New Defender? After thoughts and ownership details

[elise2000]

Hi all

I’m contemplating buying a newish defender 110. Probably 2020ish. Around the £60-£65k mark.

What are peoples thoughts about how these will depreciate? I’m assuming they will be more like the discovery etc than the old defenders that held their value very well.

Are there any owners out there who could detail ownsership experience please? Reliability/running costs etc

I’ve owned several defenders in the past, but they’ve all been older ones.

Many thanks

[elise2000]

davidexige said:

I'd have a look over here, there's a section for the new L663 Defender that might be of use.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/

Thanks will take a look

[elise2000]

sam greenock said:

elise2000 said:

Hi all

I’m contemplating buying a newish defender 110. Probably 2020ish. Around the £60-£65k mark.

What are peoples thoughts about how these will depreciate? I’m assuming they will be more like the discovery etc than the old defenders that held their value very well.

Are there any owners out there who could detail ownsership experience please? Reliability/running costs etc

I’ve owned several defenders in the past, but they’ve all been older ones.

Many thanks

We've just sold our 2020 Defender 110 240 HSE -it had 10500 miles
. We paid £62,200 for it when new and achieved £61870 for it a fortnight ago -its now up for £67500 at the garage who bought it

Nice!

[elise2000]

Alicat said:

I had been a Land Rover supporter for over 30 years. However, after shocking experiences with my last 2 new vehicles I left the brand in 2016. The issues with the last vehicles were poor design, poor manufacture, and complacency from Land Rover and the dealer network. I tried several dealerships and gave up.

In 2021 i bought one of the new Defenders hoping things are changed. It has been sold.

It was a lovely vehicle to drive but nothing had changed. The assembly was poor and there were regular niggly problems. Fail to start until 3rd attempt, warning lights for 4wd system, telemetry failure, air suspension would play up (compressor running for no reason) etc.

Each time there was a problem it was a hassle to get the dealer to look at it. Even when Land Rover diagnosed the telemetry problem remotely the dealer wanted two days to change the telemetry unit. They had to do their own diagnosis and then order a unit from the factory.

A poor and shocking experience for a £70k vehicle.

Sorry to hear that

[elise2000]

Magan said:

Hi OP,

I have just sent you a PM.

Thanks for the offer, but want to buy from a main dealer. Sounds like a nice spec car though

[elise2000]

Rufus Stone said:

I've had a 90 for four months (the P400) and love it, although I don't trust it 100%.

Things I like:
The look.
The heated screen.
The automatic hold when I stop.
The cruise control toggle (lets me drive while eating a sausage & egg Mcmuffin).

Things I dislike:
The door rubbers creak (I have some lube for that though!).
It doesn't always start on first press of the button (doesn't even turn over).
MPG isn't great, I average 25.

That’s a shame you don’t trust it. How old is the car? What mileage?

Going to test drive one next week so will see what we think then.

[elise2000]

Wilmslowboy said:

We owned a December 2020 first edition 110 7 seater since new (26 months) and done 32k miles.
It i the wife's daily car, driven in the rain, sun, and snow, as well as on a 3 week, 3k miles tour all over Europe.

Best car we owned, and it has been 100% reliable, beyond perhaps once having to restart the sat nav.

Goes in a couple of weeks, sold to a dealer (to be replaced by an ID Buzz).

The list price when it was new was about £68k (we got a big discount on the new), and we sold it for mid £50s.

That’s really helpful thanks.

That’s what ours would be for- wife’s daily for local trips then the odd European trip of a few thousand miles

[elise2000]

Mikebentley said:

Had mine since May ‘22. It’s a D250 X Dynamic S with about £6k of extras. It’s been absolutely faultless. I chose this model because I wanted the smaller wheels and more tyre.

I wouldn’t personally touch a 4cyl diesel and they actually stopped selling them in Oct/Nov 2021 just as I ordered my 6 cyl car (make of that what you will). Previous car was an L494 Range Rover Sport. Wife loves it too and chose the colour.


Best option was the full length folding roof. Now fitted with gloss black steps and full size OEM Land Rover country mudflaps.

