XF - Old v new purchase
Discussion
After a while of looking the XF is at the top of my list but after my last experince (04 530d) i'm veering away from diesel but the trouble is i much prefer the facelift looks.
Other problem is i really want folding rear seats, cooled front seats and adaptive cruise (latter really works well where i live) which puts me in portfolio teritory i think?
Considering the above and cant quite find a definnitive answer on google, can people advise as to:
1) which different trims came with adaptive cruise as standard
2) is bluetooth audio available on older model? And on all facelift
3) are the 3.0 diesels reliable? Power is fine by me, 240 is enough.
4) cooled seats, old v new model? Which trim again
Cheers for any pointers
Other problem is i really want folding rear seats, cooled front seats and adaptive cruise (latter really works well where i live) which puts me in portfolio teritory i think?
Considering the above and cant quite find a definnitive answer on google, can people advise as to:
1) which different trims came with adaptive cruise as standard
2) is bluetooth audio available on older model? And on all facelift
3) are the 3.0 diesels reliable? Power is fine by me, 240 is enough.
4) cooled seats, old v new model? Which trim again
Cheers for any pointers
thanks gents, it was the facelift i was on about not the 2016> model
I only have 10k to throw at it so its a squeeze to get what I'm looking for, i think it'll have to be diesel even though id prefer not after my e60, i only do long journeys though and am very familiar with the whole region business unfortunately
great info on the seats, though i think portfolio or PL is what I'll plump for is so much of what i want is available on these two, I've just found a 2012 PL 'S' with cooled seats on budget, does this wheel look like it has Ad. Cruise?
https://i.atcdn.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=3...
I only have 10k to throw at it so its a squeeze to get what I'm looking for, i think it'll have to be diesel even though id prefer not after my e60, i only do long journeys though and am very familiar with the whole region business unfortunately
great info on the seats, though i think portfolio or PL is what I'll plump for is so much of what i want is available on these two, I've just found a 2012 PL 'S' with cooled seats on budget, does this wheel look like it has Ad. Cruise?
https://i.atcdn.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=3...
Edited by Pvapour on Tuesday 25th July 16:19
Thanks, i should read better as you said two toggles on right, sorry.
If you had o choose between a low mileage Portfolio non facelift 3.0d and a lower spec facelift, which would you choose? Is it just cosmetics with the facelift ? or any dynamic differences / niggles they ironed out?
Some are specced with 20" wheels, is the ride good enough to take these without becoming crashy? I'm coming from an e60 with 16" wheels which im fine with.
Dont Think im going to get to hung on adaptive cruise but want at least the cooled seats.
Sorry for bombardment!
If you had o choose between a low mileage Portfolio non facelift 3.0d and a lower spec facelift, which would you choose? Is it just cosmetics with the facelift ? or any dynamic differences / niggles they ironed out?
Some are specced with 20" wheels, is the ride good enough to take these without becoming crashy? I'm coming from an e60 with 16" wheels which im fine with.
Dont Think im going to get to hung on adaptive cruise but want at least the cooled seats.
Sorry for bombardment!
well it seems it was all cosmetic for the facelift with only minor differences in the cabin, the rear is nigh on identical.
My only gripe is the orange indicators within the front light clusters, I actually prefer the shape of the units.
does anyone know if theres a way of changing the indicator lenses? i suspect at this detail i'm best off asking on a specific owners forum now...
My only gripe is the orange indicators within the front light clusters, I actually prefer the shape of the units.
does anyone know if theres a way of changing the indicator lenses? i suspect at this detail i'm best off asking on a specific owners forum now...
BenjiS said:
Pvapour said:
well it seems it was all cosmetic for the facelift with only minor differences in the cabin, the rear is nigh on identical.
My only gripe is the orange indicators within the front light clusters, I actually prefer the shape of the units.
does anyone know if theres a way of changing the indicator lenses? i suspect at this detail i'm best off asking on a specific owners forum now...
No, it's not all cosmetic with the facelift. They also went to an 8 speed gearbox, gained stop start, got better ICE software, made HID lights standard on higher models, amongst other things.My only gripe is the orange indicators within the front light clusters, I actually prefer the shape of the units.
does anyone know if theres a way of changing the indicator lenses? i suspect at this detail i'm best off asking on a specific owners forum now...
