Buying 160k mileage N52

Buying 160k mileage N52

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Giggss

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3 posts

57 months

Saturday 17th August 2019
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As the title says I'm looking at a very high mileage N52 and would never consider a car with this mileage, however I only hear and see good things about the N52 and for an E92 330i with all the options I could want for only £3.7k I think it's a bargain. Even if bits were to go wrong the other 330i's are £2k more so I have a big buffer for repairs and MODS!

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this and whether this is a good deal or I've gone completely insane?

g3org3y

20,658 posts

192 months

Saturday 17th August 2019
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I'd suggest it depends on the maintenance/SH over that 160k.

Frequent oil changes = no problem imo.

When was the last time the water pump was done? If not for a while, I'd definitely budget for that.

Watch out for leaks (sump pan, oil filter housing, valve cover).

BMW 6 cyls for the most part are very decent and robust units. My M20 325i went to 190k and M52 328i to 214k before both sold.

helix402

7,890 posts

183 months

Saturday 17th August 2019
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It’ll be fine but have oil leaks if they haven’t been already fixed.

I know one N52 on the original water pump heading for 200k.

Touring442

3,096 posts

210 months

Saturday 17th August 2019
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Giggss said:
As the title says I'm looking at a very high mileage N52 and would never consider a car with this mileage, however I only hear and see good things about the N52 and for an E92 330i with all the options I could want for only £3.7k I think it's a bargain. Even if bits were to go wrong the other 330i's are £2k more so I have a big buffer for repairs and MODS!

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this and whether this is a good deal or I've gone completely insane?
A 160k 325i is £2500 tops. £3700 will get you a 90-100'000 mile example.

The water pump is the cheap bit. Google 'N52 camshaft ledge wear' - you'll need a very big buffer to fix that.

Mr Tidy

22,530 posts

128 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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If it is exactly what you want in terms of spec, etc. I wouldn't necessarily be put off by the mileage, so long as the history and condition were good - but I'd try to get it for a bit less! (My current 55 plate E90 330i cost less than that on 107K miles in March).

FWIW I sold an E91 325i with the N52 engine earlier this year that was still running really sweetly at 139K miles.

Andy70

1,113 posts

160 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Touring442 said:
Giggss said:
As the title says I'm looking at a very high mileage N52 and would never consider a car with this mileage, however I only hear and see good things about the N52 and for an E92 330i with all the options I could want for only £3.7k I think it's a bargain. Even if bits were to go wrong the other 330i's are £2k more so I have a big buffer for repairs and MODS!

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this and whether this is a good deal or I've gone completely insane?
A 160k 325i is £2500 tops. £3700 will get you a 90-100'000 mile example.

The water pump is the cheap bit. Google 'N52 camshaft ledge wear' - you'll need a very big buffer to fix that.
I must say I haven't checked the prices recently, but I thought that seemed expensive, I payed around 3k a couple of years ago for one with 90000 on the clock and as far as I know prices aren't rising on such cars or am I wrong?? and I sold mine do to camshaft ledge wear and even done on the cheap (and believe me I'm an expert at that) it was still a big bill, that's assuming you can find someone to take it on. where I live even so called BMW specialists didn't want to know, however I think that was a result of poor maintenance in the past. I drive a nice 335i running 370-380hp ish (not finished with it yet, and that power didn't cost much. and they are a bit cheaper these days



Andy70

1,113 posts

160 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Andy70 said:
Touring442 said:
Giggss said:
As the title says I'm looking at a very high mileage N52 and would never consider a car with this mileage, however I only hear and see good things about the N52 and for an E92 330i with all the options I could want for only £3.7k I think it's a bargain. Even if bits were to go wrong the other 330i's are £2k more so I have a big buffer for repairs and MODS!

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this and whether this is a good deal or I've gone completely insane?
A 160k 325i is £2500 tops. £3700 will get you a 90-100'000 mile example.

The water pump is the cheap bit. Google 'N52 camshaft ledge wear' - you'll need a very big buffer to fix that.
I must say I haven't checked the prices recently, but I thought that seemed expensive, I payed around 3k a couple of years ago for one with 90000 on the clock and as far as I know prices aren't rising on such cars or am I wrong?? and I sold mine do to camshaft ledge wear and even done on the cheap (and believe me I'm an expert at that) it was still a big bill, that's assuming you can find someone to take it on. where I live even so called BMW specialists didn't want to know, however I think that was a result of poor maintenance in the past. I drive a nice 335i running 370-380hp ish (not finished with it yet, and that power didn't cost much. and they are a bit cheaper these days

OK I just checked autotrader and done a search for e90 330i and the first manual I saw was 125000 for £2500 before I even started looking, there was an auto box with less mileage for less money

Touring442

3,096 posts

210 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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E9* era cars have just gone now. Old age is catching up with them and anyone informed knows how much they can cost to fix - often close to the actual value of the car.

bmwmike

6,985 posts

109 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Andy70 said:
Touring442 said:
Giggss said:
As the title says I'm looking at a very high mileage N52 and would never consider a car with this mileage, however I only hear and see good things about the N52 and for an E92 330i with all the options I could want for only £3.7k I think it's a bargain. Even if bits were to go wrong the other 330i's are £2k more so I have a big buffer for repairs and MODS!

