245hp vs 258hp
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So in 2011 the 530d F10 goes from 245hp to 258hp. Wikipedia shows us:
N57D30O0 2,993 cc (2.993 L; 182.6 cu in) 245 PS (180 kW; 242 hp)@4000, 540 N·m (400 lb·ft)@1750-3000 5000 2008
N57D30O1 2,993 cc (2.993 L; 182.6 cu in) 258 PS (190 kW; 254 hp)@4000, 560 N·m (410 lb·ft)@1750-3000 5400 2011
I'm interested to know how and what the differences are between the N57D30O1 and O2. The web searching so far doesn't really tell me much. Is it a remap or a whole different injection manufacturer or a different turbo unit etc etc?
Chaps?
N57D30O0 2,993 cc (2.993 L; 182.6 cu in) 245 PS (180 kW; 242 hp)@4000, 540 N·m (400 lb·ft)@1750-3000 5000 2008
N57D30O1 2,993 cc (2.993 L; 182.6 cu in) 258 PS (190 kW; 254 hp)@4000, 560 N·m (410 lb·ft)@1750-3000 5400 2011
I'm interested to know how and what the differences are between the N57D30O1 and O2. The web searching so far doesn't really tell me much. Is it a remap or a whole different injection manufacturer or a different turbo unit etc etc?
Chaps?
Which suggests to me that it's not just an improved map but likely a change in actual components. Did the F10 always have stop/start on the 6 cylinder cars?
Also does anyone know exactly when the combox was installed. Annoyingly the earlier cars of the first year didn't have it and then they did. It's a worthwhile advantage to have.
I guess if there was only a really definitive diary list of specification changes somewhere on the internet for the F10 that would be really useful. Can't find one though.
Also does anyone know exactly when the combox was installed. Annoyingly the earlier cars of the first year didn't have it and then they did. It's a worthwhile advantage to have.
I guess if there was only a really definitive diary list of specification changes somewhere on the internet for the F10 that would be really useful. Can't find one though.
I bought a F10 535d on an 11 plate in the end.
12000 miles in I have achieved overall 36.6 mpg but that does involve plenty of performance driving as I get to do a lot of 4am cross country blasts and I've been exploring the new cars envelope which with adaptive drive is very very very large indeed. A particular s bend was absolutely on the limit in my e60 without adaptive on msport suspension at 52mph and the F10 SE with adaptive goes around it at 65mph and I'm not even sure that is the limit. It's a massive improvement.
Anyway. On an 88 mile run to work I get 43mpg if I drive nicely and stick to 75mph on the motorway. If I press on but drive in a manner to which my wife would not object I get 40.6mpg. If I'm late and hoofing it I get 38mpg. It's a mix of B road, bypass, motorway and through a City centre.
For nearly 300bhp and the effortless and delightful nature of the power delivery I consider that very impressive for a full size saloon.
I loved my E39 523i, I liked my e60 530d but I love deeply my f10 535d. Can't see myself having any thing else for the next six years or so. I'll probably take this one around to 180,000 miles then buy an LCI replacement that will be made next year. I think Bmw hit one of their occasional sweet spots with the f10/11. It's a discreet executive saloon that's as smooth as a jaguar as well built as a Mercedes as nice inside as an Audi but looks subtler handsome has everything you need as standard and so far appears to have no known serious faults. Apart from ubiquity they are pretty much faultless.
I was even thinking about if I changed my work to do less miles whether I could get an M5. A nice used one for £40k offers an answer to virtually any motoring question you can reasonably ask short of towing a horsebox. Best car in the world ever? Mr Spock the petrol head would have to say yes.
Then I thought to be honest I rarely get to use every ounce of performance of the 535d and the 300 miles extra range per tank might actually be more important!
12000 miles in I have achieved overall 36.6 mpg but that does involve plenty of performance driving as I get to do a lot of 4am cross country blasts and I've been exploring the new cars envelope which with adaptive drive is very very very large indeed. A particular s bend was absolutely on the limit in my e60 without adaptive on msport suspension at 52mph and the F10 SE with adaptive goes around it at 65mph and I'm not even sure that is the limit. It's a massive improvement.
Anyway. On an 88 mile run to work I get 43mpg if I drive nicely and stick to 75mph on the motorway. If I press on but drive in a manner to which my wife would not object I get 40.6mpg. If I'm late and hoofing it I get 38mpg. It's a mix of B road, bypass, motorway and through a City centre.
For nearly 300bhp and the effortless and delightful nature of the power delivery I consider that very impressive for a full size saloon.
I loved my E39 523i, I liked my e60 530d but I love deeply my f10 535d. Can't see myself having any thing else for the next six years or so. I'll probably take this one around to 180,000 miles then buy an LCI replacement that will be made next year. I think Bmw hit one of their occasional sweet spots with the f10/11. It's a discreet executive saloon that's as smooth as a jaguar as well built as a Mercedes as nice inside as an Audi but looks subtler handsome has everything you need as standard and so far appears to have no known serious faults. Apart from ubiquity they are pretty much faultless.