Try and get a facelift if you can.
thanks
so, for £10k I've got to find:
- facelift 3.0
- mileage up to 100k
- S preferred (but not essential)
- PL or Port (cooled seats really wanted)
- Grey, silver, white anything bright and easy to keep clean
(definitely not black)- light interior preferred but understand this nigh on impossible with light exterior
I've searched all the normal venues, ebay, PH, AT, motors.uk, I can get close but not quite, if anyone can do better then I'm eternally in your debt
Edited by Pvapour on Thursday 27th July 10:46
BenjiS said:
Hmm, facelift will probably be a struggle on that budget.
If we take away the facelift requirement, this looks good. Has cooled seats, HID lights, S model, light interior and exterior.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
that is perfect and on my saved list but would you pay 11k for a non facelift considering the one above that I only just missed?If we take away the facelift requirement, this looks good. Has cooled seats, HID lights, S model, light interior and exterior.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
tbh if i went non facelift I'd be fair i think to expect to pay probably 9>9.5, mind you, he could well take that figure...
apparently the guy that just sold the facelift one i posted above has another and is advertising tomorrow morning, PL S again, not sure on colour though as Skype line was crap
BenjiS said:
Pretty much depends on how much you value fuel economy, as that's the main thing the newer 8 spd box and stop/start gives.
I had a 2009 3.0d Premium Luxury for a couple of years and it was a great car. Never had a facelift as I was lucky enough to be able to jump to a 2017 S.
not one jot on mpg tbh, but if it drives allot better.... i hate stop start and would remove with software anywayI had a 2009 3.0d Premium Luxury for a couple of years and it was a great car. Never had a facelift as I was lucky enough to be able to jump to a 2017 S.
BenjiS said:
No difference in how they handle, or performance. 8 speed box is a bit smoother through the gears, due to it having more to play with.
The biggest failing on the 'classic' was always the standard headlights, which were rubbish. So if you do go for one, make sure it has HIDs which were optional on all models.
good tip, i don't drive much at night tbh but when you do need them...The biggest failing on the 'classic' was always the standard headlights, which were rubbish. So if you do go for one, make sure it has HIDs which were optional on all models.
my e60 was manual which i never wanted so it'll be smoother than that
my barge for the dog is a 4 speed 1999 saab aero, quite happy with the way that shifts, can't be worse, can it?BenjiS said:
I always found the 6 speed box fine and plenty smooth on my old classic. Some complaints have been levelled against the 8 speed in the 2.2 engined cars, as it dances around between gears a lot, but the torque on the 3 litres is sufficient it doesn't need to.
8 speed on my current 3 litre petrol is sublime. No idea it's changing half the time, but it's the same box as used previously.
btw, if you can't get an S, it's easy enough to stick an engine management box on to bump the power up to S levels. There were no differences between the engines and gearboxes other than map.
i guess that means you can't chip the S if its at its max, i suppose you get other bits with the S not just the power?8 speed on my current 3 litre petrol is sublime. No idea it's changing half the time, but it's the same box as used previously.
btw, if you can't get an S, it's easy enough to stick an engine management box on to bump the power up to S levels. There were no differences between the engines and gearboxes other than map.
theres a 4.2 sv8 on AT with all the goodies in a nice colour, were these problematic? its got 82k FSH
does perforated seats automatically mean they're cooled? of the cars that state they have heated seats, some are perforated and some aren't, I'm assuming people don't know they have cooling as well? or were all heated seats later on perforated
Edited by Pvapour on Thursday 27th July 18:21
BenjiS said:
No, you can chip the S as well. Up to about 300bhp I think.
The SV8 has a good rep, performance is on par with the 3.0d S. If you'd prefer petrol, and can't go to an XFR, then it's the best bet. A tiny number of 3l supercharged petrols were sold of the X250 and frankly it wasn't a good engine at the point, nowhere near powerful enough. They didn't sort it out until the current X260.
Perforated leather isn't a sign of cooling, it's the better spec leather.
Funny u mention the s/c 3.0 as one has popped up this eve, 22k miles, I guess that means it wasnt working often The SV8 has a good rep, performance is on par with the 3.0d S. If you'd prefer petrol, and can't go to an XFR, then it's the best bet. A tiny number of 3l supercharged petrols were sold of the X250 and frankly it wasn't a good engine at the point, nowhere near powerful enough. They didn't sort it out until the current X260.
