What’s so bad about using it as a daily!

What’s so bad about using it as a daily!

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Classic Chim

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Tuesday 21st November 2017
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It seases the amaze me how even hard core types think I’m mad to drive my car in most weathers and all year round, it’s a car, clean it and replace a few rotten bits every now and then then drive it somemore.
I had a shiny motorbike that looked like it had never ever seen rain, brilliant and I was not about to let it get wet either,, a year later after I was bored of looking at it and cleaning the already clean bits I sold it as what’s the bloody point of owning stuff that you don’t use cos it’s raining!
I keep thinking I’ll get a daily to save the Tvr maintenance but then you add up the cost of a daily and I can run my Tvr on that money all year easy enough,,, so I just don’t want one.
This year the Tvr has cost me a couple of thou on repairs,
1 Diff,,,, big job
2 clutch,,, not a happy boy as it was new 2 years ago
But I now have a new Diff, massive improvement in the cars overall performance and quality and the clutch should last years so real improvements in the cars future use.
Serviced it (twice) which for a bloke on an after market Ecu is cheap as you like.
So other than fuel I can’t think of any other costs, had a few running repairs like fixing my bonnet but that was just some fibreglass and had needed doing for over a year.
Overall it’s cost very little to run the Tvr

My mate says it’s too good to drive in this weather,,,,
I say it’s not worth enough to not drive it in this weather, it’s a cheap car.
All this molly coddling of cars like a Tvr seems mad to me,,, there just not worth enough to leave lying about, get in em and get on I say.

Buck the trend and enjoy yourself.

Rant over laugh


Classic Chim

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Maybe daily is a bit miss leading as i don’t need it on a daily basis really and circumstances obviously dictate other people’s vehicle needs as in seats and space.
Truth is I set out 6 years ago to have a car capable of being a daily and more I do to it the more it becomes that very thing. Capable.

My chassis will need repairs at some point rather sooner than later as I’m sure you could see Simon and I suppose until that day I might as well get the best use out of it.

I committed to my Tvr out of passion rather than economic sense and boy would I pay the price for that right now as resale prices have stalled and fallen imho
Every now and then I think I have this special car that’s rare in itself as in year etc so should look after it with kid gloves and I do really but not using it,,,
I’ve got sponges for tyres and soft shocks with a quiet exhaust and a fairly water tight cab,,,
I try and avoid rain obviously but it won’t stop me,
What I’m saying is they should be used all the time weather permitting.
I think where you live has quite a baring on how practical all this is as your personal circumstances so subjective but if you use the wonders of modern science these cars are super practical for what they are. Nothing compares,,, my mate said what about an MX 5,,, but that’s nothing like this sort of car is it, divvi biglaugh


Classic Chim

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Hmm good question Phil. I sometimes think I’m trying to bore myself of it so it would be easier to part with hehe
Some serious milage I’ve done now and can honestly say it’s better than ever since getting the new clutch in. wink
After a few years of ownership I worked out what annoyed me about it the most and slowly with plenty of luck and good friends on my side I’ve somehow arrived at a fantastic car I can’t get enough of.

Sometimes it’s just luck as I tried some old shocks on the car and I liked the ride instantly.
I prefer a rubber bush mounted shock ( road use)
Really didn’t like 17in front wheels for awhile then found Rsinsport 3 tyre’s and played with the dia size by a few mm ( bigger) front and rear and now the car looks the nuts as they fill the arch more and better still stick like some sort of glue.
Let’s be sensible and you’ll fly off if you drive like a berk but I drove a country A road late last night in what I remembered to be horrendously dangerous conditions at anything but safe speed on Toyo T1R and pretty much any other tyre that I’d tried, nope, these cut through and I’m flying along in comparison without even flinching. It’s just safe without having to second guess the road. Super compliant and soft so ride has been improved loads, best thing ever, I feel lucky I have them.
All these little things over the years coming together, steering arm joints, little things that gain confidence and hands on feel for the car.
Ok Ecu change has been the biggest reason why all this has been so rewarding as it’s so rock solid and the engine sings on the thing but the CUX can be just the same.

See my logic says by using it I found its faults and had little choice but address those issues, a few things have gone wrong but most the repairs/ upgrades have worked in a very good way so far.
Things don’t always go to plan in life and all that,,,,
If you have enough skills/ patience or money and preferably all three you can get these cars really on song, mostly tyres though scratchchin

I’m even thinking come the day to bodylift it the chassis components can be zinc covered and as I’ve found if you wash it all down once or twice a year can stay pretty clean anyway.

