City Of Barcelona Will Soon Be Using Linux

Original Poster

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109 months

Friday 12th January 2018

https://itsfoss.com/barcelona-open-source/

Will more follow and if so will Microsoft need to make big changes to its OS in an attempt to bing customers back to them?

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109 months

Friday 12th January 2018

dcb said:

Good to see them using a gradual approach. It gives time for user acceptance
and time for bugs to be ironed out.

Somewhat different to the Bavarian idea of writing their own bespoke version of Linux
and doing it all at once.

I have just been reading about Germany and their going back to Windows, I knew nothing about this
Here is a list of Linux adopters but it is very likely behind the times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopte...

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Friday 12th January 2018

sgtBerbatov said:

Sheepshanks said:

Haven't various councils and NHS Trusts tried to of the same here over the years?

Not to this extent no. I know that Parliament passed a motion that called for all digital word documents to be in the Open Document Format. But Microsoft started crying about it and appealed.

Plus, with the NHS, they're never given the right amount of money to do it properly and they never appoint the right people to do it. No matter how much Crapita protests.

Surely it is a must for the NHS to be using Linux, the management could then take more money out of the pool

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Friday 12th January 2018

sgtBerbatov said:

Penelope Stoppedit said:

sgtBerbatov said:

Sheepshanks said:

Haven't various councils and NHS Trusts tried to of the same here over the years?

Surely it is a must for the NHS to be using Linux, the management could then take more money out of the pool

Well you would think that, especially with all the Windows XP machines the organisation is running.

But a lot of their systems run on ActiveX poisoned pages, and it's expensive software that the developer might not want to port to Linux. Yes Linux has WINE and can run near enough everything but there's also the stability question which can cause problems, and to top it all off the training for the end users.

My mother in law is a nurse and she's useless with technology. God help the tech support who have to deal with her, after I had to explain Facebook to her.

Mmmm nothings straight forward

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Monday 15th January 2018

There is one thing for certain if barcelona does make the change. Yesterday I updated Debian Linux and there was no waiting for an update server connection, all the updates downloaded and installed very quickly without failed failed failed........ appearing anywhere
Barcelona could save many hours

Edit - Perhaps someone will be along in a moment to inform me that windows 10 updates without problems

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Monday 15th January 2018

Rawwr said:

Penelope Stopit said:

I think your problem - as highlighted by most of your combination of pro-Linux and anti-Microsoft posts - is that you have a very narrow view, perhaps only thinking of a single system. There are some very experienced Systems and Infrastructure guys on here and I'm fairly confident that the majority of them will accept that there's a place for everything; you use the right tool for the job.

A single home user using a single installation of Debian is one thing. A company or organisation having to manage tens-of-thousands of clients across many different locations all over the world and having to account for every variation of OS you can imagine, is quite another.

You have to be agnostic in this game or you'll ultimately drive yourself insane trying to come up with arguments to defend pointless tribalism.

Let me explain something, I am learning Debian Linux and up to now have had a good experience, I am posting this reply from a Windows 7 machine Why a Windows 7 machine you may ask, I could not believe that a company as big as Microsoft were capable of marketing Windows 8 and then rapidly ditching it for Windows 10 that doesn't work as I would expect an OS to work, privacy comes to mind. I have much knowledge about computing and computers yet this knowledge is nothing compaired to some others that post here. Now perhaps just for one minute you will put yourself in my position - 2 years ago I repaired 3 x friends Windows 7 computers over a period of about 2 weeks, I am no expert at repairing computers but do often get there in the end, it took me longer to clean install and update Windows 7 on 3 computers than it did to fix them

I cringe when anyone mentions Windows updates, I have had many hours waisted away due to Microsofts pathetic update system and that's putting it politely and lightly, I have had my fill with Microsoft and am hoping that by the time windows 7 is to be binned I will be a very happy Debian Linux chappy

Microsoft have pissed me right off - I paid full wack for windows 7 and Microsoft didn't highlight the fact that updating it would be an ongoing nightmare, Microsoft never altered their update procedure so that I could save all updates to a USB for future use, I do know that Microsoft had some 3rd party updates software warned off for storing and distributing update files

It seems to me that you watch out for me mentioning Linux and feel the need to lecture me about Microsoft. The reality is that I don't very often post about Debian Linux and I do use Windows 7 and like it...sometimes

You think I have a problem with Windows, I know I do. I can't even claim the price of my Windows updates bandwidth back, I like many have been had over

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Monday 15th January 2018

Rawwr said:

I read around 90% of the threads in this particular area of the forum and I always try to chip in when I see OS wars developing. It just so happens that some of the posts I massively degree with have been posted by you. As I said earlier in the thread, it's far better to be open-minded and agnostic rather than devout.

The fact you're still referencing Windows 7, which is coming up to 9 years old, and complaining about it is a good example of why I have issues with a lot of the things you say. If you want to do a true comparison, why not use whatever the version of Debian was in 2009? Lenny? It's like buying a new Ford Focus and saying how much more you prefer it to that rubbish old Ford Escort you used to have.

Realistically, how does Stretch compare to 10? As a desktop OS for an average home user? I personally think 10 edges ahead slightly and if someone was to ask me what OS they should use at home, I'd most likely recommend 10. Do I think Stretch is bad? No, not at all, it's fantastic for what it does and I totally understand anyone who wants to use it. I'm not going to sing the praises of either of them.

Is this some sort of a joke?
I'm not buying what you're selling
Are you trying to tell me that a year 2017 Windows 7 machine will not run as well as it did in 2010 or whatever?
My Windows 7 OS doesn't know that Microsoft stopped supporting it and only gives it security updates
My Windows 7 OS is oblivious to what Bill and his merry men are up to and is running as well if not better than it ever has done

Moving on, in the not to distant future I will be up to speed with Debian Linux and only be using Windows 7 for a few difficult tasks

I forgot to mention earlier that Windows 10 screwed up my partners laptop, Windows 7 was reinstalled, I have a hunch that the problem was caused by forced updates, the laptop would have been fine if Microsoft didn't keep pushing the Windows 10 upgrade at it

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