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So the Vinales 'thing' marches on.
It turns out that Maveric decided he knows better than the engineers, and didnt use the launch control, in Le Mans..
For those of you that dont know, when engaged, it basically sets the RPM at the ideal revs for the bike set up, for a perfect launch, and all the guy has to do is hold the throttle between 3/4 and full (some just have it set at full ) and dump the clutch. The revs are regulated by the ECU to keep the bike from whellying , stalling and whatever. Its nothing special, my 4 year old MX bike has it.
So Maveric practices all weekend , mastering hid 'technique' and then gets to the grid , and fluffs it becasue he couldnt hear his own bike over the noise of the others... which is the precise reason why the thing was developed in the first place.
Talk about rookie error. in 1978 we used to Tippex a white line on the grip and throttle housing to set the revs...
It turns out that Maveric decided he knows better than the engineers, and didnt use the launch control, in Le Mans..
For those of you that dont know, when engaged, it basically sets the RPM at the ideal revs for the bike set up, for a perfect launch, and all the guy has to do is hold the throttle between 3/4 and full (some just have it set at full ) and dump the clutch. The revs are regulated by the ECU to keep the bike from whellying , stalling and whatever. Its nothing special, my 4 year old MX bike has it.
So Maveric practices all weekend , mastering hid 'technique' and then gets to the grid , and fluffs it becasue he couldnt hear his own bike over the noise of the others... which is the precise reason why the thing was developed in the first place.
Talk about rookie error. in 1978 we used to Tippex a white line on the grip and throttle housing to set the revs...
The time spread of the field is huge compared to normal, they are all struggling with track temperature, and the lack of feel that gives.
This affects the Ducati guys more than anyone else.
It looks to me like Rabat is where he normally is relative to the leader, and lots of guys are just way off, and end up slower than he is.
This affects the Ducati guys more than anyone else.
It looks to me like Rabat is where he normally is relative to the leader, and lots of guys are just way off, and end up slower than he is.
thatdude said:
Vinales is really good with a clear track and a focus on a single fast laptime
Come sunday, he'll go backwards like hes lost 4th, 5th and 6th gear and will only come good on his pace three laps form the end when it's all too late.
I cant wait for Hodgy's pre race peice this week, he will slaughter him,Come sunday, he'll go backwards like hes lost 4th, 5th and 6th gear and will only come good on his pace three laps form the end when it's all too late.
And rightly so.
Alimarsh said:
Sessions all delayed to later times for rest of the weekend, Ducati must have been really stomping their feet in the safety commission....
I dont blame them, rider safety has to come before any convenient time table, this early start stuff when daylight hours are short is a real issue. When you see guys sitting out sessions, its the thing to do.
Unless you are learning something, its a waste of fuel.
I have been out in those sparrow's fart sessions, and all you do is try not to fall off.
I think with so many races still left, they should shunt it all at least an hour and let the TV sort it out.
wc98 said:
there is a 19 year old scots lad that has done rather well in bss they might want to take a look at 
they could do a lot worse and they probably will. if he goes down the bsb to wsbk route it will be too late even if he ends up in moto gp eventually. stick him on the yamaha for a one off then a season in moto 2 prior to moto gp. wishful thinking on my part, but one can hope.
Jesus, people are smoking some proper stuff today. they could do a lot worse and they probably will. if he goes down the bsb to wsbk route it will be too late even if he ends up in moto gp eventually. stick him on the yamaha for a one off then a season in moto 2 prior to moto gp. wishful thinking on my part, but one can hope.If anyone is going on that bike, its Lorenzo, and he isnt.
There is nobody in the UK good enough to step up to WSS/WSB right now, and there wont be for a while.
FourWheelDrift said:
And the sign of being competitive in MotoGP used to be finishing within 30 seconds of the winner, which was if you were lucky in the top 10. Today the last finisher in 20th place (Rabat) was 25 seconds off the winner. Today's winner Alex Rins was 9th at Aragon last year and was 27 seconds behind the winner (Marquez) who was 4.5s ahead of Dovi.
