Current Jaguar Range
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I’ve had several Jaguars in the past including 2 x XJ’s, an XK and an S Type. I’ve just started researching to order a new car later in the year. I was so disappointed with the Jaguar range. The XJ only seems to be available with a Diesel engine. The XF has a diesel or very unexciting 2 litre petrol, where is the high performance option? The same seems to apply to the XE.
I understand that SUV’s are pretty good but I want a high performance saloon.
Such a shame, Jaguar had so much promise but the range looks pretty poor now to me. No wonder they’re in the poo.
I understand that SUV’s are pretty good but I want a high performance saloon.
Such a shame, Jaguar had so much promise but the range looks pretty poor now to me. No wonder they’re in the poo.
Chamon_Lee said:
Totally agree OP. the XF and XE were "old" as soon as they were released and they are in no rush to facelift release new models. The XJ I still think looks gorgeous but come on its 10 years old now.
What is more annoying is they seem to have power trains available but I think they have struggled to alter them enough for the new emission standards as well as other manufacturers have.
They just don't seem to be a very adaptable company and ironically this was always the issue the had.
I also think they have spent a s
t load of time and resources on the epace thingy which again I personally feel already looks old. Doesn't look anywhere near fresh.
That seems to sum it up. I changed from Jaguar to BMW and thought I’d like to try Jaguar again.What is more annoying is they seem to have power trains available but I think they have struggled to alter them enough for the new emission standards as well as other manufacturers have.
They just don't seem to be a very adaptable company and ironically this was always the issue the had.
I also think they have spent a s
t load of time and resources on the epace thingy which again I personally feel already looks old. Doesn't look anywhere near fresh. The only car in the range I’m tempted by (yes I know I said saloon earlier in the thread) is the F Type. I really fancy one though it would be very expensive as my daily driver. The big put off for me was the extras. I did the online build and was astonished to find that I was at nearly £80,000 and they wanted to charge me £60 extra for vanity mirrors.
Come on, vanity mirrors are included in even the cheapest of cheap cars.8bit said:
bad company said:
Terribly sorry if this may have been mentioned before. If it did I missed it and certainly didn’t take part.
I assume you have no other comment.
You can't have looked very hard in here if you didn't find a thread covering this ground already. As regards your question, it depends what you mean by "high performance". If you mean a big engine then the biggest you'll get is the 3.0 V6 in petrol (XF only) or diesel (XJ only). If you mean something quick then the smaller engines do work well with the 8 speed auto transmission. Even the 2.0d in an XE with the 8sp auto box can make fairly rapid progress.I assume you have no other comment.
I don’t visit the Jaguar forum very often. Thanks for the very warm welcome.
Edited by bad company on Thursday 31st January 18:50
8bit said:
bad company said:
Actually I didn’t look at all other than a quick glance at the first 2 pages of the Jaguar thread and there was nothing there. I make no apologies for that.
I don’t visit the Jaguar forum very often. Thanks for the very warm welcome.
Well if you did then you'd maybe start to understand my point. There's an awful lot of Jaguar-bashing goes on in here and it gets tiresome. I will apologise if I jumped the gun a little but there wasn't much in the tone of your initial post to set it apart from that.I don’t visit the Jaguar forum very often. Thanks for the very warm welcome.
Edited by bad company on Thursday 31st January 18:50
I own an XKR, my second in fact, but I'm no Jaguar fanboy, there's not much for me to like about the current range because I like large-engined GT cars. As someone else posted above when Jaguar did build high capacity, powerful saloon cars almost nobody bought them. Yes, the Germans offer some big V8 twin turbo engines etc. in most of their range but they have economies of scale on their side. Jaguar don't have that and have had to focus on building cars that people do want to buy in order; firstly to survive and secondly to re-establish themselves in today's automotive market.
In the spirit of offering something constructive to the thread, if you want a *really* powerful Jaguar saloon then you're looking at something used; XFR or XFR-S would be the medium size options or one of the V8 XJ variants if you want the full bifter as they say.
I know I could buy used but that’s just not what I do. I like to spec my own new car and change at 3 years. The only Jaguar worth considering for me is the F Type but I’m a bit put off by the pricing and ‘extras’.