This is the thing, soon as I park it it will seize up and there’s nothing better than fresh air in the engine and hot air in the cab, keeps the old girl warm and all the parts lubricated.
Just look at Pub to Pub.
Robust cars and a great daily if you live local and don’t suffer from traffic problems to much.
Bit juicy but the sound compensates so I can live with that.
Placebo I’m sure but I serviced the car and last week used less fuel than ever for the milage and didn’t even try to be conservative so maybe I’m just a bit euphoric that all this is working so well.
I’m enjoying driving it more than the day I got it some 6 years ago,,, it’s totally bonkers smile


Classic Chim

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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Matthew Poxon said:
One of the best upgrades I did to mine was to replace the clutch. My 17 year old clutch was very stiff and started to slip. I let one of work colleagues have a go of the clutch after he stated 'it can't be that bad' and he didn't even push it down. I assumed it was a case of TVRTADTS

New AP TVR 500 clutch from TVR Power and the car is now a joy.

LOL at that video of you getting out the Healy Dave smile
Interesting Matthew, how new is this clutch mate. Sounds like mine,,, a dream
And I bust a gut at Dave’s extraction from the Big Healy And possibly more his facial expressions hehe to be fair he’s a big lad wink

And it hadn’t gone unnoticed how the new Griffith has a small door opening, has nowone else noticed that. Maybe the door opens wide but it still looks to be tight getting in for leggy types wink

Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 14:23

Classic Chim

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Matthew Poxon said:
Bought from TVR Power and fitted by David Batty November 2015

AP Racing heavy duty clutch kit with plate, cover and release bearing (Q010125)
About the same time I had my new one from Powers that they fitted which was very firm and was the 500 one.

Now fecked from me resting my foot on the clutch, yeah ok!

I now have the TVR parts Clutch as advertised which has transformed the pressure required to use it, about 30% what it used to be, it’s mad and fab at the same time.
New fork arm might run smoother but can’t be why it’s so light.
Only time will tell but I’m very impressed

Classic Chim

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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Hang on Dave, you’ve got the Brembo brakes so you have a very subtle pedal feel there, all that’s happened on mine is it’s now slick and smooth on the clutch pedal as hydraulic should feel really and like my brake pedal easy to use.
It’s like a £650 bass drum pedal rather than a 50 quid jobby, you feel a nice smooth accurate action wink
Don’t get me wrong as I get what your saying and I can’t help but think it feels ultra modern on the pedals now, but really it’s just very good.
Oddly I added the second spring on my throttle as I like that to be quite firm.
Enjoyed the welsh story mate.
Someone mentioned the Porker holding back, with your brakes and set up 911,, I bet fear gripped him more than you,,, and held him back!

Some guy in a 911 EFA ( a Boxster or Caymen ) tested my resolve not long ago so against my better judgement I ruined him on the brakes biglaugh guess who looked more surprised wink simply put I think my tyres and brakes gripped better and gave me the confidence he didn’t have in his car. I’ve done a lot of brake tests too so I’m expert on em yes
Expert brakes help to make me a Don laugh
I actually drive like a pussycat so all in playful jest wink



Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 18:05

Classic Chim

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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Ceramics brakes on a 9 Something, over 5K alone, I’m under no illusions. Very very good wink
I did imagine this to be up against one of similar vintage to our cars rather than a brand fire new Porsche version, but wet and drivers are not all the same so its totally pointless even talking about it as this is more a test of driver balls and knowledge maybe than any car advantage.

Look at the size of these discs, with the Brembo accuracy thrown in. One tonne car on grippy tyre’s and brakes that can stop two tonne with ease,,,,

It’s about control and I believe Dave and his racing driver friend even if you have to throw in doubt.



PS,, the car I was against was a BOXSTER so I’d have him hands down, piece of st hehe

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Classic Chim

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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I posted some pics of my car at Blyton on another thread.
This was before Brembo brakes and decent tyres for those conditions which were cold and not very grippy.
I had a few ding dongs with a track focused 3 series Beemer ( not a road car) with role cage and proper brakes, really good driver and a great bloke and he had me going in and out of the corners, that was it, a yard or so everytime and I found it frustrating on the old brakes as I couldn’t stop accurately.
I’d like to meet him again and it would be very different, I’d be allover him I believe. smile

Classic Chim

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Ok mate, there all fking 911 to me as I don’t care and dislike them lots.
956 maybe with the funky brakes but I’d be guessing. Heavy car to me.

