Another XF 3.0 diesel blown engine (at 53,800 miles)
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I'm seeing similar stories from other owners. I've a 60 plate XF 3.0s which went clatter clatter BANG and seized with utterly no warning. It seems the oil was contaminated with diesel and although the oil was indicating 'full' on the dash gauge it seems it was mostly diesel. A horrible experience!! Jaguar not interested, despite the Glasgow dealer (Taggarts, who were most helpful) attempting to negotiate on my behalf. It is now with a small engine rebuild company, The Engine Workshop in Dumfermlne, who are about to take on the job. The workshop is strewn with JLR 2.7 and 3.0 engines, the engineer explaining that he would have focused exclusively on these if he'd known how succeptible to failure they were. He gives a 24 month unlimited mileage warranty, so I'll keep you posted on the success ofl the repair.
I don’t yet know where the diesel came from, but incomplete regen. seems to be the common cause. I’ll know more once the engine has been stripped. Also the oil pumps seem prone to failure too. Engineer recommended change at 4 yrs/48k.
Cost of rebuild £2.9k+vat. Inc crankshaft grind and balance, cylinders polished or lined if needed, main and big end bearings, rings (or pistons if needed) timing chain, oil pump, seals gaskets etc. Possibly valves too, can’t remember!
I will keep you posted, and I’ll pass relevant comments to Engine Workshop. Thanks.
Cost of rebuild £2.9k+vat. Inc crankshaft grind and balance, cylinders polished or lined if needed, main and big end bearings, rings (or pistons if needed) timing chain, oil pump, seals gaskets etc. Possibly valves too, can’t remember!
I will keep you posted, and I’ll pass relevant comments to Engine Workshop. Thanks.
Bang not too big fortunately. The breakdown happened as I was parking up, with engine idling so far better than 70 on the M74 minutes earlier!! I've seen xf's advertised 'needs an engine' so they are available. If you do it yourself you'll get a bargain, don't over fill the oil, and JUMP if the level creeps up at all! ...Oh for that non existing dip stick to check what's in the sump!
I'll find out. Could be 3rd party parts I suppose. Anyway, I've very little option as dealer would charge about the value of the car to replace engine. Due to the JLR policy of giving the driver no warning lights or instrumentation you don't know when a dpf regen cycle is in progress, or if you're stopping during an incomplete cycle, in which case the over fuelling involved will inevitably contaminate the oil. Apparently these engines will survive, but only within certain parameters/driving styles which would make them a difficult sell in the first place. Leave oil at 3/4 and check daily for ANY rise is level. You can guarantee its not oil......
One owner does a 60 mile round trip to nowhere in particular twice a week to ensure complete regen cycles. Might have to plan similar in to my schedule.
One owner does a 60 mile round trip to nowhere in particular twice a week to ensure complete regen cycles. Might have to plan similar in to my schedule.
Hi craigm
I know what you mean. This one is CS regrind, block skimmed, bores honed or lined, new (custom) main and big end bearings, timing kit (chains, belt tensioners, oil pump, pistons ceramic coated or replaced, rings, con-rods honed or replaced, cyl head(s) stripped, skimmed, appropriate size gaskets, new valves.
All new seals gaskets etc. Drive away smiling but checking oil level every 4hrs😱) Looks good on paper, let’s wait and see if the Old adage ‘...if it seems too good to be true....’ plays out. Before someone else says it! I’m hopeful though, so thanks again for interest and supportive good wishes.
I know what you mean. This one is CS regrind, block skimmed, bores honed or lined, new (custom) main and big end bearings, timing kit (chains, belt tensioners, oil pump, pistons ceramic coated or replaced, rings, con-rods honed or replaced, cyl head(s) stripped, skimmed, appropriate size gaskets, new valves.
All new seals gaskets etc. Drive away smiling but checking oil level every 4hrs😱) Looks good on paper, let’s wait and see if the Old adage ‘...if it seems too good to be true....’ plays out. Before someone else says it! I’m hopeful though, so thanks again for interest and supportive good wishes.