Perforated leather isn't a sign of cooling, it's the better spec leather.
or do you mean they were a bit agricultural in their runningWell first of all, thanks for everyones help, especialy you Benji..
After an intensive week back in the uk testing my shortlisted cars (e-class coupe, CLS, CL, F10, XF) I finaly took the plunge on an XF yesterday.
First to fall was the Merc e-class coupe, have you seen the interior?
Then the CL500, 100k originaly & only 8 years old, tried 3 just in case the first was a lemon but by god id have been dissapointed if id bought one of these originaly, interior leaves you cold, its not any quiter than XF even with 'double glazing' and the ride was mediocre at best, i realise it was an old model at 2009 but even so! I had to test 3 just to see i wasnt being mad on first one, cant beleive people paid this for them.
F10, to be fair at my price they were too low end spec and high mile rep mobiles
CLS was a closer call, very similar in spec and performance at the money but just looked soooo dated compared to the xf and at 2011 didnt have BT audio, just phone, i think if the later 5.5 v8 had been around in my colour combo it might have changed things because the 3 x 5.5s i had a go in went beautifull, manic or calm it did both really well but still id have had a car that 'looked' less cutting edge, some could call it timeless though, beauty and the beholder etc...
The XF i bought i tested half way through the week and it didnt help the case for going and viewing other cars tbh, drove all over uk in one of the companies i3s, weird looking for luxury car driving something with zero lux (a few weird looks from vendors
) but probably stiffened my desire for luxury, and thats where the XF wins really, none of the others could beat it on occasion, silence, comfort and gadgets, it even has a lovely growl from the V6! From a diesel? Its no maserati but certainly better than the 6 pot i had in the e60. Some of the touches like jaguar written onto vents that rotate, the light clusters and upholstery etc really have surprised me, well chuffed with my final decision so far, just about to get off the ferry for a 500 mile trip home and so looking forward to it, not just because driving in uk is pretty s
t but the relaxing drive i had from north london to portsmouth was sublime and i want some more.
Anyway, enough gushing, thanks again! May want a chip at some point, i see quantum chips operate in france, anyone used them? Didnt have time in uk to get it done
After an intensive week back in the uk testing my shortlisted cars (e-class coupe, CLS, CL, F10, XF) I finaly took the plunge on an XF yesterday.
First to fall was the Merc e-class coupe, have you seen the interior?
Then the CL500, 100k originaly & only 8 years old, tried 3 just in case the first was a lemon but by god id have been dissapointed if id bought one of these originaly, interior leaves you cold, its not any quiter than XF even with 'double glazing' and the ride was mediocre at best, i realise it was an old model at 2009 but even so! I had to test 3 just to see i wasnt being mad on first one, cant beleive people paid this for them.
F10, to be fair at my price they were too low end spec and high mile rep mobiles
CLS was a closer call, very similar in spec and performance at the money but just looked soooo dated compared to the xf and at 2011 didnt have BT audio, just phone, i think if the later 5.5 v8 had been around in my colour combo it might have changed things because the 3 x 5.5s i had a go in went beautifull, manic or calm it did both really well but still id have had a car that 'looked' less cutting edge, some could call it timeless though, beauty and the beholder etc...
The XF i bought i tested half way through the week and it didnt help the case for going and viewing other cars tbh, drove all over uk in one of the companies i3s, weird looking for luxury car driving something with zero lux (a few weird looks from vendors
) but probably stiffened my desire for luxury, and thats where the XF wins really, none of the others could beat it on occasion, silence, comfort and gadgets, it even has a lovely growl from the V6! From a diesel? Its no maserati but certainly better than the 6 pot i had in the e60. Some of the touches like jaguar written onto vents that rotate, the light clusters and upholstery etc really have surprised me, well chuffed with my final decision so far, just about to get off the ferry for a 500 mile trip home and so looking forward to it, not just because driving in uk is pretty st but the relaxing drive i had from north london to portsmouth was sublime and i want some more.Anyway, enough gushing, thanks again! May want a chip at some point, i see quantum chips operate in france, anyone used them? Didnt have time in uk to get it done
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