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Heading up the M5 today saw this...
Thought it may be a DB11, except it had no DB11 type aero at the back, seemed shorter overhangs, and generally shorter overall.
The interior had a tablet type display coming out the dash, but looked different to the DB11 ( which I test drove Saturday)
The rear was much wider than the front, and the general look was more Vantage ( well DB10 actually) than the larger DB11.
There was a small lip spoiler on the rear, bit like a boxsters, although it did not go up and down with speed - down to 40 mph in the road works.
However I was driving and with the camoflage was hard to see the detail.
Reg was KU66 YDD - not much detail on DVLA checker other than Aston Martin and Black..
Thought it may be a DB11, except it had no DB11 type aero at the back, seemed shorter overhangs, and generally shorter overall.
The interior had a tablet type display coming out the dash, but looked different to the DB11 ( which I test drove Saturday)
The rear was much wider than the front, and the general look was more Vantage ( well DB10 actually) than the larger DB11.
There was a small lip spoiler on the rear, bit like a boxsters, although it did not go up and down with speed - down to 40 mph in the road works.
However I was driving and with the camoflage was hard to see the detail.
Reg was KU66 YDD - not much detail on DVLA checker other than Aston Martin and Black..
avinalarf said:
Your in luck......18 different shades of grey......6 different hues of black....
Apparently for the 2nd generation model in 2025 they're thinking of bringing in a very slightly brighter colour called " Slightly Brighter Grey ".
I'm sure Q will do you a nice green/red/orange for £12k extraApparently for the 2nd generation model in 2025 they're thinking of bringing in a very slightly brighter colour called " Slightly Brighter Grey ".
Johnny42 said:
I believe the previous engines were Ford derived, and developed by Cosworth. I think it's been a long time before Aston have truly developed their own engine, in house.
I'd be happy with a bespoke engine developed by Cosworth for AM, even if based on an existing block.
Would you really want an engine developed internally by a company, when they have no actual experience of doing the job?
As has been said, this would be economically impractical with today's emissions and economy concerns. And it would be unreliable.
TVR are doing this very thing with cosworth, does that make it a TVR engine? I'd be happy with a bespoke engine developed by Cosworth for AM, even if based on an existing block.
Would you really want an engine developed internally by a company, when they have no actual experience of doing the job?
As has been said, this would be economically impractical with today's emissions and economy concerns. And it would be unreliable.
If so, the using the base AMG engine but changing manifolds and tuning to create character is the same . It needs to feel different to AMG installations, i.e. Response, noise, power curve.
Just don't make it sound like an AMG, too uncultured in my book
codieskid said:
Hi all
Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
This is definitely the version I prefer. I like the aggressive designs and they have their place in the lineup, but the softer more classy look will suit a man of my vintage, I have no desire to thrash round a track and the current standard Vantage is very well judged between sportiness and svelte. Although I did like the AMR scheme you did Apologies for all the renders but I had another look at the sketches my last renders last night and I think the patent sketches might show the v12 version. The reason I think this is that it has the V12 bonnet bulge line on the bonnet and an aggressive styling. I think the standard V8 will have a softer look and not so much Vulcan styling. I would expect Aston to go for a more reserved look as even though the Vantage is the sportiest car in it's line up it also has to be beautiful and timeless like all Aston Martins should be. Therefore I think the standard car will look more like this
Thoughts?
Trev
garyhun said:
Agreed - very underwhelming.
Not sure it's progress...http://www.str8six.co.uk/car_sales/tuscan_mk1s/tus...
Now that was a design
Jon39 said:
( A late lunchtime for me today. )
As you have read Steven, my comments were about being fearful that the next economic downturn could result in a sudden drop in sales for AML (as happened in 2008), and how they would then cope with having a £500m debt.
Rob put forward the point, about AP appearing to be moving up market, to adopt the Ferrari business model and then the customers around the world would be so wealthy, that they continue buying ultra luxury sports cars during recessions.
I do admire Ferraris engineering, but it is not a car that I would want, so therefore know little about them. I just tried to see how much they cost. The starting point (probably before ticking options) seems to be £180,000.
Difficult at present to imagine, a future Vantage with a starting list price for UK buyers of £180,000 and the other models at higher prices. Almost double the current price levels. Perhaps Rob will be right, and Gaydon will be working flat out manufacturing the target 7,000 sports cars every year.
Can you see this, and are those new Aston Martin buyers amongst us, happy to order at considerably higher price levels?
Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 18th October 14:35
Is the brand stretching too far, from 120k Vantage to 250k ( excluding the specials). Can it be Ferrari exclusive and still "accessible " at the lower end.
For me the Vantage is affordable ( just), but a its whole different market sector with starting prices 180k +.
ajr550 said:
For me the Vantage is affordable ( just), but a its whole different market sector with starting prices 180k +.
I think the very latest entry level Ferrari (The Portofino) will have a list price in UK closer to £150k than £180k and comes with fold down hard top as standard.
Different cars but to me The Portofino is the direct competitor to the Vantage.
Interesting- the current vantage was a 911 competitor - with the current 911S at 87k, but now it's low end Ferrari at 120k start and upwards.I think the very latest entry level Ferrari (The Portofino) will have a list price in UK closer to £150k than £180k and comes with fold down hard top as standard.
Different cars but to me The Portofino is the direct competitor to the Vantage.
Definitely going up market .
would love a 450ho starter model sub 100k. Less tech but pure driving experience and beatiful. Guess I'll have to keep my V8V and watch its classic value go up
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