I was even thinking about if I changed my work to do less miles whether I could get an M5. A nice used one for £40k offers an answer to virtually any motoring question you can reasonably ask short of towing a horsebox. Best car in the world ever? Mr Spock the petrol head would have to say yes.
Then I thought to be honest I rarely get to use every ounce of performance of the 535d and the 300 miles extra range per tank might actually be more important!
A friend of a friend works for Bmw power plant at hams hall as a design engineer. We had a chat recently and he said that the biggest hidden killer of mpg is cold temperature. Now I like to think I have a well developed sense of mechanic
Sympathy. I start my car, let it idle for ten second, gently move off, keep it on a light throttle and below 2200 rpm for a mile or two, speed up a bit but avoid flooring it until the water temp is in the normal range after a couple of more miles etc etc.
Apparently that's entirley the wrong approach.
Mate reckons it's fine to start, give it ten seconds at idle but after that you want to have it in sport mode gearbox and drive briskly to get heat into the engine block as quickly as possible. Avoiding the top 1000 rpm for the first five minutes would do no harm but basically the quicker you warm the the engine the quicker it is going to start delivering it's design consumption.
It's also better for the cat/dpf.
Sympathy. I start my car, let it idle for ten second, gently move off, keep it on a light throttle and below 2200 rpm for a mile or two, speed up a bit but avoid flooring it until the water temp is in the normal range after a couple of more miles etc etc.
Apparently that's entirley the wrong approach.
Mate reckons it's fine to start, give it ten seconds at idle but after that you want to have it in sport mode gearbox and drive briskly to get heat into the engine block as quickly as possible. Avoiding the top 1000 rpm for the first five minutes would do no harm but basically the quicker you warm the the engine the quicker it is going to start delivering it's design consumption.
It's also better for the cat/dpf.
Well we only get a water temp gauge so you have to use that as a proxy for oil temp.
I was brought up as a pilot to be very gentle with engines in the first thirty seconds after start. The thermal stress, the cold oil the manifold heat shock etc. But of course that was always on low tech, high capacity gasoline piston engines.
It seems with modern diesels the thermal shock isn't so great, the tolerances are higher and you want to be using plenty of revs within a few seconds of normal starting. I tend to sit, start, seatbelt on, small throttle blip, engage gear and drive off. Then within thirty seconds put it in sport for the first couple of miles.
One other thing he was pretty adamant about was not parking the car on full lock. Potential huge problems with the electric steering gubbins lies that way,
I was brought up as a pilot to be very gentle with engines in the first thirty seconds after start. The thermal stress, the cold oil the manifold heat shock etc. But of course that was always on low tech, high capacity gasoline piston engines.
It seems with modern diesels the thermal shock isn't so great, the tolerances are higher and you want to be using plenty of revs within a few seconds of normal starting. I tend to sit, start, seatbelt on, small throttle blip, engage gear and drive off. Then within thirty seconds put it in sport for the first couple of miles.
One other thing he was pretty adamant about was not parking the car on full lock. Potential huge problems with the electric steering gubbins lies that way,
They don't give you the seat thigh bolsters as large as the sport seats. I have big thighs and I find the sport seats after an hour or so cause me to ache because they force my legs too close together. Comfort seats allow a little more 'splay'. They serve up sufficient and adjustable cornering support by means of air bladder adjustable ribcage bolsters. Mine are set to perfectly fit my torso. You then have mid point and low point lumbar arch support which allows you to dictate the exact arch of the seat back. Lastly the top half of the seat tilts and as I am short 5'5" I have it tilted fully forward so the seat back follows a curved spine profile from coccyx to shoulder blade and the headrest is only two inches behind my head.
They do a few other bits and it all electric etc but essentially that is the key benefit. I'm an airline pilot so my day might involve being strapped to a flighdeck seat for 11 hours before I get into the car. I therefore really really appreciate a comfortable seat for the drive home.
I have adaptive drive, comfort seats, logic 7 and the twin turbos. Each for the first time on a five and I've had e39/e60's.
I would now never do without all four. Every other frill or gadget or finish I can take or leave but those four are essentials for me now. Unlimited thrust, comfort, bass and cornering speed. :-)
They do a few other bits and it all electric etc but essentially that is the key benefit. I'm an airline pilot so my day might involve being strapped to a flighdeck seat for 11 hours before I get into the car. I therefore really really appreciate a comfortable seat for the drive home.
I have adaptive drive, comfort seats, logic 7 and the twin turbos. Each for the first time on a five and I've had e39/e60's.
I would now never do without all four. Every other frill or gadget or finish I can take or leave but those four are essentials for me now. Unlimited thrust, comfort, bass and cornering speed. :-)
Edited by converted lurker on Monday 8th December 08:28
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