Silverstone bumps
Discussion
I doubt many bikers on here will be watching any F1 stuff.
I watch it periodically if there is not much else on.
You may remember last year the MotoGP race was cancelled completely after awful track conditions caused incidents and the riders basically refused to race on it.
Well they surfaced it again and guys like Danny Ricc are saying it's still very bumpy and the MotoGP riders are not gong to like it?
Question has to be, how hard is it really to make a surface that is not covered in bumps, other tracks can seem to manage it? Why can't Silverstone?
I watch it periodically if there is not much else on.
You may remember last year the MotoGP race was cancelled completely after awful track conditions caused incidents and the riders basically refused to race on it.
Well they surfaced it again and guys like Danny Ricc are saying it's still very bumpy and the MotoGP riders are not gong to like it?
Question has to be, how hard is it really to make a surface that is not covered in bumps, other tracks can seem to manage it? Why can't Silverstone?
It's not roasting when you are right!
I knew something would have to be done about it, or the Safety Committee would have a field day with IRTA etc. And if it rained, Christ would you have a revolt again!
they must have lost millions last year, so they have to do the right thing.
Question has to be, why does it keep happening?
I knew something would have to be done about it, or the Safety Committee would have a field day with IRTA etc. And if it rained, Christ would you have a revolt again!
they must have lost millions last year, so they have to do the right thing.
Question has to be, why does it keep happening?
Lindun
I don't really care about the reasons, the bumps are an issue aswell as the rain. "multiple riders complained about the bumps during Fiday practice", this was a new surface too remember.
yes the rain/drainage was the reason the race was cancelled, but even before that riders were complaining about the track.
yes, they would ride on that obviously, they would have to, if it was just bumps.
But what concerns me and the point YOU seem to miss is that this was laid a few weeks ago and yet already has done this, and it has not been particularly warm this year as it was last year.
Suggesting either an inherent problem with the Silverstone circuit in areas, or more likely the same company made errors again?
I don't really care about the reasons, the bumps are an issue aswell as the rain. "multiple riders complained about the bumps during Fiday practice", this was a new surface too remember.
yes the rain/drainage was the reason the race was cancelled, but even before that riders were complaining about the track.
yes, they would ride on that obviously, they would have to, if it was just bumps.
But what concerns me and the point YOU seem to miss is that this was laid a few weeks ago and yet already has done this, and it has not been particularly warm this year as it was last year.
Suggesting either an inherent problem with the Silverstone circuit in areas, or more likely the same company made errors again?
I guess the original point was I read an article quoting Ricciardo saying the MotoGP guys are't going to like this, and then read it and found out?
They complained about bumps last time and this time the track was finished a few weeks ago and there are bumps already despite it being fairly mild?
Is that not something worth pointing out?
Fair enough I was wrong about the race being cancelled because of it, but the riders WERE already talking a lot about the bumpy surface before that, which is probably why there were so keen to not race there when it got wet too, it got them going. Started the revolt.
All tracks have bumps yes, but do we always hear riders talking about them? No, but that weekend they did, or I would not have raised it!
It hasn't been done on purpose, obviously, but you have to ask why it happens all the time there, compared to other tracks that host both series like Catalunya. Sepang wasn't bumpy?
Actually there is a point, not many tracks host both, so maybe it's time to not do so!
They complained about bumps last time and this time the track was finished a few weeks ago and there are bumps already despite it being fairly mild?
Is that not something worth pointing out?
Fair enough I was wrong about the race being cancelled because of it, but the riders WERE already talking a lot about the bumpy surface before that, which is probably why there were so keen to not race there when it got wet too, it got them going. Started the revolt.
All tracks have bumps yes, but do we always hear riders talking about them? No, but that weekend they did, or I would not have raised it!
It hasn't been done on purpose, obviously, but you have to ask why it happens all the time there, compared to other tracks that host both series like Catalunya. Sepang wasn't bumpy?
Actually there is a point, not many tracks host both, so maybe it's time to not do so!
MotoGP at Croft!, lol I would put Cadwell forward!
In my eyes Croft was not only a great challenge but the only track in the North East BSB went to, and they go to Assen instead? WTF.
But they are Superbikes, far more able to deal with bumps, or should be.
I don't doubt Silverstone are doing the best they can, as are the new company, but they must be dismayed!
In my eyes Croft was not only a great challenge but the only track in the North East BSB went to, and they go to Assen instead? WTF.
But they are Superbikes, far more able to deal with bumps, or should be.
I don't doubt Silverstone are doing the best they can, as are the new company, but they must be dismayed!
What does that matter?
As you probably know I don't ride a bike, to much hilarity from the knee draggers and race can twerps on here.
But the ones I have been to are a mixed bag of utter novices, try hards and genuinely good riders.
So I would expect the last group would notice bumps and stuff yes and find them a problem, as would anyone on track, but as for pushing a bike to the level a GP rider might, I think even you might be flattering yourself.
As you probably know I don't ride a bike, to much hilarity from the knee draggers and race can twerps on here.
But the ones I have been to are a mixed bag of utter novices, try hards and genuinely good riders.
So I would expect the last group would notice bumps and stuff yes and find them a problem, as would anyone on track, but as for pushing a bike to the level a GP rider might, I think even you might be flattering yourself.
OK, let's clear a few things up.
I offer opinions based on all sorts of things. I rode for about a year hated most of it and flogged the bike and moved on.
I have raced low powered bikes and ridden off road for years, spent a couple of years around the BSB paddock in the early 90's (sort of fettling for mate) and that got me into top level racing.
