F-Types - Astonishing Value!
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Hi All - I know there are loads of posts on this, but the price of really nice used F-Types seem to be very good value. I'm slightly miffed that mine is also therefore not worth as much as I would think it would be!! 
Not that it matters as I wouldnt sell it except to get another F...
Particularly when you compare it with much older 911s. Having been a previous 997 S owner (which I loved but which was much less reliable than the Jag has been) I was looking around for a Gen 2 997 to replace my 997 Gen 1. At the time, the earliest Gen 2s 2009/10 were late 30s early 40s for a 60-80k mileage C2 or maybe a C2S but they were all PDK. Manuals were very rare and I couldn't find one in budget. I started looking at F-Types having seen a nice red coupe at the garden centre, drove one and was hooked. I ended up buying a manual S, 2016 and 30k miles for just under GBP40k...this was in mid 2021. Being much newer, the interior and systems was much less dated than the 911. Beautiful outside...I don't think many people dislike or are unmoved by the Jag's looks. Power is roughly equivalent. 911 is probably a sharper drive...but the other factors on the jag make up for that I think.
Is this just Jaguar reliability worries keeping the values low?
J.
Not that it matters as I wouldnt sell it except to get another F...Particularly when you compare it with much older 911s. Having been a previous 997 S owner (which I loved but which was much less reliable than the Jag has been) I was looking around for a Gen 2 997 to replace my 997 Gen 1. At the time, the earliest Gen 2s 2009/10 were late 30s early 40s for a 60-80k mileage C2 or maybe a C2S but they were all PDK. Manuals were very rare and I couldn't find one in budget. I started looking at F-Types having seen a nice red coupe at the garden centre, drove one and was hooked. I ended up buying a manual S, 2016 and 30k miles for just under GBP40k...this was in mid 2021. Being much newer, the interior and systems was much less dated than the 911. Beautiful outside...I don't think many people dislike or are unmoved by the Jag's looks. Power is roughly equivalent. 911 is probably a sharper drive...but the other factors on the jag make up for that I think.
Is this just Jaguar reliability worries keeping the values low?
J.
reddiesel said:
Given the excellence of the PDK gearbox , I am surprised you even considered a manual . The PDK equipped car is both quicker and for most People more desirable . I understand the traditionalists argument but who wants a slower Porsche ? I can only speak for 991 Gen 1 GTS which I currently have and I can tell you that it's built and finished to a standard Jaguar F Type Owners will never experience . It also drives far better than any F Type , the steering and handling is simply on another level especially the way it turns into a corner . That said , any Porsche Owner will be totally humiliated by an SVR in a straight line , the acceleration is completely staggering .
I dont know what you mean by Jaguar reliability worries , the F type as far as I have experienced has no reliability issues . I owned a V8 R and an SVR and had no trouble with either . I think the values are probably around where they ought to be . 2.0 F Types I think are unsellable and V6 completely pointless as a second hand buy .
I have to disagree with some of these things Red...PDKs and autos are a subjective thing. You prefer them because they make the car faster. I don't because it's removing my involvement in driving it..similar reasons why I don't like EVs either. Takes all sorts. I don't know in depth about 991 because I've never owned one, but I have sat in them and poked around...and while there's certainly a margin of difference in quality as you suggest... it's not like the F is a badly built car. Certainly it is on a par with 997 build. And my 997 was always in the shop, so it was also unreliable...I dont know what you mean by Jaguar reliability worries , the F type as far as I have experienced has no reliability issues . I owned a V8 R and an SVR and had no trouble with either . I think the values are probably around where they ought to be . 2.0 F Types I think are unsellable and V6 completely pointless as a second hand buy .
I agree that the 911 handling is sharper...but it's also nowhere near the event to drive and look at that the Jags are...
I too have not had any problems with my F...but I think it's fair to say that JLR products don't enjoy a fantastic reliability rep. More so Landrover/Rangerover admittedly. That's what I was referring to.