Classic Chim

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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I’ve had brakes that are recorded to stop you in 1.4 seconds from 60 mph. I fking know about brakes alright. Jesus!

Classic Chim

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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m4tti said:
What a strange thing to say.



Edited by m4tti on Thursday 23 November 18:18
What a strange thing to put up.

Weight don’t always work in your favour especially if tyres aren’t upto temperature,, let alone brakes but Porsche are superior in every way,,, yet men ain’t born equal as drivers are they so on a wet welsh hilltop your brave driver In a very good Chim might just take the piss right out of your Porsche driver.

What I will say is my brakes stop my car in short order, and I know it cos I’ve done it.
Some brakes are powerful but dull in sensitivity so locking occurs and you correct, all race brakes on semi normal cars are pretty much the same,
I have finite control at the edge of adhesion, that’s where and only where it matters.

The forces applied into the road from a 7 series BMW are fairly obvious so finite control at the edge of grip when braking is built into these brake Caliper pad disc combination. As I’m sure you know it’s the interaction of pad and disc that’s what stops you, mine display the exact same kind of markings I see on tonnes of high performance cars with similar sized brakes.
Tyres might or might not grip so well which is again fairly obvious to someone who knows speed and stopping. Tyres are your biggest asset at the end of the day.
Rainsport on wet roads are likely to level the field ( a little) as they squat and add width on the road.
It’s all subjective but I’d destroy a crap driver in a Porsche as a good one would leave me for dead most likely as thay are obviously in a better car!


Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 23:22

Classic Chim

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^^^^^ and because I’m number dyslexic too Im totally lost on the darn things.

And I outbraked one at Bedford once, fking thing, I’d just let him through thinking,owwww a Porsche, then the knob was slow everywhere and I nearly piled into the back of him.

Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 19:30

Classic Chim

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m4tti said:
The theme on a lot of your posts is how you beat all manner of things on the road. Like you have something to prove.

But like I say the gulf in performance now is massive between these cars and modern fair.
What, you can not be serious man. wink
If I drove my car flat out it would still be to slow for me. As for racing, there’s a time and a place for that and I have a deep deep routed respect for racing etiquette as can be seem from my comment ( I let the Porsche through) wrongly assuming it would be really quick. It wasn’t and held me up for two laps,,, now that’s a totally ignorant driver right there.
I’m making a point.
The only other time I mentioned speed was drag strip racing so controlled and as I love being up against a clock actually factual.
12.60 get your new toy up the strip, see how much faster it is. biglaugh

ETA WHY SELL THE TVR frown
I’ve seen some of your work and it all looked first class?
Sad to hear this M4tti

Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 21:01

Classic Chim

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I’ve been pulling your chain too,
I know how much faster this modern stuff is, over 100mph it’s simply over with and different level.
My mates Porsche is quick and has auto gears( as I call it) the torque feels about the same as my Chim but hp and revs stretch it away but only by a few feet each gear to 4th then we run out of road. He couldn’t believe the Chim was so close and nor could I.
I have a new Diff M4tti and by fk I get good grip. I can’t wheel spin it anywhere near as easily, it’s like a rocket to about 75 mph simply cos of that grip. Both rear wheels clamp up and it sort of feels locked, it’s really improved the ability to accelerate hard and safe.
Off corners it’s much better, a lot safer. I think my old one was fecked though.
All these things are adding up to make it controllable yet fast.
A really informed mate had a go in mine the other week and was astonished as he didn’t think it would grip so well, it was wet and flat out acceleration from a standing start it didn’t spin up until 3rd gear and a white line,,, and then it was dragged back by the diff in short order without lifting.
I have another mate who is impossible to impress and thinks everything he’s got or has done is better, I just know he loves my car and says even in the rain it’s faster than (his) mates Impreza which should be slightly faster but as drag racing proved isn’t biggrin

It’s not about my car persay more about what our cars can be and my car represents just one example of it.
I’ve driven a few boxsters and I wouldn’t swap as my car represents more thrills, looks difference and charm than those cars do. And there slower. But I’m talking mid naughties cars so old things now!