Nice spec

We’ve decided we definitely want the panoramic roof and the d250.

[elise2000]

Wilmslowboy said:

We have a 4 cylinder, which worked fine for us, including when loaded up 400kg of wife (plus 2, daughters, 2 big dogs and luggage).

Nice pic

I won’t ask for a break down of the weight!

[elise2000]

Rufus Stone said:

elise2000 said:

That’s a shame you don’t trust it. How old is the car? What mileage?

Going to test drive one next week so will see what we think then.

It's just one year old, 4000 miles.

It's just the starting that causes the lack of total trust. I worry one day it won't no matter how many times I press the button.

Dealer pic ...

Nice looking car

Can the starting issue not be looked into under warranty?

[elise2000]

Magan said:

Here is ours which has been 100% reliable, suffering from none of the niggles that others seem to have had. We have done quite a few family trips and the comfort levels, given its off-road capabilities, are superb.

We have also had 2 new FFRRs (L405s) and a new Evoque, and maybe we are just lucky but we have not had a single issue with any of them. Clearly things will always go wrong with cars that are growing increasingly complex with every iteration, but in our experience LR reliability has never been an issue.

That’s really helpful thanks

[elise2000]

Thanks for all the replies. Looking forward to test drive on Thursday.

Are there any must-have options in peoples opinions?

Certainly want the panoramic roof, 7 seats, heated/cooling seats (is that standard or an option?), and side steps (again, are they standard?)

Thanks

[elise2000]

Mikebentley said:

Side steps on a 110 are an £1100 option last time I looked. I purchased mine from Vulkan for £275 and fitted them myself. Are you looking at a new car or used? So much aftermarket stuff available.

Used

[elise2000]

EdJ said:

Another huge fan of the new Defender here. I've had a 2021 90 D300X for 9 months or so and love it.

I had a L405 FFRR before this (sold whilst I wait for new FFRR L460) and the new Defender is a huge jump up in quality. I honestly can't fault it and am trying to figure out if I could justify keeping it when the new car arrives.

That’s good to hear

[elise2000]

Herdwick said:

Coming up for 18months in our Defender, just completed our second trip to S of France in it, the most relaxing car we have ever had, even though we have had a number of Range Rovers and RRS in the past. Nearly bought a new Range Rover, but though we would try this, heated/cooled memory seats, nice stereo, handles as well as our last RR.

The engine is pretty much silent, just a bit of wind noise at French autoroute speeds, no issues with the car at all.

Except - we bought a '90', which means a compromise on space, great since there is just the 2 of us, but no good for collecting stuff from the builders merchants/Ikea etc.

Excellent, thanks for the info

[elise2000]

Great to hear lots of good feedback.

[elise2000]

Al_Ra said:

We've had our D300SE since July 2021. It's been back to the dealer once for a recall with the aux belt. Other than that there has been zero problems. It's been a fabulous car for us and has done many road trips. We're taking it to Morocco this summer.

It was a 2021 car so just before supply chain issues so we were able to get most of the toys - digital dash, larger screen, ClearSight mirror etc. We got the Country pack which means mud guards and full height load space partition. I definitely recommend both of these. With the ClearSight mirror it means you can fill the boot to the ceiling and still have perfect visibility.

It is a very tall vehicle though (2m) so you need to pay attention to max height signs in car parks.

Thanks for that.

We now have a test drive on Tuesday (last one postponed to illness), so will see how it goes

[elise2000]

Rufus Stone said:

elise2000 said:

Thanks for that.

We now have a test drive on Tuesday (last one postponed to illness), so will see how it goes

Well?

Very nice. Surprised how smooth and powerful it was. Very nice driving environment.

Going to start looking for one with the right spec in a few weeks after holiday.

[elise2000]

Mikebentley said:

OP what engine was your test drive car?

D300

[elise2000]

Have just bought one- thanks all for feedback. It arrives Friday. D300 hse xdynamic. Has a few options that we really wanted (hud, cooling seats, refrigerated centre console). Roof rack being fitted prior to delivery. Also has the advanced off road pack