New 320d makes peak power at 5,500rpm
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/3-series/...
Wowzers hardly any different now to the Rev range of petrols who’d have thought it - years ago 3k and all was done now as per the article and journalist it headbuts the limiter
Engineering superb and 6.8 seconds to 62mph which will be the company car choice for many.
Wowzers hardly any different now to the Rev range of petrols who’d have thought it - years ago 3k and all was done now as per the article and journalist it headbuts the limiter
Engineering superb and 6.8 seconds to 62mph which will be the company car choice for many.
cerb4.5lee said:
Stu08 said:
Think it may be a typo.
Had a quick search and it states that peak power is 4000rpm for these...so it is definitely a typo I think. cerb4.5lee said:
That would be my worry in fairness and it is virtually impossible to get a diesel engine to feel/sound smooth on start up/at idle.
In my F10 535d 9 years old this Dec the engine is quiet inside the cabin maybe it’s the I6 and sound deadening.
LexyLex said:
Thankfully they won't be around for much longer. Diesel is finally going where it belongs, trucks and trains. Petrol, hybrid and electric for cars only and I cannot say I am sorry to see diesel cars getting harder to get - as a car lover I just cannot abide the things. I even have a clause in my will for my final journey to be a petrol powered hearse - not a diesel - that is how intensely I dislike them.
For the U.K. electric trucks would be ideal. We don’t have massive range requirements as were a tiny island with limitations on how long drivers can drive. Maximum torque for standstill no gears and the Tesla does 5.5 seconds to 62mph just the tractor not the 40tonnes. We will hopefully see ULEZ full of them. cerb4.5lee said:
Wiki and all the reviews I've looked at online state max power at 4000rpm. The 2 litre turbo 330i only makes max power at 5000rpm so there's no way that the diesel is higher than that.
Is Wiki talking about the press release car from a few days ago the twin turbo 320d or the old 320d single turbo?Also isn’t Wili just updated by anyone?
GroundEffect said:
It's a single turbo, twin entry.
Here's a graph for the power of the B47 engine, that's in the latest 320d.
It does NOT produce peak power at anything like 5500rpm, and look at how power falls off after 4000rpm...lovely...
https://www.bimmertoday.de/2017/11/20/bmw-baukaste...
Autocar got it wrong - also the Huron’s description of it being more powerful etc well the dunk simply doesn’t reflect it. Sadly a poor showing from Autocar on this one. Here's a graph for the power of the B47 engine, that's in the latest 320d.
It does NOT produce peak power at anything like 5500rpm, and look at how power falls off after 4000rpm...lovely...
https://www.bimmertoday.de/2017/11/20/bmw-baukaste...
Superflow said:
The lease and pcp revolution has been a godsend for the German manufacturers because it has negated the reliability factor to some degree which helps them with their problematic diesel units as they reach five/six years old by which time the pcp’ers have a new version and the car is then someone else’s problem.I would like to see Audi/Bmw/Merc follow Toyota and offer a five year standard manufacturer warranty,but it won’t happen because it would cost them too much money.
I’ve owned 2bmwsE90 330d auto 231bhp version. It was a 56 reg and I ran it until Oct 2013. It didn’t have a single issue.
F10 535d auto 300bhp version dec2010 still have it not a single issue.
I know a couple of other people who have the F30 330d and the F30 320d (big Miles) not a single issue (well the 320d has a few accidents but reliability no issue).
So I’ve direct experience of 130k miles in 4+ year old BMW diesels and others again with no issue
Either I’m a lucky sod - no I’m not - or tinternet amplifies a non issue. I wonder if all those who have derv BMWs posted up how reliable / workhorse like their cars are then it might change your view? Then again I’ve a suspicion “u turn if you want to this lady’s not for turning”
Superflow said:
Bmw are consistently near the bottom of all the major reliability surveys for a reason it is not a conspiracy.The collective mass denial in the UK regarding the facts around this are amusing and bizarre,They’re a good ownership prospect in the short term,but for the long term not a chance.
As per your garage you’ve not owned a BMW as such your input is not personal experience instead Chinese’s whispers How were the head bolts in your C63 AMG? Why did you buy such a car with a known issue?
Shiv_P said:
No doubt it'll have some sort of problem in a few years. Egr, timing chain, BMW always find something to f
k with their 4 cyl engines
Given you e only had Fords I wouldn’t worry about abNWs. k with their 4 cyl enginesMy experience with Ford is the ST Mindy diesel EGR failed on it only had the car months.
So woeful reliability ditto the hearted screen fubar it needed a stone chip to replace the screen to get it working - oh never mind our S Max heated front screen doesn’t work either dire reliability on Fords
Fastdruid said:
Personally even though it makes the power up there I dislike the feeling of an engine that is making power while losing torque. Which makes the "power band" still only 1000rpm wide.
I'll stick with my petrol turbo thanks. Even though it makes less torque.
When you own a GT40 frankly you’ve earned the right to say anything about a dagadaga diesel. Well played hope you bring it out to events to share such a great machine I'll stick with my petrol turbo thanks. Even though it makes less torque.
LexyLex said:
Again, you are missing my point. The majority of cars in this class are company funded, I’ve ran two 4 pots BMW’s as company cars, probably a quarter of a million miles between them and neither engines self destructed. In fact, so happy was I that they were a quality product, the next two private purchases I made were 3 series, albeit with 6 pots. The rear drive chassis, IMO, gives the car a better balance, but you already know that. As an additional point, all of the BMW i’ve owned or had use of have been far better screwed together than the Mercedes I’m currently using as a daily.
- Great - happy it worked well for you
We’ll agree to disagree, but this suggests you’ve either not driven a modern 3 series, or are so blinkered in your opinion that you have lost perspective. I’m not suggesting that everyone should love them, but I’d be surprised if anyone test drove one and didn’t concede that they were at least a very, very capable car.
