Who has purchased a new Africa Twin?

[supercommuter]

Just ordered myself one from John Banks on this pretty generous DCT 0 percent PCP deal.

Nearly time to chop the commuter in anyway, so this came along at a good time.

I am looking at centre stand, taller screen and ammo box style top box. Anybody have any good suggestions for aftermarket parts?

Thanks

[supercommuter]

I struggled to talk myself out of it. Probably the easiest sell he has made. Filled all the forms out yesterday. All ready to go this morning.

[supercommuter]

Alex@POD said:

I've got my name down for one, waiting for a call back to arrange the paperwork and collection.

Same, they did all the finance thing and said it was approved. But not had anything else yet

[supercommuter]

Alex@POD said:

supercommuter said:

Same, they did all the finance thing and said it was approved. But not had anything else yet

Pretty much same here, I had a sales contract through tonight though. I guess they are busy taking calls and processing orders!

Oh, I haven't had anything yet. Hopefully I get something tomorrow. As long as I get one I don't care haha

I think the black looks cool.

Taller screen
Centre stand
Exhaust
Bark busters
12v outlet
Luggage rack

Have all been chosen! I dont really use my track bike doesn't get used on the road now

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bogie said:

Alex@POD said:

BobSaunders said:

If i am reading this right...

http://www.johnbanks.co.uk/honda-bikes/offers/hond...

12k's worth of bike for just £2,590 for just over 3 years of ownership, max 4k miles per year. 6.3k to buy after 3 years...

It won't have depreciated 5.7k in three years will it? So there must be money to be made in it?

Yep, that sounds about right. As I understand it, Honda's offer is the 0% Apr, this dealership pays the deposit for you as an extra offer.

Its a great deal for everyone, basically £3k odd discount, funded by dealer. You can buy a £12k bike for £9k .....well good for everyone except any that have paid anywhere near list price.

Used values in 3 years will be cheap if they are already discounting them £3k to get them to sell now........

I joined a few Facebook groups last night in anticipation for questions and can see there are a lot of people on there saying that its too good to be true and if it is true then they are not happy as they have paid 12-13k for theirs.

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Alex@POD said:

I must look around for a 12v outlet to fit nicely, and I might look for a center stand (didn't realise it wasn't standard), but I think I'll see how I get on with the rest before I decide anything.

I haven't actually purchased the centre stand yet. But I know from my last Honda purchase the centre stand was an added extra! Will wait and see.

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Prof Prolapse said:

Isn't this finance capped at 4,000 miles for three years though? You won't be doing many trips to Africa on one then....

I do more than that on my sportsbike. I'd find that very restrictive as I'd want to do some serious mileage if I took the plunge on an Adventure bike.

Edit: Actually 7p a mile excess isn't so bad as long as you were happy to go over from the outset!

Prof Prolapse said:

Yeah, I've never bought anything on PCP before so just thinking about the ins and outs of it. I can get a 12 month old one at about 0% as well, so (with a few reasonable assumptions), in three years time it works out about £4,500 extra for me to buy from new outright rather than used outright.

Food for thought. I'll see if the test ride sways me, there are undoubtedly real merits to buying new rather than used which need to be accounted for.

rat840771 said:

I know what you mean prof - i would never do a PCP deal.

My last K2 Gsxr i bought for £2200 and sold for £2600 over 2 years later, 2nd hand it a lot better value.

My current K7 will hopefully be the same where i should not loose too much cash and i will bank that money and maybe pay off the Africa or just walk away and give it back.

Being discounted a lot of the depreciation has been funded by Honda, to be honest i don;t think you will see this deal again for a while, but in 3 years time there will be 31 Africa Twins for sale at a decent price.

As Alex says zero deposit and £70 a month a can live with

You are both looking at this wrong IMO. This isn't a new vs used argument.

This is a NEW purchase. Everyone knows you can get 'more' for your money used.