So I do know a bit.
I also have raced cars and driven on a few race tracks and also been an avid watcher of bike racing since the late 80's
That, in my eyes stands for something.
Sadly, biker are some of the most "non biker racist" people you will ever encounter. I have experienced this numerous times as a car driver over many years.
Not all of them obviously, but as with idiotic car drivers, the knee down, race exhaust, mirror clipping tossers and youtube vigilantes spoil it for most of you, including me. Thankfully as with the same car drivers they are in the minority, but they do exist.
Does it mean I have a bad opinion of bikers? No, just that I am wary of certain types of them them because they often have a chip on their shoulders about people who don't ride. We all know what types I mean.
And that is a fact, no matter what anyone on here says.
I offer opinions based on all sorts of things. I rode for about a year hated most of it and flogged the bike and moved on.
I have raced low powered bikes and ridden off road for years, spent a couple of years around the BSB paddock in the early 90's (sort of fettling for mate) and that got me into top level racing.
So I do know a bit.
I also have raced cars and driven on a few race tracks and also been an avid watcher of bike racing since the late 80's
That, in my eyes stands for something.
Sadly, biker are some of the most "non biker racist" people you will ever encounter. I have experienced this numerous times as a car driver over many years.
Not all of them obviously, but as with idiotic car drivers, the knee down, race exhaust, mirror clipping tossers and youtube vigilantes spoil it for most of you, including me. Thankfully as with the same car drivers they are in the minority, but they do exist.
Does it mean I have a bad opinion of bikers? No, just that I am wary of certain types of them them because they often have a chip on their shoulders about people who don't ride. We all know what types I mean.
And that is a fact, no matter what anyone on here says.
Lindun, I'm sorry but I will stand by my original post. The bumps WERE a problem at Silverstone and always have been on bikes as the F1 happens usually a few weeks before. And more so than at a lot of other tracks GP attend.
Agreed it was not the reason the race was cancelled. But they have always been an issue at Silverstone on GP bikes, ally that to the wind, and it can cause horrendous problems there.
Agreed it was not the reason the race was cancelled. But they have always been an issue at Silverstone on GP bikes, ally that to the wind, and it can cause horrendous problems there.
I think the thing with Cal is that he is very honest and does not do the whole PR thing, he plays his cards very cleverly in my book.
Stoner used to "moan" and people hated it, I didn't, I was used to it from years of Gardner, Doohan, et al who were simple, honest Aussies, he just would say thing as they were. And all the Rossi lickers didn't like it.
Cal for me is riding out of his skin most of the time, look at his background, he has nothing like the racing backgrounds that the younger riders have, spent most of his career on road bikes, was never a prolific winner, was in an insanely talented batch with Laverty's Sykes, Rea, Camier, Jones et al, hard to stand out in that group. One only one series and not many wins on anything.
Came to GP's later in his career and has carved out a remarkable career for himself in my opinion. I rate him up there with guys like Petrucci, a grafter, a man who takes the talent he has (self admits he has less than most out there) and does the best with it.
IN doing that he bins it a lot, but he gets very good results, is highly rated by HRC, and is a good bet for a few podiums a year, about as much as Tech 3 or Petrons would want or Pramac. You may say, "you moan about Lowes all the time", well yes, but he crashes ALL the time, nearly every weekend and has hardly had a result of note for years.
He is over achieving in my book. I can take a few moans for that.
Stoner used to "moan" and people hated it, I didn't, I was used to it from years of Gardner, Doohan, et al who were simple, honest Aussies, he just would say thing as they were. And all the Rossi lickers didn't like it.
Cal for me is riding out of his skin most of the time, look at his background, he has nothing like the racing backgrounds that the younger riders have, spent most of his career on road bikes, was never a prolific winner, was in an insanely talented batch with Laverty's Sykes, Rea, Camier, Jones et al, hard to stand out in that group. One only one series and not many wins on anything.
Came to GP's later in his career and has carved out a remarkable career for himself in my opinion. I rate him up there with guys like Petrucci, a grafter, a man who takes the talent he has (self admits he has less than most out there) and does the best with it.
IN doing that he bins it a lot, but he gets very good results, is highly rated by HRC, and is a good bet for a few podiums a year, about as much as Tech 3 or Petrons would want or Pramac. You may say, "you moan about Lowes all the time", well yes, but he crashes ALL the time, nearly every weekend and has hardly had a result of note for years.
He is over achieving in my book. I can take a few moans for that.
Bumps do a lot of things to bikes, invariably set off chatter, which is inherent in a lot of MotoGP bikes in all classes.
But combine it with the wind at Silverstone, chatter and wind really don't mix well.
If you had the choice I don't think anyone would CHOOSE Silverstone as a venue for the British GP on bikes would they?
But combine it with the wind at Silverstone, chatter and wind really don't mix well.
If you had the choice I don't think anyone would CHOOSE Silverstone as a venue for the British GP on bikes would they?
Steve, I admitted I was wrong this guy just has a bee in his bonnet, leave him to it.
I would love to see GP at Donington again, but the logistics for parking and commuting there for it would be woeful, it's a single carriageway road, two lanes at best, take hours to get in and out!
Dreaming, would love to see them at Thruxton, best bike track in the UK for racing and sliding!
I would love to see GP at Donington again, but the logistics for parking and commuting there for it would be woeful, it's a single carriageway road, two lanes at best, take hours to get in and out!
Dreaming, would love to see them at Thruxton, best bike track in the UK for racing and sliding!
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