Golf R engine blown
Discussion
A road, 70 ish, 8k revs,
No disappointingly not spectacular at all, no oil or smoke or explosions, for theone year it's going to cost I should have at least got some fireworks
I'm just wondering having not seen the data myself, any specialists can tell me if that ecu will show that? It's some downshift and I'm not sure that's what happened
No disappointingly not spectacular at all, no oil or smoke or explosions, for theone year it's going to cost I should have at least got some fireworks
I'm just wondering having not seen the data myself, any specialists can tell me if that ecu will show that? It's some downshift and I'm not sure that's what happened
tigger1 said:
I'd have a read of this:
http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/15212-over-revve...
As it sounds like a similar thing (although it sounds like it was never really sorted).
Over-revving a manual is possible on a downshift (not to the same degree under acceleration, and not at all with the DSG).
Very interesting thank youhttp://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/15212-over-revve...
As it sounds like a similar thing (although it sounds like it was never really sorted).
Over-revving a manual is possible on a downshift (not to the same degree under acceleration, and not at all with the DSG).
pidsy said:
That's s
tty news OP - no engines you could source and fit at an Indy?
It's a lease, so I have a feeling if it's not done by vw it's going to cause probs on the handback. tty news OP - no engines you could source and fit at an Indy?Can someone tell me, IF I had done what they are suggesting what would the car have done? Some people suggest I would have face planted the screen and the wheels lock,
However there was nothing at all, some suggest there is software to prevent this?
How do I know it was a gear shift? Could the chain have snapped and spiked the revs? Could the engine simply have just blown and the spike in revs were a result?
70mph revs hit 8500 at the time it happened, they told me that much, 1st gear at that speed would be crazy revs but I'm assuming it gave up after 8500
Edited to add they haren't not told me the exact gear but said the ratio was not compatible with 70mph
Edited to add they haren't not told me the exact gear but said the ratio was not compatible with 70mph
Edited by Beanie on Thursday 5th October 10:45
xjay1337 said:
Welshbeef said:
80mph into second and the engine blows?
My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
These Golf R's are doing pretty much 60-65 max in 2nd at the red line.My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
VW ecu will simply show a "ENGINE SPEED EXCEEDED WARRANTY VOID" code. If the engine is over-revved.
There is no historical logging (IE they can't tell what you did 3 weeks ago on Tuesday at 7:23pm).
Tough situation. Did you downshift to 1st instead of 3rd? lol
Quite honestly I don't know, it was milliseconds
But hell of a thing if I did, never done it before
They were able to say time, speed and revs
It's got 5 months left, 2 year lease, I guess I must have gone 5th to 1st because if I had have got 3rd it wouldn't have happened, unless there was something wrong with the engine / gear box already, that's what I'm trying to establish
This is the only ram exceedance recorded
No mess no oil
This is the only ram exceedance recorded
No mess no oil
I know what you are saying, 5th to 1st you would know about it, however unless you have actually done it, assuming I did, it's actually a none event, no screeching from tyres, no jolt from the car or engine, no warning lights other than the normal when the engine is off just literally a complete loss of power. It literally just cut out, noisey exhaust, music on, didn't even hear it
I think I read on another forum something about software that stops the huge rate of deceleration and locking of the wheels,
This is what's confusing me, I thought I would have kissed the steering wheel if I had gone 5th to 1st at 70mph, but one minute it was there, the next the engine was unresponsive and 'start engine manually' appeared on the dash
Trying to be as honest as possible and recount events as they happened, otherwise people's views are pointless,
No oil, nothing obvious from on top or underneath, and no massive deceleration, to be honest my first thought was the car had stalled when the 'start engine manually' came up,
I had just made a gear change, and I'm pretty sure it was from 5th and I was shifting down, however we are talking microseconds, and I really wasn't concentrating on the gear change as most of us don't, it's muscle memory
This is what's confusing me, I thought I would have kissed the steering wheel if I had gone 5th to 1st at 70mph, but one minute it was there, the next the engine was unresponsive and 'start engine manually' appeared on the dash