As for the V6s being a completely pointless buy...I just think you're being silly/snobbish there! The V6 S is 375hp....your 991 GTS is 430hp...not going to be much in it really...4.4s vs 4.8s to 62mph? On that basis, anything less than a 991 Turbo will be pointless too, right??
reddiesel said:
Thankfully you never said you were contemplating a V6 S or else I would have had to fetch my coat ??
It’s a great car and as you say wonderful value for the money . We all buy what we like or can afford and I don’t doubt the V6 S is a good car . Personally I wouldn’t buy one new or used , like you the V8 is where my money would be every time
Fair enough...the V8 misses for me because I can't get manual one. But I guess that's moot for you, Red It’s a great car and as you say wonderful value for the money . We all buy what we like or can afford and I don’t doubt the V6 S is a good car . Personally I wouldn’t buy one new or used , like you the V8 is where my money would be every time
reddiesel said:
What are you going to do long term , just hold onto the car ? Would the lack of a manual box be a deal breaker in any future purchase ? Personally in the SVR , apart from an initial toying with the Paddles I was more than happy with the sport button depressed and the Box left to its own devices .
It's something I've considered, yes...there may be little choice. And all these electronic nannies that the EU seem desperate to deploy on all new cars also puts me off anything new going forward. I guess I'll be limited to the BMWs, Jags and Porsches etc from the last few years where manuals in interesting cars were still available. Just bought a Caterham in kit form, and that I'll be keeping at the very least! 
8bit said:
I've got a 5.0 XKR (for sale on PH if anyone's looking!) and test drove a V6S F-type last year. On paper the performance doesn't look hugely different - 0-62 times are 0.2s different. In reality they were leagues apart, I expected the F to feel somewhat less brisk but nothing like as slow as it felt. It did, however, sound lovely - I've never really thought the supercharged Jag V8 engines sounded that good, they lack that muscular, brutish roar (which funnily enough the naturally-aspirated versions do have). If the V6S had felt brisk I'd probably have gone for it, on strength of adequate performance, sound and cheaper running costs.
Having said that, I'd love to drive one with the pulley upgrade, ECU and transmission remaps...
I'm not really that surprised that a supercharged 5.0 V8 XKR is much quicker than a Supercharged 3.0 V6 F-Type...Having said that, I'd love to drive one with the pulley upgrade, ECU and transmission remaps...
I think the pulley upgrade/ECU remap only pushes it from 375 to 400 hp. So I would imagine it won't make that much difference...
ric p said:
I watch this thread with interest.
Having revived my Griff over the last 18 months, it might be time for a change, and I'd noticed a few of these F Types over the summer and on our Angouleme trip. The v8 sounds epic.
So have been seeing what is around, either v8 R or S. Achieving 500+ bhp is obviously bragging rights but suspect the actual real world difference between the 495 and 550 is minimal and eaten up by 4wd vs 2wd. The biggest issue is the lack of interesting colours. And I'm a fan of a light interior.
They do seem good value, rare and good looking especially in convertible form. From TVR to a more grown up but still angry sounding Jag is probably a natural continuation of the journey!
Agreed...I had two Chimaeras in 1998 and 2000 respectively, and there's definitely some similarities in spirit. The Jag is obviously a far superior vehicle both in execution and ergonomics, but it shares a kindred spirit I think. Having revived my Griff over the last 18 months, it might be time for a change, and I'd noticed a few of these F Types over the summer and on our Angouleme trip. The v8 sounds epic.
So have been seeing what is around, either v8 R or S. Achieving 500+ bhp is obviously bragging rights but suspect the actual real world difference between the 495 and 550 is minimal and eaten up by 4wd vs 2wd. The biggest issue is the lack of interesting colours. And I'm a fan of a light interior.
They do seem good value, rare and good looking especially in convertible form. From TVR to a more grown up but still angry sounding Jag is probably a natural continuation of the journey!
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