I just look at the total price of the payments and bubble, for a new bike. I am buying it at the end anyway so I don't care what the mileage restriction is. That said, if I don't use it that much I could always give it back, it is a nice safety net.

This is my second new bike, last one was a Honda and on 0 percent PCP. I just paid the bubble at the end anyway. They offered no cash discount so 0 percent was a no brainer.

Edited by supercommuter on Wednesday 6th September 11:57

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Prof Prolapse said:

supercommuter said:

You are both looking at this wrong IMO. This isn't a new vs used argument.

This is a NEW purchase. Everyone knows you can get 'more' for your money used.

I just look at the total price of the payments and bubble, for a new bike. I am buying it at the end anyway so I don't care what the mileage restriction is. That said, if I don't use it that much I could always give it back, it is a nice safety net.

This is my second new bike, last one was a Honda and on 0 percent PCP. I just paid the bubble at the end anyway. They offered no cash discount so 0 percent was a no brainer.

You mean if you ignore the fact you can buy the same bike, in almost new condition for three grand less it makes great financial sense? Well, yes, yes it does...

Joking aside, it might make a decnision easier to dismiss it, but for those who intend on buying the bike outright, and can find £9,000 it is very relevant, for me it's £4,500 extra (what will be over 50% of the total value in three years) for what is the same bike just 11 months older. I can't dismiss that as an irrelevance personally, especially when I find the merits of a new bike in this instance questionable.

But if you must have a new bike, have no aspirations of ever owning it, are happy to be tied in for three years, and/or cannot raise the deposit/used price, then yes, it is objectively a very good deal.

Somewhat sweeping comment in your last paragraph

I will be owning it after 3 years, just like I did my last honda tourer. When it comes to my commuters/tourers I prefer a new bike. I do huge miles and like to know how they have been treated from the word go. No discount available for outright purchase, so I see no point in shelling out in one go.

All my sports bikes are used. I rely less on their reliability..hence why I get them used and outright.

It is a good job somebody buys them new, otherwise you couldn't enjoy the 11 month old bargains

ETA: Collecting mine 16th September

Edited by supercommuter on Wednesday 6th September 12:08

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Prof Prolapse said:

I didn't mean to be "sweeping" (or mean!) I just wanted to summarise the ideal situation for someone considering this type of payment plan, especially as it's not something I've considered previously and I do like people to tell me when I'm wrong. I understanding needing new entirely, there's real benefits to buying new in some circumstances, and everyone can enjoy the "I've got a new bike" factor, which is more a good reason than most in my opinion.

Did you go for the DCT? That's the one I'm looking at.

Yep, DCT in matt black. I rode the NC750x with their auto and i really liked it, especially for mundane commuting work or touring.

Was initially worried about it in slow moving traffic, but seemed quite natural after 10 minutes.

Really looking forward to picking this one up. Just need to decide if I sell my current commuter or keep it as a backup. Not sure what a 3 year old bike with 75,000 miles on is worth

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Alex@POD said:

supercommuter said:

ETA: Collecting mine 16th September

Did they get in touch with you about it, or did you ring them? I've not manage to speak with a sales person since Monday!

I called them mate. Lad called Leon who does their contracts has just sent me mine.

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Alex@POD said:

I would agree with you about PCP vs used in normal circumstances, but with the deal being referred to we are talking about a total payment of 9k for a new one, which you pay in instalments, or just under 9k for a used one, this is why so many people are jumping on it.

ETA: collection arranged for Thursday 14th!

Edited by Alex@POD on Wednesday 6th September 14:14

Don't suppose you asked about the centre stand did you? I forgot.

[supercommuter]

Rosscow said:

Prof Prolapse said:

The bloke this morning said, they'll knock off the £500 as above, then a bit extra for the panniers if you don't want them, then a bit more if you want a manual rather than a DCT.

That's all he said though. I think if he was going to give me three and half thousand pounds discount, that would of been the time to mention it!