Indeed groomi
The JLR diesels seem particularly dpf error prone for some reason. Removing is not an option legally as I understand it. I may be wrong tho. Legislation has stated that from 2009 diesel vehicles must be fitted with this. So, to make this work, I'll need to drive nearly double my usual daily mileage once or twice a week to ensure complete dpf regeneration it would seem. Thus more emission of the nasty nanoparticles which the dpf doesn't remove. Imagine all the affected vehicles in the UK running excessive mileage, just to stop the engines from grinding to a halt...... Some government department got this all wrong (for a change!!)
I'm on a 100% renewable electricity deal.....there's only one way forward and that has to be away from the inFernal combustion engine. 😳 Ah well....
Still, need to get the xf back up and running. First priority. Lovely car but brand loyalty out the window!
The JLR diesels seem particularly dpf error prone for some reason. Removing is not an option legally as I understand it. I may be wrong tho. Legislation has stated that from 2009 diesel vehicles must be fitted with this. So, to make this work, I'll need to drive nearly double my usual daily mileage once or twice a week to ensure complete dpf regeneration it would seem. Thus more emission of the nasty nanoparticles which the dpf doesn't remove. Imagine all the affected vehicles in the UK running excessive mileage, just to stop the engines from grinding to a halt...... Some government department got this all wrong (for a change!!)
I'm on a 100% renewable electricity deal.....there's only one way forward and that has to be away from the inFernal combustion engine. 😳 Ah well....
Still, need to get the xf back up and running. First priority. Lovely car but brand loyalty out the window!
Thanks. So a previous comment suggesting dodgy or leaking injector may be the culprit.
I need to stop speculating now! It's been a steep learning curve this week, and we'll know soon enough.......
After the rebuild I've to get the oil and filter changed initially at 500mls, then as per usual. If all is well and no sudden rises, I'll do it every 6,000 / 6 months.
Cheers!
I need to stop speculating now! It's been a steep learning curve this week, and we'll know soon enough.......
After the rebuild I've to get the oil and filter changed initially at 500mls, then as per usual. If all is well and no sudden rises, I'll do it every 6,000 / 6 months.
Cheers!
I know, I'm struggling to make any sense of the symptoms, and total lack of any warning. No service indicator to flag up fuel in oil, no dpf warning no anything. When the indi Jag guy up here emptied it he said there was only about 1L oil, plus diesel. Yet it was indicating full.
The oil change was in June, it did take a 750ml top up in Sept, then went bang in October.
It was a 'lad' from another garage that topped it up (pretty much to full on the dash-I now know this is not advisable) Maybe filling it up did something, or the oil use prior to this flagged up an issue? Who knows??
Anyway, car gets retrieved from dealer (Taggarts, who have been very helpful-JLR at least agreed to cover initial investigation before they said NO, so no money wasted there) by engine rebuild people. Next stage is 3rd party warranty (😱😱😱) assessor to come and inspect the damage. I presume the assessor' s job depends on them being able to determine the best diagnosis for finding the escape clause. If this was the USA I'd have a lawyer.....Could make a courtroom drama out of this fiasco!! Maybe I'll get lucky.
I'm hoping one way or another I'll be mobile in 3-4 weeks. Watch out for new episode coming soon (A JAGFLIX ORIGINAL)
The oil change was in June, it did take a 750ml top up in Sept, then went bang in October.
It was a 'lad' from another garage that topped it up (pretty much to full on the dash-I now know this is not advisable) Maybe filling it up did something, or the oil use prior to this flagged up an issue? Who knows??
Anyway, car gets retrieved from dealer (Taggarts, who have been very helpful-JLR at least agreed to cover initial investigation before they said NO, so no money wasted there) by engine rebuild people. Next stage is 3rd party warranty (😱😱😱) assessor to come and inspect the damage. I presume the assessor' s job depends on them being able to determine the best diagnosis for finding the escape clause. If this was the USA I'd have a lawyer.....Could make a courtroom drama out of this fiasco!! Maybe I'll get lucky.
I'm hoping one way or another I'll be mobile in 3-4 weeks. Watch out for new episode coming soon (A JAGFLIX ORIGINAL)
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