All I do know is a bloke who knows his Tvr and has it sorted in the important areas will be as quick as the Porsche driver thinking about his valuable investment that he’s about to destroy.

Comparing them is totally ridiculous as Tvr are a kit car made good and Porsche are not.

I’m with Dave on this though, I never got it, even the lovely late 70’s ones have rather poor interiors to me.,,, and it never much changed. 90’s Are the same. I constitute my Tvr interior as quality and ages much better than neatly all cars from its era and compared to say Lotus which will be falling to pieces the Tvr is excellent and ouses class.

M4tti if your pissed with Tvr cos yours didn’t go well for whatever reason you can gladly have a cruise in mine and see why we are so removed from reality laugh




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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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Thanks for helping my sanity Graham.
I test drove I think it was 3 boxsters before realising Tvr were still out there around 2007 and I thought they were sedate compared to the Chim when driving it for the first time.

What’s really happening here is what Dave touched on, Ive got this car that’s slowly getting better and better and I can’t quite believe it.
These new pedals as I’ll call them are another icing on the cake of this great car.
I have a list of improvements that all come with the same comments
Stuff like transformed and night and day or like a new car,, and all true.
For at least 3-4 years the improvements didn’t seem so big in themselves and only really since getting a tyre shock absorber combination working has the rest shone through.

I wouldn’t have replaced the diff for love nor money but had too, best thing that’s happened from the car and my point of view as it’s beautiful to drive fast or slow. No amount of mapping will remove already sloppy road train so the diff has made the Mbe ign seem better still.
I can drive all day and the gear lever doesn’t get hot anymore. Gearbox is having a happier time. Slick and I can tell the oils not as hot just by its operation.
The clutch gets much less foot attention as I can run at tickover and just pull away in 1st to 3rd gear on just throttle alone and the diff is vital in that claim.

So I’m just living this dream and as often as I can.
Brembo brakes are just awesome to have. It’s like something man got right and that’s it. Like my brain is connected to the discs, honestly they are a massive safety improvement and I adore how the car reacts and feels when using them. You’d think because the car is so light and the front wheels far from the engine centre of gravity they would still be inferior but even in the wet stop really well.
I have this interesting ( or to my mind) game I play with the brakes, lights change to red 200 yards ahead, i naughtily drop into neutral and coast to a stop but start applying the brakes early and lightly in one controlled pressure movement, I stop within ft of the white line and never changed the pressure once or so I think. It’s so sublime and modern it’s like I’ve thought the car to a stop, proper gets me chuckling at the excellence going on. Added as I’m on it tonight biggrin imagine driving the queen and never should she feel movement hehe
I’d say my car used to feel clumsy if that makes sense, now a precision instrument comes to mind.
But not the steering,, that’s my next goal.

I hope you get another Tvr M4tt










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Classic Chim

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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m4tti said:
I think if I do a self assembly car again I'll do an ultima evolution.. beyond that the current car kind of does it all biggrin
Sorry, it’s late, what is it again.
The newer ones are st hot there’s no question. I love all cars for creepsake : thumbup:
Ultima I adore SteveG’s yellow one. Fantastic cars.

Classic Chim

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Friday 24th November 2017
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Also,,, one of our great esteemed Tvr Chimaera friends owner and consummate driver is thinking of going over to the even darker side of Porsche.
Clearly I can’t afford such luxury as in Porsche as they can be very expensive to repair and if I wanted smooth I’d have a series 2/3 Jag with open roof smile
I just hope he keeps his Chim for awhile too
I think for us Chim owners with our simple light but ultimately powerful engines in such a light car it’s relatively easy to learn and look after them without such huge expense The other Tvr cars can throw up. They are almost reliable so your nearly there to start with.
And Peters 5.5 will hold on to most cars to 150 allday I’m sure of it. Power to weight

Everyone always said Tvr will be slower in the corners, errrr do what,
Ok yes this is totally true on bad surfaces with the wrong set up.
On nice smooth ( short circuits) that’s important they can be chucked about and set up one way then flicked the other, magic engine braking and left ft braking, good geo and brakes, different car from the norm. I got beat by a bloke in a 5 series Beemer at Bedford one time before I got the brakes and better all year tyres, he was flying though and cared little but still he slowly out braked and accelerated away from me and around a proper track like the ring, miles would come into it! But short circuit where the speed or bumps are well known you can dance a Tvr and carry st loads of speed, I love em and usually it’s one of the faster cars out there.
It’s the mods though moving it up the scale smile