And this years race was 3 seconds faster than last years, but Dovi was 4s slower than last year.
Agreed.And this years race was 3 seconds faster than last years, but Dovi was 4s slower than last year.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Sunday 18th October 20:17
Anyone who says it was better 'back in the day' is talking b
ks. hiccy18 said:
Yeah, crazy to think there's 17 mathematically, realistically there's four main contenders and the next four have a strong case after they all reduced their gap to the lead today; still think it's between Quartararo and Mir though. 12.1pts per round average is very low, normally good for 4th or 5th in the championship.
Moto2 championship has really livened up today, great seeing Sam firmly in with a shout, all four riders have been the strongest all year along with Martin so should be interesting fighting to the end.
The old Sam would have lobbed it trying to win today, i reckon, but he has come from 40 odd points down , to be in it proper, even with missing a round, he has to feel its there for the taking. Moto2 championship has really livened up today, great seeing Sam firmly in with a shout, all four riders have been the strongest all year along with Martin so should be interesting fighting to the end.
unident said:
Can someone explain the difference between Crutchlow having a st race and being defended compared to Vinales having one and getting slaughtered for it?
Also, Lorenzo got hammered in the comments a few races ago for once throwing his gloves about in the pit garage, for being unprofessional and a child. Dovi seems to have got a free pass for his hissy fit. Can someone plain the difference? I’m guessing that Lorenzo threw his left glove and Dovi his right so there’s different meanings behind it or something.
Crutchlow finished 9 seconds off the win, after 41 mins of racing , and still has an arm injury that you would moan stops you typing . t race and being defended compared to Vinales having one and getting slaughtered for it?Also, Lorenzo got hammered in the comments a few races ago for once throwing his gloves about in the pit garage, for being unprofessional and a child. Dovi seems to have got a free pass for his hissy fit. Can someone plain the difference? I’m guessing that Lorenzo threw his left glove and Dovi his right so there’s different meanings behind it or something.
He is on arguably the worst bike on the grid this year (apart from Aprilia), and has missed races while recovering from what would be season ending surgery.
Vinales has the best bike on the grid, and manages to consistently under deliver with it.
egor110 said:
Like i said up against these young riders rins, mir, alex m , quattararo , bagnaia he is .
Just to clarify im not saying he's st just this year the game has moved on .
He's had a awesome career but it can't last forever just to tick the British rider box
No, the game hasnt moved on, the bikes are now as equal as they have ever been, thanks to good rules. Just to clarify im not saying he's s
t just this year the game has moved on .He's had a awesome career but it can't last forever just to tick the British rider box
Edited by egor110 on Monday 19th October 17:23
The 'tugger' or the field is Rabat, who finished 25 secs off the win. Nobody in that class is undeserving of being there.
So now you can see who can ride, and not who has 20hp more and tyres nobody else has.
He is a capable of winning as everyone else out there. And seeing what Marquez did, i would not be surprised to see Cal on the box next weekend.
ajprice said:
Aren't the satellite bikes mechanically the same as the works team bikes without the full manufacturer support or updates through the year? (although updates aren't probably much this year).
Yes, here you go, here is the bike, you go and put it on the front row. What makes a factory team, a factory team, is the amount of people you have on hand for everything. Data guys, suspension guys , chassis data guys.
LCR wont have that , they have a guy that tested for HRC who knows the bike, and a few guys doing the whole lot across both bikes. ( i saw somewhere they had 3 guys across 2 bikes).
These arent race engineer/ crew chief or bolty types. but data engineers who just crunch the numbers, and try and get to where they need to be.
Now sometimes, having 'less cooks' can focus the mind on less things and get you further faster than looking at everything in minute detail.
Stuart Fordyce said:
It's particularly the way they dish it out but can't take it back. Must pain them to have come second best to the Marquez brothers who are the real deal and they aren't close.
As Cal had said, Pol has had everything he has had and done less with it.. I hope Alex Marquez spanks him out of sight next year. As for the other one.. just dangerous.
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