The deal was with John Banks Honda only.

You're missing their £3264 dealer deposit contribution. That's on top of 0% finance and 0% deposit. Looks a bit different now, doesn't it!

As said, less than £9k new.

I think you may have missed the boat now, unless you're very lucky.....

Yep, I have just signed the paperwork. £8995ish. 0% depost 0% interest. 36 payments of £70 then I just pay them the final £6475.

Rude not to really.

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Prof Prolapse said:

Thanks for this.

Spoke to John Banks, spoke to another Honda dealer...... I'm now renting (own?) a red Dakar DCT Honda twin for £70/month!

You came round then. Full circle in 1 page

I haven't ridden one either. I have found lots of goodies for it. I want the crash bards, fogs and rear rack for it as a minimum.

When I purchase it I will post links and update!

[supercommuter]

jamiebae said:

supercommuter said:

You came round then. Full circle in 1 page

I haven't ridden one either. I have found lots of goodies for it. I want the crash bards, fogs and rear rack for it as a minimum.

When I purchase it I will post links and update!

I will be following with interest, this deal popped up on my thread where I was considering an AT but bought a CB500X instead (for 1/3 the price) but the big bike is still very much on the shortlist for the spring so it'll be good to see how you find it after making the same move.

I have a CB500X at the moment. Brilliant bike. Probably going to keep it as well.

It is perfect for London traffic as it is skinny. I was splitting traffic this morning and was thinking it would be difficult to do this on an africa twin.

I will give you a back to back review of their merits when I get the africa twin.

[supercommuter]

Just ordered a slider rack and 20l pelican case for it

Will order screen and crash bars tomorrow!

[supercommuter]

Rawwr said:

The only annoying thing for me was that back in April when I got my SP, I decided I'd never ride anything other than sunshine and butterflies ever again. With that in mind, I sold all my waterproof textile kit, my waterproof boots and waterproof, warm gloves.

So now I'm buying all that stuff again. I'm an idiot.

I am looking for new kit at the moment anyway. Especially after my wet ride in this morning.


Torn between Klim, Dainese and Rukka.

I want proper GoreTex laminated kit. I am fed up with one piece waterproofs that get my crotch soaking anyway.

[supercommuter]

Rawwr said:

I had the Dainese Stradon jacket before, which I swear was the best I've ever owned. Properly warm and GoreTex Pro never let a drop of water in.

Leaning towards Dainese. Rukka is so expensive, I cannot see in the reviews or technology it uses why it is any better.

[supercommuter]

I have been told the bikes highest point is 53 inches with the screen removed. Can anybody confirm or deny this?

I need to collect it in a van, standard transit panel van.

Worried its not going to fit!

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Prof Prolapse said:

How do you run in a new bike engine?

There seems to be three options;

1) Just don't rev the tits off it for a while
2) High loads on and off the throttle to promote ring seal, crucial this is done immediately.
3) It doesn't matter nowadays

I'm liking the idea of (2) but not sure... Can anyone advise?

I ran my 2014 cb500x at 85mph for 3 days up and down the motorway. Still running lovely at 74k. I'm not really sure how much it matters nowadays!

[supercommuter]

Prof Prolapse said:

I had no chance of a white one when I went, they had big probs sourcing for other customers... The black one would be nice with gold wheels, but no chance of that either... So red it is.

NITO said:

The metal of the engine block, pistons etc have not had any heat cycling on a new engine. IMHO the important thing to do is bring the engine up to temperature and limit the revs initially to bring it thermally up to a consistent temperature and let it go through quite a few heat cycles. Giving it some heavier load should be fine for short bursts and limited revs or higher revs low load here and there but overall I would be more inclined to raise the revs gradually. I would avoid glazing the bores by running it at the same revs for long periods such as motorway use if possible.

Thank you.

I had the option of tri colour when i called up originally. But wanted the matt black!