2019 BMW S1000RR
Discussion
Walter Sobchak said:
George29 said:
I thought Yamaha wouldn’t with the R1 but look at the gearboxes. Since I’ll be using it as a race bike it’s better to leave it until all the bolt on parts are developed too.
That’s true, every new bike seems to have some teething problems as I’ve very much learned first hand with my Panigale V4!.2019 should be a very interesting year for superbikes, with this and if rumours are true a much more potent Fireblade coming too.
Do you race an R1 at the moment?, the S1000 RR and ZX10R seem to be the most popular when I’ve gone to watch my friend race.
I always wonder why there are not more R1s as I’ve thought they’re meant to be pretty competitive.
Do BMW and Kawasaki offer better incentives/prices?.
BMW do a racer support deal whereby you can buy the raw bike, but the new one's still going to be £16k +VAT, so £19,200
You get a certain amount fo support (not much at a club level) and it gives you better access to the crate engines, which as George knows, are not cheap.
If you know the dealers well, you can always get a good discount on a race bike that's not road registered for most brands, but there's not many club racers in the UK that buy brand new bikes and convert them as it's still expensive to source all the parts.
I've raced ZX10R's for a couple of seasons now, and I'll stick with the brand as I've got a good relationship with MSS, who look after my bike.
I looked at swapping to an R1 this summer as I can get a really good price on a brand new unregistered one, but you still need to add another £10-15k on getting it up to spec, and then there's all the other bits and bobs I'd have to start from scratch with (I have 4 sets of 2016 ZX10R wheels, and 2 spare sets of bodywork/tank for example)
I suspect the new BMW will be a properly good bike, so there'll be a few riders with good financial backing on them next year, but very few at Club level.
Like George said above, you're better off waiting a year or so for the all the parts to be more readily available, and any issues with a brand new bike to be ironed out by someone else.
I suspect the bike to have next year for the really well off racer is going to be the new Panigale V4R
Walter Sobchak said:
Yeah I guess it just comes down to what works best for you, and racing is so eye wateringly expensive as it is that I bet you want to get the best value you can.
The ZX10R must be a great package overall.
Parts availability and cost must be a huge factor too, I remember seeing a couple of RSV4s in the 1000 class and asked my friend why there weren’t more of them around and he basically said, great bike but parts availability and cost put people off, which is a fair point, I had to wait nearly 4 months for a new swing arm and rear whelp when I had mine, given how much more often race bikes tend to get dropped, doing that on one could knock you out for the season.
If the normal Panigale is anything to go by then the R is going to be amazing, I hope they go to a normal V4 firing order though, you’d have to have VERY deep pockets to race one though.
Yeah, you'd have to be very brave to race an RSV4. You do see them occasionally, but like you say, if you break it or crash it, you might be waiting months to have parts available, whereas on my ZX10R, I can source pretty much anything in a few days, and there's a real variety of stuff out there and people with knowledge on them.The ZX10R must be a great package overall.
Parts availability and cost must be a huge factor too, I remember seeing a couple of RSV4s in the 1000 class and asked my friend why there weren’t more of them around and he basically said, great bike but parts availability and cost put people off, which is a fair point, I had to wait nearly 4 months for a new swing arm and rear whelp when I had mine, given how much more often race bikes tend to get dropped, doing that on one could knock you out for the season.
If the normal Panigale is anything to go by then the R is going to be amazing, I hope they go to a normal V4 firing order though, you’d have to have VERY deep pockets to race one though.
I've heard from a reliable source that the new V4R is going to be a monster race bike for those that are lucky enough to be racing one in BSB/WSBK next year. I'd hate to think how much it'd cost to race one at a club level as the standard bike is likely to be circa £40k.
I worked for Ducati a couple of months ago at their DRE days, and the Italian engineer told me it's basically built as an all out race bike with minor tweaks for the road, whereas the 1199R was made as a super fast road bike with an intention for racing
Either way, you could make a ZX10R, R1, GSXR or BMW that's way more bike than myself or most club racers could handle anyway
Everyone said they didn't like the look of the initial S1000RR when it first came out, but as soon as they realised how quick and capable it was compared to the competition, and then it started doing really well on the Road Racing scene, everyone was spunking all over it
Personally, I don't care too much for how a road bike looks, as once you add race fairings and a paint job, you can disguise even the ugliest bike (think Previous gen S10000RR, RSV4), but I suspect that new BMW will be a weapon in the race scene
Personally, I don't care too much for how a road bike looks, as once you add race fairings and a paint job, you can disguise even the ugliest bike (think Previous gen S10000RR, RSV4), but I suspect that new BMW will be a weapon in the race scene
airsafari87 said:
I can see me trading my 2017 single R in for one of these.
