2.0 TFSI Drinking Oil

[AndyandChrisGTR]

Hi all,

I have this engine in an A4 S Tronic. I have covered some 5000 miles over the past 6 weeks and have had to top it up twice with oil.

Is anyone aware of any issues with this engine regarding this or is this normal???

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

It recommends to top it up by 1 ltr in the manual which is what I've done. Can't see any leaks anywhere but I haven't had a proper inspection.

The car is only 1 year old with about 10k on the clock so seems a bit odd.

Think I'll book it into the garage.

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

New engine... OMG!!

I take it this was under warranty!

I'm going to have a word with the garage and get it booked in I think. Thanks for the offer and I may well take you up on it after seeing what Audi have to say.

Thanks

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

Well, just spoken to my local Audi dealer and they tell me that thats fairly normal consumption. Infact he stated that 0.5 ltr every 600 miles is their guideline.... bks!!

Seems very fishy to me. Huwp I'll PM you if thats ok then maybe give you a call a bit later when I finish at work if you can send your number over.

Thanks for the help.

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

the-photographer said:

AndyandChrisGTR said:

Hi all,

I have this engine in an A4 S Tronic. I have covered some 5000 miles over the past 6 weeks and have had to top it up twice with oil.

Is anyone aware of any issues with this engine regarding this or is this normal???

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Chris

What was the previous oil consumption over the past x,000 miles?

Sorry I didn't explain. I've actually only owned it for 6 weeks so before that it had only covered around 5k over approx 11 months.

[AndyandChrisGTR]

the-photographer said:

Ah OK, firstly you are going to have to monitor the situation very carefully, there is a wide variance in oil consumption;

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&biw=1680&...

VW have their own limits (lots basically) and every engine will be different, my one uses 1 to 1.5 litres every 10,000 miles.

That seems fairly reasonable, I wouldn't be unhappy with that.

I've started a log so I can keep track of how much I'm getting through. At the moment its seems to have been approx 1 ltr every 2500 miles.

[AndyandChrisGTR]

robsti said:

"they all do that sir"

[AndyandChrisGTR]

Nick3point2 said:

AndyandChrisGTR said:

It recommends to top it up by 1 ltr in the manual which is what I've done.

Sorry? Why didn't you top it up by the amount required to put it to the top Mark on the dipstick? And what does the manual say about topping up? That it's a litre from the bottom to top dipstick marks?

Sorry but consulting the manual just strikes me as being a pretty arse about face way of doing a top up!!

There is no dip stick! Just shows on the screen in the car what level your at and knowing that putting too much oil in can damage the engine I thought I would do the non-manly thing and consult the manual.

[AndyandChrisGTR]

Nick3point2 said:

AndyandChrisGTR said:

There is no dip stick!

What a stupid thing to do. I can't to see the havoc caused by level sensors when they start to fail!

Agreed!

[AndyandChrisGTR]

Thought I'd do a quick update on this thread for those out there with the same engine and same potential issues.

Over the past 12 months the oil consumption has gradually got worse to the point where I was adding 1 ltr of oil every 550 - 600 miles. During its long life service I asked them to check it out but they said that nothing was wrong.

After a bit of research and general disbeleif at the amount of oil it was getting through I spoke to another dealership near where I work (Epsom Audi) and they agreed to carry out an oil consumtion test under warranty. They completed this test today and have just informed me that there is a problem and that they will need to do a full angine rebuild including pistons and piston rings etc.
Overall I'm quite happy with this, at least they have admitted a problem and it shows I'm not alone in thinking that that sort of oil consumption on a modern petrol engine is crazy!!

Just wanted to add it so that if there is anyone else having the same issues then don't give up pursuing it!!

Cheers

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

These engines are either not being built properly at the factory, or their new owners are babying them from new. Given the gridlocked state of the country and everyone doing 60mph to save fuel (well get in the feckin inside lane and save fuel then, grrrr), high load and high rpm oppurtunities are rare, ergo the bores get glazed and oil consumption increases.

Having said that, german engines do like a drink. Every VW, BMW and Audi I've every owned drank oil. My Mum's old 1994 Corolla used nothing at all between it's 16,000 mile oil changes.

I can't comment on how it was driven when being in but I certainly don't give it an easy life. I do about 25k a year so it gets a lot of work and part of my commute includes some great back roads. Other than the obvious issue this engine is brilliant. Hopefully it will be even better when I get it back.


On a side note I'm guessing I'm effectively going to need to run this engine in again? What are peoples thoughts with these engines? Low revs for 1000 miles or high revs everywhere and break it in?

