engine as required. But as so many things oon the engine side in these daft modern cars then link acros to other areas of the ecu this was imcredibly hard - did I say 2 years of Vantage ownership lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RSC are saying they have all these issue solved and the engine runs like a OE one with no lumps or bumps in the torque power curve.
The Only one that has been done in the UK (and since put back to standard) made and easy 530bhp, EVO tested it when the owner said it was pointless as not finished mapping (drivable but not really "right"), but I presume Paramount wanted the press and they did the test. Obviously it was not a glowing report (mentally fast but lumpy as hell - er like the owner told them cos it was not finished yet!!!!!!!!
Rex Racer said:
At least the OP didn't say that their supercharged Vantage "pisses all over the V12V" as RSC did on 6speedonline. *eye roll*
That was maybe a tad much - as I hear the V12V is damn good, but with the same power and alot less weight over the front axle it ain't going to be worse!And they are talking in the US of having this as a $20k conversion - er excuse me but convert that (sure it will be more in daft Britain), but that is cheap as chips, if popping on a 3-5 year old AMV8 (say they go for 35-45), let say it is £20k inthe UK that is V12V busting (or at least as fast/good) for say 60k! Half price!!!
The Noise of the only one I heard was just the best thing ever - Mental - forget track day - like std but way deeper and WAY Louder (which I'm sure could be tweeked down to customer request) - that one had a big bore (front to rear full system on as part of the (test package).
jas xjr said:
George H said:
They used to own a racing team that raced astonsI was informed I get EXACTLY the reaction from the UK Aston fraternity as I'm getting. Supposed I should not be too surprised then!!
mikey k said:
jellison said:
Brakes are one thing I doubt the V8V will need, for a new /modern car that are some of the biggest I've seen and in std form don't have much to do / have an easy job, so plenty of room there (maybe maximum of a tad harder pad).
I disagree I've managed to fade mine driving round the alps 
bogie said:
on the brakes front I think the Vantage is pretty sorted too, most racers you see have done nothing more than swap pads to Pagid RS15 or similar
I agree with Mikey on this too; I ran a supercharged Honda K20A in the back of my old Elise, the conversion company were/are at the premium end of their market price wise, but a no quibble, whole drivetrain, 12 months warranty was provided for piece of mind (inc trackday use) ...now thats condfidence in your product
Id certainly want my engine given a "health check" by the installer and at least a 12 month warranty on the lot (bar wear items like clutch)
...still it dosent make financial sense to me unless it comes in less than £15K fitted though ...I really cant see many UK owners spending £20-20K on even a £40K 5 year old car and not having an engine warranty
maybe theres a market for it in the US, but it will be rare over here (unless the exchange rate goes back to 2:1 soon)
....personally Id sooner have a dedicated track toy for £25K rather than a bolt on blower on my road going sportscar
I'd think this would have to come with a drivetrain warranty or it would be a non-starter. I'm sure we will here. What i sthe big deal of spending 20k on a 40k SH car to get well over 100k performance.I agree with Mikey on this too; I ran a supercharged Honda K20A in the back of my old Elise, the conversion company were/are at the premium end of their market price wise, but a no quibble, whole drivetrain, 12 months warranty was provided for piece of mind (inc trackday use) ...now thats condfidence in your product
Id certainly want my engine given a "health check" by the installer and at least a 12 month warranty on the lot (bar wear items like clutch)
...still it dosent make financial sense to me unless it comes in less than £15K fitted though ...I really cant see many UK owners spending £20-20K on even a £40K 5 year old car and not having an engine warranty
maybe theres a market for it in the US, but it will be rare over here (unless the exchange rate goes back to 2:1 soon)
....personally Id sooner have a dedicated track toy for £25K rather than a bolt on blower on my road going sportscar
My earlier point about them being slow - let me clarify.
Not so much slow, more that I expected more (and I bet alot of owners did when they first got em), Awesome noise and lot sof Revs, but you never seem to really get a Kick or Punch that you'd expect (if you exclude the noise), they just don't go as fast as they should. Maybe the 4.7 helps.
Adam2S said:
jellison said:
'd think this would have to come with a drivetrain warranty or it would be a non-starter. I'm sure we will here. What i sthe big deal of spending 20k on a 40k SH car to get well over 100k performance.
jellyhead - You are just not comparing like with like here! A 40K V8 will be around 5yrs old. For the £100k you state for a V12V you will get a 2010 model most likely. Source yourself a 2010 V8V (same age) and you will find it will cost around £70k-£80k and then add the RSC blower kit and you end up with a £100k car again to compare to a £100k V12V. Now suddenly you see the RSC blower isnt the same great value and for my money I would stick with a factory V12V! Imagine if there were 5yr old V12V's out there too - once again the RSC conversion would suddenly look poor value for money!You cannot compare a tarted up 5yr old car with a 1yr old car offering "the same performance" out of the factory. I accept that the RSC is a viable option for somebody who wants V12V straight line performance but can't afford one and is prepared to run around in an old tarted up car. For anybody who can afford the V12V the buying a V8V and adding the RSC option isnt at all interesting.
So I am afraid that your statement of getting "£100k performance" or the RSC conversion being "better than a V12V" is just meaningless pub banter.
Aside from all that as pointed out by other posters, there is far far more to the V12V than just the power of the engine - and by your comments on the V12V's handling that it is clear to see that you havnt driven one!
I'm sure they are nice - No I have ZERO interest in modern cars.
But 1700kg - laughable.
George H said:
jellison said:
plitting hairs!!
I'm sure they are nice - No I have ZERO interest in modern cars.
But 1680kg - laughable.
This ruined V8V that you have on offer for us is only 30kg lighter. But you seem to keep forgetting that.I'm sure they are nice - No I have ZERO interest in modern cars.
But 1680kg - laughable.
Anyway - this coming from someone that has an Aston with the Roof cut of hardly helps (i.e. Cruising(!) rather than Driving!).
Pugsey said:
jellison said:
And way less weight hanging ou front (understeer)!
Ok I gave you a chance! But REALLY - you haven't driven a V12V have you. I mean DRIVEN not 'been in a mates'!I'll leave you to it. As for Quinny, go f
k yourself.- I'll leave anymore to RSC if they care to comment (but I can't see the UK being much of an Area worth bothing with for this Conversion).
Jock - Or should that be Cock.
"The majority of people rejected Jellison's proposal. Many of these people were clever, mechanically minded people who have an in-depth knowledge of AMs, Lotus, TVRs etc. They refused to back an untested idea. Just as they have with other untested ideas."
This was posted as a heads up for any Aston owners that might not be afraid to step out of the tightly constained box that having a "modern" Aston seem to put most of you in.
When you say knowledge of AMs, Lotus, TVR. I presume you have stripped down many of these brands and rebuilt them - if so (yep you might know something), if you have just taken your car to a dealer for work it will be doubtful you really know much other than gather it off of the Interweb!!!!!
"The majority of people rejected Jellison's proposal. Many of these people were clever, mechanically minded people who have an in-depth knowledge of AMs, Lotus, TVRs etc. They refused to back an untested idea. Just as they have with other untested ideas."
This was posted as a heads up for any Aston owners that might not be afraid to step out of the tightly constained box that having a "modern" Aston seem to put most of you in.
When you say knowledge of AMs, Lotus, TVR. I presume you have stripped down many of these brands and rebuilt them - if so (yep you might know something), if you have just taken your car to a dealer for work it will be doubtful you really know much other than gather it off of the Interweb!!!!!
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