Triple7 said:
Me too.
I’d buy an F-Type if the pricing was sensible, but I simply won’t pay the dealer for the privilege of losing vast sums of money to drive one. I was quoted nearly £80k loss on an SVR over 3 years. Absolutely bonkers. With regret I have ordered a 992 C4S, a vastly more modern and capable car and cheaper!
I only got as far as the £60 extra for vanity mirrors, oh and dual climate control was also an expensive ‘extra’. I’d buy an F-Type if the pricing was sensible, but I simply won’t pay the dealer for the privilege of losing vast sums of money to drive one. I was quoted nearly £80k loss on an SVR over 3 years. Absolutely bonkers. With regret I have ordered a 992 C4S, a vastly more modern and capable car and cheaper!
Madness.
8bit said:
I have an XKR yes, your point being? That doesn't make this "personal", I have no personal affection towards Jaguar, only that I like my car. The fact that you went digging into my profile for something you could throw in to your argument with me just looks a bit sad really.
You do seem to have been very defensive of Jaguar right from the off on this thread.Triple7 said:
There is a market for saloons, but a BMW 3/5 Series, is still way more desireable, higher quality, better finance deals and have a whole range of engine and body types to suit all customers, than the XE, XF range. XJ or a 7 Series/S Class.
This. 
Though I still have a hankering for an F Type. If they did something about the pricing I just might.
johnxjsc1985 said:
bad company said:
But the XFR isn’t available anymore and as far as I can see it hasn’t been replaced. It’s now a case of ‘which dull 2 litre would you like sir’?
I think they have tried to shadow BMW and that isn't going to end well. People bought Jaguar's for a reason they have understandably looked to expand their customer base but I think they have done it at the expense of traditional Jag drivers. johnxjsc1985 said:
hurry up before they put tariffs on them.
I went along to the 50th Anniversary of the XJ in September. All the models were represented from the very first to the present XJ.
You could see the progression right through the years until 2009/10 when the XJ changed and so did Jaguar.
I loved the XJ’s. I had 2 (not at the same time), both 4.2’s.I went along to the 50th Anniversary of the XJ in September. All the models were represented from the very first to the present XJ.
You could see the progression right through the years until 2009/10 when the XJ changed and so did Jaguar.
Nothing in the range to compare now.
stumpage said:
Me and I did. The 530i latest model was a dull boring drive, the XF 25t a far far better car in terms of driving feel and to me it feels like a big sports car.
I may come as a suprise but some of us don't follow the herd.
It’s not following the herd it’s buying what you like. If you’re happy with the 2 litre oil burner that’s great. I may come as a suprise but some of us don't follow the herd.
My last every day driver was a BMW 335d X drive which was great. It was fast, handled well and not thirsty which was remarkable given the performance. Trouble was when it came to change time I didn’t think diesel was the way to go.
The Leaper said:
Bad Company,
I had an XF 5.0 V8 Portfolio N/A for getting on for three years. The car was never officially for sale in the UK market. It was for the USA market. Nevertheless, it was possible to order one in the UK and maybe 100-200 were sold here. Maybe Jaguar will do the same for an XFR if asked through a JMD?
My XF was a superb motor, by the way.
R.
Sounds great but I would worry about the residual on something like that.I had an XF 5.0 V8 Portfolio N/A for getting on for three years. The car was never officially for sale in the UK market. It was for the USA market. Nevertheless, it was possible to order one in the UK and maybe 100-200 were sold here. Maybe Jaguar will do the same for an XFR if asked through a JMD?
My XF was a superb motor, by the way.
R.
I’ll be looking to change my 540 later this year. Thinking about a Maserati Ghibli, a bit ‘left field’ but could be fun.
Greetings from California where I can order my XJ with a 3 or 5 litre engine.
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Bubba Zanetti said:
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Engine options look unchanged. I do hope there will be a six cylinder petrol offered at some point. Preferably when I'm looking at my next car due in 2020.
For me that’s the problem. When I change my BMW 540 probably early next year I’ll want something with at least comparable power/performance.Engine options look unchanged. I do hope there will be a six cylinder petrol offered at some point. Preferably when I'm looking at my next car due in 2020.
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