[AndyandChrisGTR]

Gio G said:

Reading this post, I was compelled to check the oil. Open the bonnet no dipstick!!!

Then go to check into the MMI, under car settings - oil levels. It says check in 2 mins, engine needs to be off. So I turn the engine off, go ino settings for oil level - says engine needs to be switched on to configure.... WTF!!!

Even tried again after going for drive, lifted the hood.. Doesn't work!!

Any ideas anyone????

Hello

You need to turn on the car and let it run for 2 mins on a flat surface then turn it off but leave the key in the ignition so the mmi is working then try checking. Should work then, if it doesn't then pass!!

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

Gio G said:

AndyandChrisGTR said:

Gio G said:

Reading this post, I was compelled to check the oil. Open the bonnet no dipstick!!!

Then go to check into the MMI, under car settings - oil levels. It says check in 2 mins, engine needs to be off. So I turn the engine off, go ino settings for oil level - says engine needs to be switched on to configure.... WTF!!!

Even tried again after going for drive, lifted the hood.. Doesn't work!!

Any ideas anyone????

Hello

You need to turn on the car and let it run for 2 mins on a flat surface then turn it off but leave the key in the ignition so the mmi is working then try checking. Should work then, if it doesn't then pass!!

Chris

Thanks Chris,

Yes tried that, doesn't work..

Pass then,although have you tried it whist your driving? Mine usually gives a reading whilst I am.

Otherwise maybe Dr G or Tame Technician can help????

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

huwp said:

I posted earlier in this thread that my Polo had required a new engine at 5,000 miles. Popped into the local dealer yesterday as I now have a turbo issue. Anyway, the same mechanic who had worked on replacing the engine came out with me to diagnose the knackered turbo: he confirmed that VW have now acknowledged a problem with the piston rings in the 1.4 TSI.

Not having much luck with that car. I hope they get it sorted for you!!

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

REALIST123 said:

SuperchargedVR6 said:

These engines are either not being built properly at the factory, or their new owners are babying them from new. Given the gridlocked state of the country and everyone doing 60mph to save fuel (well get in the feckin inside lane and save fuel then, grrrr), high load and high rpm oppurtunities are rare, ergo the bores get glazed and oil consumption increases.

Having said that, german engines do like a drink. Every VW, BMW and Audi I've every owned drank oil. My Mum's old 1994 Corolla used nothing at all between it's 16,000 mile oil changes.

Interesting to see your views on 'breaking in' and then see that every VW, BMW and Audi you've ever owned 'drank oil'.

I've always been an advocate of properly running in engines when new and every VW, BMW, Audi etc etc I've ever had, including the ones I have presently, uses little or no oil between services.

In fact the only car I can remember owning that did use appreciable oil was a 2.6 190E I had back in the nineties, bought as a 6000 mile ex demo.

What am I doing wrong?

Sounds like your not doing anything wrong. To be honest I think I'm just going to do what ever Audi tell me to do. At least that way they're more likely to help me out in the future with it.

To be honest I don't have much experience of the "breaking in" stage, the only car I've ever had from new was a 1.6tdci Ford Focus and that was utter st!! It deserved to be thrashed!!

I don't think in general though my car get treated badly. The car in question having the rebuild gets driven about 25k per year, a lot of that is obviously motorway but it also gets some country lane action (about 3-4 miles every morning and evening when I go to and from work. I tend to drive it as was intended for that section.

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

huwp said:

No fault with turbo found. But needs new clutch pack and oil breather kit!! Won't be keeping this car beyond the warranty period!

My thoughts too, warranty runs out in about 14 months so unless I can pursued Audi customer care to extend it (pigs flying springs to mind) then I'll be getting something else. A6 bi turbo currently springs to mind!!

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

Another update.

Picked the car up today, it was in the garage for over two weeks!! They did give me quite a nice A6 though in the mean time.

Hopefully all will be ok now. Just need to keep a close eye on the oil consumption.

Chris

[AndyandChrisGTR]

thegasman said:

Hi
I have had my A5 2.0T from new on a 59 plate and have covered 59,000 miles mostly motorways, it is drinking 1litre of oil for every 700 miles and its getting worse. Audi say this is within tolerance . Lucky for me it's a company car as its costing a fortune buying all this synthetic oil where is it all going. This car is going back to the lease company in November I pity the poor sod that buys this car at auction. This is def my last Audi .

Cheers

That's not within tolerance I don't think but check your manual. It took quite a bit of persuasion from me to get them to do something. They did it eventually though and even gave me a cheque for £500 to cover the cost of all the oil I bought!

Chris