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this and whether this is a good deal or I've gone completely insane?
A 160k 325i is £2500 tops. £3700 will get you a 90-100'000 mile example.

The water pump is the cheap bit. Google 'N52 camshaft ledge wear' - you'll need a very big buffer to fix that.
I must say I haven't checked the prices recently, but I thought that seemed expensive, I payed around 3k a couple of years ago for one with 90000 on the clock and as far as I know prices aren't rising on such cars or am I wrong?? and I sold mine do to camshaft ledge wear and even done on the cheap (and believe me I'm an expert at that) it was still a big bill, that's assuming you can find someone to take it on. where I live even so called BMW specialists didn't want to know, however I think that was a result of poor maintenance in the past. I drive a nice 335i running 370-380hp ish (not finished with it yet, and that power didn't cost much. and they are a bit cheaper these days
Does bearing ledge wear cause tiny alu fragments in the oil filter? How long does it take until it causes problems, roughly? I mean is a quick terminal illness or a long drawn out thing. Reason I ask I have a mate with a n52 and it has tiny alu bits for the past 30k odd miles and still running fine..

Touring442

3,096 posts

210 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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bmwmike said:
Does bearing ledge wear cause tiny alu fragments in the oil filter? How long does it take until it causes problems, roughly? I mean is a quick terminal illness or a long drawn out thing. Reason I ask I have a mate with a n52 and it has tiny alu bits for the past 30k odd miles and still running fine..
No, as it's such a tiny amount. A ridge a couple of thou deep will start to cause problems.

bodhi

10,604 posts

230 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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Touring442 said:
No, as it's such a tiny amount. A ridge a couple of thou deep will start to cause problems.
Happens to such a tiny amount of N52's I wouldn't concern myself with it.

OP mine is on 141k and still running perfectly, uses around a litre of oil every 4000 miles but apart from that it is perfect - still smooth as silk and howls to the red line as it should.

bmwmike

6,985 posts

109 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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Touring442 said:
bmwmike said:
Does bearing ledge wear cause tiny alu fragments in the oil filter? How long does it take until it causes problems, roughly? I mean is a quick terminal illness or a long drawn out thing. Reason I ask I have a mate with a n52 and it has tiny alu bits for the past 30k odd miles and still running fine..
No, as it's such a tiny amount. A ridge a couple of thou deep will start to cause problems.
Thanks, thought as much. Guess the one I mention is still running itself in at 60 odd k then. Ha.

bmwmike

6,985 posts

109 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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Touring442 said:
No, as it's such a tiny amount. A ridge a couple of thou deep will start to cause problems.
This is what I was referring to.

Patrick Bateman

12,208 posts

175 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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Given this is the first I've ever heard of it, how common is it actually likely to be in reality?

Andy70

1,113 posts

160 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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bmwmike said:
Does bearing ledge wear cause tiny alu fragments in the oil filter? How long does it take until it causes problems, roughly? I mean is a quick terminal illness or a long drawn out thing. Reason I ask I have a mate with a n52 and it has tiny alu bits for the past 30k odd miles and still running fine..
My mechanic found tiny specs of brass in my oil sump, while he was doing a gasket change, then the posts on here and the theories started and then established that's what it was

bmwmike

6,985 posts

109 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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Andy70 said:
bmwmike said:
Does bearing ledge wear cause tiny alu fragments in the oil filter? How long does it take until it causes problems, roughly? I mean is a quick terminal illness or a long drawn out thing. Reason I ask I have a mate with a n52 and it has tiny alu bits for the past 30k odd miles and still running fine..
My mechanic found tiny specs of brass in my oil sump, while he was doing a gasket change, then the posts on here and the theories started and then established that's what it was
Brass?! Copper perhaps but I'm not sure n52 main bearings even have copper. The cam ledges certainly don't.



Touring442

3,096 posts

210 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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The N52 bearing ledge problem isn't that widespread, certainly nothing like N47 timing chains. It's worth reading fault codes on any car you buy, but compared to marginal engines like the 911 water cooled thing, the N52 is a good tough unit. You just can't neglect them like you could an older one.

bmwmike

6,985 posts

109 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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bmwmike said:
Touring442 said:
No, as it's such a tiny amount. A ridge a couple of thou deep will start to cause problems.
This is what I was referring to.
Doh try again. This is the thread I was referencing in my earlier and now largely pointless question smile

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

helix402

7,890 posts

183 months

Monday 19th August 2019
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Patrick Bateman said:
Given this is the first I've ever heard of it, how common is it actually likely to be in reality?
It’s a very rare problem.

Andy70

1,113 posts

160 months

Wednesday 21st August 2019
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bmwmike said:
Brass?! Copper perhaps but I'm not sure n52 main bearings even have copper. The cam ledges certainly don't.
beg your pardon, copper, there was something like that swishing around the sump, he showed me, it was like sifting a gold pan, he did show it to me