Trying to be as honest as possible and recount events as they happened, otherwise people's views are pointless,
No oil, nothing obvious from on top or underneath, and no massive deceleration, to be honest my first thought was the car had stalled when the 'start engine manually' came up,
I had just made a gear change, and I'm pretty sure it was from 5th and I was shifting down, however we are talking microseconds, and I really wasn't concentrating on the gear change as most of us don't, it's muscle memory
Edited by Beanie on Thursday 5th October 15:13
ECU has my recorded speed at 70, no disputing that, and no, I wasn't giving it some, I was actually on a dual carriageway where the limit was going from 70 to a 50 and into single lane with traffic, I was gear changing for this reason,
Which actually talking it through, I was more likely going down to 4th, and maybe got 2nd,
Vw can't tell me what gear it was only that it wasn't the right one, like I said hand on heart I don't remember what gear other than I was down shifting, muscle memory, no one actually thinks about it and looks down at the gear stick
Which actually talking it through, I was more likely going down to 4th, and maybe got 2nd,
Vw can't tell me what gear it was only that it wasn't the right one, like I said hand on heart I don't remember what gear other than I was down shifting, muscle memory, no one actually thinks about it and looks down at the gear stick
Edited by Beanie on Thursday 5th October 15:22
Ok thanks for the information so far everyone,
From the information provided, I have a question,
VW can't tell me what gear it was in,
They can tell me,
Time
Speed
Rev's max
What's to say my gear change was the cause,
Lets say I did actually change from let's say 5th to 3rd, and for some reason the engine wound up in an instant hit 8500 and blew?
Could something have caused this? Engine buggered anyway? Crazy ECU?
As they can't tell me what gear I was in, it seems odd?
What I'm getting at is, what's to say I put the car into a gear that it should have been capable of, but it failed
From the information provided, I have a question,
VW can't tell me what gear it was in,
They can tell me,
Time
Speed
Rev's max
What's to say my gear change was the cause,
Lets say I did actually change from let's say 5th to 3rd, and for some reason the engine wound up in an instant hit 8500 and blew?
Could something have caused this? Engine buggered anyway? Crazy ECU?
As they can't tell me what gear I was in, it seems odd?
What I'm getting at is, what's to say I put the car into a gear that it should have been capable of, but it failed
Edited by Beanie on Thursday 5th October 15:40
Stickyfinger said:
Beanie said:
Ok thanks for the information so far everyone,
From the information provided, I have a question,
VW can't tell me what gear it was in,
They can tell me,
Time
Speed
Rev's max
What's to say my gear change was the cause,
Lets say I did actually change from let's say 5th to 3rd, and for some reason the engine wound up in an instant hit 8500 and blew?
Could something have caused this? Engine buggered anyway? Crazy ECU?
As they can't tell me what gear I was in, it seems odd?
What I'm getting at is, what's to say I put the car into a gear that it should have been capable of, but it failed
An ECU is not the same as an Aircraft "Black Box"From the information provided, I have a question,
VW can't tell me what gear it was in,
They can tell me,
Time
Speed
Rev's max
What's to say my gear change was the cause,
Lets say I did actually change from let's say 5th to 3rd, and for some reason the engine wound up in an instant hit 8500 and blew?
Could something have caused this? Engine buggered anyway? Crazy ECU?
As they can't tell me what gear I was in, it seems odd?
What I'm getting at is, what's to say I put the car into a gear that it should have been capable of, but it failed
Edited by Beanie on Thursday 5th October 15:40
There is a record on the ECU of an 8500 rev spike, and you have a dead engine which you accept is date stamped within your ownership.
Mate, I know it is a s
tter but really it is time to concentrate on looking at the best way to fix what you have managed to break, forget the wriggles and the desperate reasoning etc as you really are on a road to nothing with the dealer or VW.I am familiar with the black box and know it contains everything, which surprises me the ECU is actually very basic and only registers the exceedance, which is why I am asking, it doesn't say what gear I was in, and I can't believe I did go into a gear that would cause it, which is why I am asking could an engine fault have caused it?
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