H-D Pan America

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I know, I know. It's a Harley.

But.

I think it looks great! Really interested to see what reviews it gets and the price point.

Am always looking at GS's, CrossTourer's, etc. as my way back onto 2 wheels but this has piqued my interest! Anyone else?

https://www.harley-davidson.com/gb/en/products/bik...

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As above really, if it's a good bike then I'd buy precisely because it isn't a BMW GS or Triumph Explorer!

And to be judged a good alternative it's got to be competitively priced.... and not too heavy.

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bimsb6 said:

I have always bought what I wanted rather than what was deemed best at the time and have rarely regretted it . I still have the harley fxrs sp i bought 31 years ago amongst other stuff .

I agree! I'm really looking forward to seeing one (when allowed) in the flesh!

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bogie said:

Well it certainly looks distinctive .......the new 1250 liquid cooled engine looks like a good move though and replacement for the old V-Rod 1250. It would be nice to see Harley put that in a cruiser. They have been missing something with a bit of go in the range since the V-Rod ceased production and 145bhp out of the box would be a good start.

I think that is in the pipeline

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TimmyWimmyWoo said:

It's worth remembering Harleys make up half of all bikes over 500cc sold in the USA – their market share is ridiculous (albeit shrinking). This could easily take a few BMW GS sales there if it's half decent...

Completely agree - I'll be very interested!

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Krikkit said:

There's also the coming Husky Norden 901 - KTM 890 motor and great looks a bit like the Tenere. Obviously not quite as big as the GS/Tiger/Pan America

Yep, I like the look of that as well! Again, the fact it isn't a GS/Explorer is part of the allure!

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Any more titbits of info leaked ahead of the launch on Monday?

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conkerman said:

MonDeus! That's truly awful! (To Me).

How about an MV Agusta Turismo?

Quite a high seat though, if like me, you have stumpy legs.

The SCS Clutch models interest me.

Edited by conkerman on Thursday 18th February 14:18

Honda have been knocking out an SCS equivalent for a few years now! Can't say the MV does much for me to be honest.

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The Pan America launch is at 4pm.... looking forward to seeing more info!

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MKM87 said:

West Coast coming back to me this Friday / Saturday with a final cost. £2,000 deposit required to secure a place.

Anyone placing bets on cost? £22,000 I reckon. Which btw, means I am well and truly out.....

I'd be flabbergasted if it is was that much when a base GS is £13700. Wait and see I guess!

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So the big reveal appears to have revealed..... nothing that we didn't already know!

Not even a spec sheet available to view that I can see?

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OK so I've found some details (GS equivalents in brackets)

244kg wet (249kg)
18 litre tank (20 litre)
890mm seat height (850/870mm)
128nm torque @ 6750rpm (143nm @ 6250rpm)
5.5l/100 km (4.75/100km)
129g/km CO2 (110 g/km)
6.8" TFT display
1579mm wheelbase (1514mm)

https://manchester-harley-davidson.co.uk/showroom/...

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So if the above is correct, they haven't done a bad job spec wise coming in lighter than a GS.

However, mpg is worse and tank smaller, so range would be affected. Having said that 51mpg with a 4.7 gallon tank is still good for 230+ between refills.

Power hasn't been quoted but was supposed to be 145hp which trumps the GS's 136hp, but it has less torque.

All down to the price now!

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bogie said:

Harleys are not too bad on price if you look at the USD price and you are paid in GBP, whereas Euro imports like BMW are expensive in USA so expect it to be very competitive in the huge home market and will probably sell well.

By the time something in USD makes it over here, its never quite the same e.g. a new Corvette thats a relative $65k bargain some how ends up being over £80k

Will be interesting to see the UK pricing.

£14k base seems OK?

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jjones said:

If Long Way Up had of been done on these then they would have a hit on their hands.

Yep.

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The fuel tank seems to have increased overnight!

Now being quoted as a 21 litre tank - much better.

As above, let’s hope it performs!

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So the 'Special' with a base price of £15,500 can have all optional extras and still come in under £17,000.

That includes adaptive ride height, semi-active suspension, stainless steel laced wheels, advanced LED 'Daymaker' headlight, heated grips, centre stand, etc.

All models have 5 riding modes, with more advanced features on the Special. Good video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO_KOBGZ1zM

Edited by Rosscow on Tuesday 23 February 08:14

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GG33 said:

Sorry, but that's just UGLY

I think it looks great

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And let's face it, the competition is hardly pretty:

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MKM87 said:

So no PCP offered. Base model bang on £14k on the road. Next model up which has 'wire' wheels and more colour options along with adaptive suspension £16,950 on the road. No discounts sir so either outright purchase or finance them at Harleys rates...

Can't wait to see one in the flesh.

The Special is £15500 OTR. The wire wheels and adaptive ride height are optional extras.