Steering pump bracket - desperately seeking one

[Technoholic]

Hi

Does anyone have a spare one of the brackets for the back of the steering pump, shown in the picture? They are an obsolete Land Rover part and I can't find one anywhere. I don't have the skills to make one so just hoping someone might have one spare they might be will to let go.

Thanks

[Technoholic]

No the other bit is destroyed, it seems to have "welded" itself to the pump housing

[Technoholic]

not right now, but believe me it's destroyed, it's still attached to the housing, and what is left of the bolt holding it on, all fused as one piece it seems.

[Technoholic]

Hi Peter!

I've dropped you an email, thanks so much!

[Technoholic]

eter

Part arrived today. Fitted to the pump and pump and all parts back together. Thank you so much! All seems to be good, new pump seems to groan more than I would expect still after bleeding but perhaps I've not bled it enough as the fluid is still a little "foamy" when trying to bleed. Left it to settle a little and then will give it a bit more bleeding, but the groaning is only really on full lock which is probably normal anyway

[Technoholic]

I’m frustrated, new PAS pump has finally been fitted, all new bolts and housing, new pipes to replace old leaky ones, all checked and not leaking, fluid filled and bled. But it’s STILL making a huge groaning noise at anything much more than a little left or right of centre, especially noticeable at lower revs. It’s REALLY annoying as I thought the pump would sort this out.

Does anyone know what the problem could be? The steering feels nicer now, it’s still a little stiff at low speeds when going from straight to left or right, I.e when starting to turn at a junction. I’m sure the noise is coming from the pump and being speed dependant I think that rules out the rack, right? Anyone know what I can try next?! It’s embarrassing to drive at low speeds especially pulling into my driveway!

[Technoholic]

Yes the steering feels ok for the most part now. At speed it is fairly light, it gets heavier when slowing as you expect but it’s hard to describe how it feels and of course the noise is the main concern. Can the rack make that sort of noise that loudly?

The part came from a proper landy supplier. It’s not a ZF, to be fair, it’s a Brit Part and I know they get some flack but even if it was to fail, it should be ok on day one.

[Technoholic]

Don't worry, I clearly made it sound like I was holding it on lock and wondering why it was noisy, I know that it's noisy on full lock, I was just making a point that it was extra loud on lock, more than it should be, but therein problem is the groaning at just normal driving steering, going round junction etc.

I did bleed the system, for ages, when I put it in, it was jacked up and it went lock to lock until the bubbles stopped. Probably about 30 times. Then I left it an hour and did it again before a drive. Still no difference.

I also heard on facebook about the reservoir possibly being blocked or damaged, I ordered a new one, hopefully it's something simple like that. However I realised that the groaning can sometimes be actually "felt" through the steering wheel. Possibly therefore I'm wondering if the rack is at fault however the noise is almost certainly coming from the pump not the rack

[Technoholic]

TwinKam said:

As unpalatable as it is, new parts can sometimes be faulty. These are 'sliding vane' type pumps, and it's not unknown for the vanes to become stuck in storage.

Ok, I've got a couple other bits to check out first and if that doesn't work then I'll examine the part again.

[Technoholic]

Steve_D said:

Have a word with Brian at Lawfield engineering 07810 018747.
He rebuilds these all the time (in the old TVR factory buildings).
He may be able to advise and may also be able to supply a service kit if you wanted to do it yourself.

Steve

Thanks for that, I've dropped them a message so let's see what they say

[Technoholic]

One thing I just noticed is that the noise seems to get louder the longer the car is running or the hotter it gets. Any ideas?

[Technoholic]

fairly sure it is, I need to get a helper to turn the wheel while I listen/feel but all signs point to that. I changed it because we believed it was leaking and/or damaged because also the hoses were leaking in 2 places, so we thought the pump may have been starved and damaged itself leading to the noise. Maybe it wasn't damaged after all

[Technoholic]

Well, I changed the reservoir today. Drained and put new fluid in again. I thought we were on to a winner but it seems not. Just as loud as before. What I noticed though is the noise is actually there when driving straight, just not as loud, and gets very high pitched from about 4K rpm. Obviously much much louder when steering at slow speeds. That’s got to be belt and/or tensioner right? Does the alternator belt whine like that? I’ve only heard them screeching.
I’ve listened to the various items with a screwdriver, I don’t think this specific noise is coming from anything I can reach. It might be the belt itself or maybe the water pump?

[Technoholic]

Will do, I have a new tensioner coming next week anyway, so will rule that out. With the water pump, if the pulley is at fault, is that easily changeable or does that mean whole new pump?

[Technoholic]

I’ve just put on the John Zubak res to pump hose so that’s brand new

[Technoholic]

So an update, I’ve changed the belt and tensioner today. Good job I did as the tensioner was crunching like crazy, however this was not unfortunately the cause of the noise. It’s still there and now I’m fairly certain is much louder after driving or when the engine/pas oil gets hot. I’m still getting some white smoke under the bonnet but I’m sure this is down to spilt fluid on the rockers when filling.

I’m left with now it being either the rack, or the new pump is also faulty. Any other ideas? It’s strange how it get worse when warm, that’s what’s throwing me