I have to correct this before you think I’m a fool,
RMA track day,,,, proper super cars in abundance and race drivers a plenty, stone cold last and getting out the way comes to mind but I’d still be nipping at them into hairpins biggrin

Horses for courses
A super car owner mentioned he’d destroyed over 2k of tyre’s that day, on one of three supercars he ragged so the total cost in tyres was,,,, all for charity my boy wink
It was for a good cause though smile
Mike Jordon was driving a Merc LM car for the owner too, just bedding it in, fk me bedding it in, fast and a great bloke. Not that I’m his mate but you know.
I know some very talented drivers and that keeps me levelled!
I’m old and slow in comparison end. But I was once faster than all of em hahahahahahah

Pistonheads great place to sprout off and talk gibberish.


Edited by Classic Chim on Friday 24th November 00:27

Classic Chim

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Friday 24th November 2017
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That’s a hike, half way to the south of France wink
That Healy is rather nice.
Great craic by the looks of it.
There’s nothing like a good road trip.

I think my point is simple
I can now drive my Tvr with much more control and feel so a lot faster if I wanted too.
Am I a better driver than 5 years ago, unlikely although I’m more thoughtful by the day smile
This different level is not my driving but my confidence in what the car can handle.
I’ve done a lot of tests over 30,000 miles road use and plenty before the mods so have a pretty good idea of the difference and it’s stark.
We all go by the seat of your pants feelings and I used to feel rather unsettled by a rather unsettled car and so getting the brakes and wheels staying in contact with the road has worked wonders for what was a fast but dangerous car.
It’s never going to be a 21st Porsche and racing one would likely end bad but when these little RV8 bases cars are singing and have what amounts to the same level of ability as in decent brakes and throttle response as modern tech they ain’t so far behind, which has to be said is increadable for such an aged design.
The big difference is I can work on most of my car with basic tools. Owning a Porsche will not be quite the same experience so a big part of my enjoyment would be taken out of my control.
Ok it will never beat a Porsche but it doesn’t have to.

Looking back at the older Porsche’s I drove, my Tvr I’d drive much faster than those, it’s faster and I’ve got it working in unison more but those Porsche were bottom of the range but still not better than hand built cars from Blackpool given the benefit of a few modern parts many of which I could fit myself.

Tvr is the only semi modern sportscar that does allow this level of owner participation unless your a pucker motor technician. That’s been the best discovery I’ve had, it’s a car that can be owned and maintained by the owner especially if you pays your money and get the proper bits sorted by the best people first.
The rest is fairly easy to work with and becomes a great hobby and as we all knows Tvr are great cars that given what they need become wonderful cars to own and drive.

For the first time ever I managed 40 mins driving with music last week, usually makes me feel sick biggrin but on a dual carriageway I had the tunes blasting out and could hardly hear the engine,,, then joy of joy, dropped a cog for a roundabout and engine revs sort of matched the note and was in tune with the band,,,, hilarious cars to own and so earthy it’s awesome.



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I’ll read that and get back to you.
Caterham, every driver is usually pro level at that end of the grid, win in anything given the time and chance.
Once open a time it was only a few guys like me who went to the library and found old books written by the likes of Jackie Stewart Bob Bondurant and many others. Race drivers were gods of this deathly art and back then few really knew how they did it.
One of my favourite videos and influenced me hugely was what looked like a wild wild man in
Gerry Marshall driving Baby Bertha or one of those Vauxhall Toring cars as he muscled it around race tracks in the 70’s. What a boy he was.
I met him once and felt honoured to hang around the same pits as him. He was in a wheel chair by then but just such a thrill to be near him.
I thought he had no fear and over drove the hell out of anything yet it was sublime talent taking cars through corners at speeds only most of us could dream of especially back then before simulators and motorsports like Karting and F1 have taught us.
Radicals, you better be weight training to even think you can drive them to the edge, you don’t get much more serious than that.
I bottled driving one once, not fit enough and I knew it.
Thought if I can’t floor it I’ll likely crash it and it was brand new so I honestly bottled it rather than be 4 seconds or more off the pace. Slicks so unless you can drive it hard forget it.
You were in esteemed company and your Tvr received some great comments which tells its own story.
Respect thumbup




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