As far as the pricing goes, I'm sure the prices listed are for the standard bike. I haven't seen anything yet which confirms how much the `M Package' is? Which from memory adds carbon wheels, a revised tail unit I think and additional rider modes including a configurable mode?
I suspect the carbon wheels alone are likely to add around £2-3k, if not more ?As far as the pricing goes, I'm sure the prices listed are for the standard bike. I haven't seen anything yet which confirms how much the `M Package' is? Which from memory adds carbon wheels, a revised tail unit I think and additional rider modes including a configurable mode?
Ho Lee Kau said:
graeme4130 said:
airsafari87 said:
I can see me trading my 2017 single R in for one of these.
As far as the pricing goes, I'm sure the prices listed are for the standard bike. I haven't seen anything yet which confirms how much the `M Package' is? Which from memory adds carbon wheels, a revised tail unit I think and additional rider modes including a configurable mode?
I suspect the carbon wheels alone are likely to add around £2-3k, if not more ?As far as the pricing goes, I'm sure the prices listed are for the standard bike. I haven't seen anything yet which confirms how much the `M Package' is? Which from memory adds carbon wheels, a revised tail unit I think and additional rider modes including a configurable mode?
Biker's Nemesis said:
graylag said:
Is that the one that’s just been posted above? He was on a £70k Carbon hyperbike that is probably as close to current MotoGP tech as you’re likely to get. It’s certainly more special than any full factory World Superbike that was on the grid this year.
He did a 1:50 in that video. That’s 13 seconds off Marquez. Still fast, but not quite what was claimed. Fair play you still have to ride it, but there’s a bit of trackday timing creeping in here.
Most days abroad are now transponder times, so thats the same as club racersHe did a 1:50 in that video. That’s 13 seconds off Marquez. Still fast, but not quite what was claimed. Fair play you still have to ride it, but there’s a bit of trackday timing creeping in here.
He’s a decent enough rider though, but fagen is a fair bit faster
Those HP4 races are seriously impressive though.
I've got a mate with one (He's actually got 3!), and he's a decent rider. The HP4 race took 4 seconds off an already impressive silverstone lap time on his current bike, which is basically a WSBK spec ZX10R, and that was on a windy and not overall warm day
They're a cracking bike, and if I had a load more money than I do, I'd have one for trackdays without hesitation over pretty much every bike on sale (Maybe other than that limited run of 20 R1's Yamaha have just released)
I've got a mate with one (He's actually got 3!), and he's a decent rider. The HP4 race took 4 seconds off an already impressive silverstone lap time on his current bike, which is basically a WSBK spec ZX10R, and that was on a windy and not overall warm day
They're a cracking bike, and if I had a load more money than I do, I'd have one for trackdays without hesitation over pretty much every bike on sale (Maybe other than that limited run of 20 R1's Yamaha have just released)
In fairness to Bennyboysvuk, I've had friends that have tested early bikes on track, and all the said the ABS balance of the road bike caused a few issues with how it applies the rear brake.
I'm yet to try one on track, so have no idea, but this is what I've heard
I know from the Tyco boys, that they had issues getting the TC to work on the stockers
I'm yet to try one on track, so have no idea, but this is what I've heard
I know from the Tyco boys, that they had issues getting the TC to work on the stockers
George29 said:
Yeah I get the linked brakes being a pain but braking hard enough to lift the rear on the road? And backing it in?
Tyco bikes are a bit different though, the stock bikes have the motorsport ECU which changes everything. Got to run a Motec dash which BSB are allowing in stock 1000 (normally can’t change the clocks), so the traction set up on that will be a lot more advanced.
Yeah, that's trueTyco bikes are a bit different though, the stock bikes have the motorsport ECU which changes everything. Got to run a Motec dash which BSB are allowing in stock 1000 (normally can’t change the clocks), so the traction set up on that will be a lot more advanced.
I'm not sure I've ever lifted the rear wheel on the road on a bike unless in a full emergency stop
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