- wrong - an F30 and E90. The E90 I found was more fun to drive but really they were both neither fish nor foul. I'd rather have a hot hatch or a more out and out luxurious car.
- Obviously your opinion with regard to car choice. I’ll stretch the point a little here but was the E30 318is not a drivers car then?
- LOL - good point but generally speaking - I should have qualified that with diesel engines.
I will agree with you one one point though, the Mercedes C class I bought...Your right, it’s not very good. I thought i’d try one for a change and it was a mistake. A 3 series is a better car on almost every measurable level.
- yep - they're just crap. I'd look at a Stinger 3.3 next time the more I think on it.
Are you a millennial?- Great - happy it worked well for you
We’ll agree to disagree, but this suggests you’ve either not driven a modern 3 series, or are so blinkered in your opinion that you have lost perspective. I’m not suggesting that everyone should love them, but I’d be surprised if anyone test drove one and didn’t concede that they were at least a very, very capable car.
- wrong - an F30 and E90. The E90 I found was more fun to drive but really they were both neither fish nor foul. I'd rather have a hot hatch or a more out and out luxurious car.
- Obviously your opinion with regard to car choice. I’ll stretch the point a little here but was the E30 318is not a drivers car then?
- LOL - good point but generally speaking - I should have qualified that with diesel engines.
I will agree with you one one point though, the Mercedes C class I bought...Your right, it’s not very good. I thought i’d try one for a change and it was a mistake. A 3 series is a better car on almost every measurable level.
- yep - they're just crap. I'd look at a Stinger 3.3 next time the more I think on it.
f1nn said:
LexyLex said:
- wrong - an F30 and E90. The E90 I found was more fun to drive but really they were both neither fish nor foul. I'd rather have a hot hatch or a more out and out luxurious car.
That may be so, but the majority of purchasers/company car choosers wouldn’t be choosing from each end of that spectrum.However you must live in a part of the country with low volumes on the roads as my way SE it’s solid so even if you wanted to press on during your commute it would be mighty difficult / once in a blue moon situation.
Mr Tidy said:
Yes, Autocar got it painfully wrong - according to Wiki peak power was at 4,000 rpm, which seems more likely! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_3_Series_(F30)
I definitely prefer my E90 330i with the N52 engine that makes peak power at 6,600 rpm!
Have Wiki been invited to test it? Car isn’t yet available to public it’s jurnos only - I could post in Wili and say it revs to 10k doesn’t make it true but Autocar (Haymarket old owners of this website are exceptionally honest and. Irrent MODS wouldn’t disagree. I definitely prefer my E90 330i with the N52 engine that makes peak power at 6,600 rpm!
Grizaloc with the DTUK tuning box is that simply plug and play under the steering wheel a couple of mins or less to clip it in? Or is it much more involved than that?
We have the same car (well F10 535d) and with itchy feet about changing the car purely on wanting more performance (and a V8 petrol rumble) I’m wondering if it will scratch one itch and keep me satisfied with it for a bit longer.
On your fuel front - aware you’ve the estate vs my saloon but I appear to be getting the same mpg as you with a 535d v 520d 10 reg vs your 15reg.
We have the same car (well F10 535d) and with itchy feet about changing the car purely on wanting more performance (and a V8 petrol rumble) I’m wondering if it will scratch one itch and keep me satisfied with it for a bit longer.
On your fuel front - aware you’ve the estate vs my saloon but I appear to be getting the same mpg as you with a 535d v 520d 10 reg vs your 15reg.
But then you have steam power fiddly BHP but enormous torque it simply chugs up the incline
Anyway as Shelby states torque wins races powers gives you top speed.
Back on topic is it now agreed that Haymarket (Autocar) have a typo and it should read 4,500rpm for peak torque and piwers
Anyway as Shelby states torque wins races powers gives you top speed.
Back on topic is it now agreed that Haymarket (Autocar) have a typo and it should read 4,500rpm for peak torque and piwers
gizlaroc said:
Welshbeef said:
Grizaloc with the DTUK tuning box is that simply plug and play under the steering wheel a couple of mins or less to clip it in? Or is it much more involved than that?
We have the same car (well F10 535d) and with itchy feet about changing the car purely on wanting more performance (and a V8 petrol rumble) I’m wondering if it will scratch one itch and keep me satisfied with it for a bit longer.
On your fuel front - aware you’ve the estate vs my saloon but I appear to be getting the same mpg as you with a 535d v 520d 10 reg vs your 15reg.
On my car the tri channel box monitors boost, injection and cam shaft sensor. I have had 3 of them now on various cars and have preferred them to a map, mainly because I can adjust the tourque curve and power available. We have the same car (well F10 535d) and with itchy feet about changing the car purely on wanting more performance (and a V8 petrol rumble) I’m wondering if it will scratch one itch and keep me satisfied with it for a bit longer.
On your fuel front - aware you’ve the estate vs my saloon but I appear to be getting the same mpg as you with a 535d v 520d 10 reg vs your 15reg.
Yeah, MPG wise it is disappointing, but my 530d used to say 40mpg and reality was more like 34 when calculated. So it is a good 30% better than that doing the same, which I guess is fair enough.
But if you want to really save money mpg wise you need a smaller lighter car as well.
Mr Tidy said:
Well maybe because Autocar introduced a typo if you read a bit further down from your post!
Someone else posted that it had a red-line at 5,000 rpm, so 5,500 isn't going to happen - back to Wili for you!
Mine revs beyond the redline - the limited/cutout is not where it goes red but into it. Someone else posted that it had a red-line at 5,000 rpm, so 5,500 isn't going to happen - back to Wili for you!
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