E400d 354bhp merc

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https://www.evo.co.uk/mercedes/e-class-estate/2225...

So Merc have released this beast to the U.K. public - revving well over 5,000 rpm apparently too with ease.

It’s competition BMW is now only the 530d so a meee 261 bhp. Such a shame BMW refuse to release the 540d and then the M550d in the U.K. yet do in the EU - maybe this will give BMW the kicker it needs.



0-62mph 5 seconds dead incredible

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This is almost last shape RS4 performance stats fast....

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Sebring440 said:

Welshbeef said:

This is almost last shape RS4 performance stats fast....

Give it a couple of years, you'll be able to buy one on Ebay.

You’d be crazy to do that - buy it used in a few years from the main dealer with the OEM warranty it comes with. Buying it from eBay .... the price would have to be so low for any sane person to buy.

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st4 said:

I wonder why you’d need a warranty on a Mercedes diesel...

If you go on a Mercedes forum all you’ll hear are sound bites like “they go on and on” and “100k miles run in I heard some bloke on the Internet did 300k miles in 2 months” or other such willy waving

Do you buy new cars or car a couple of years old without warranty? The warranty is bumper to bumper so even if the engine is hewn from granite it doesnt mean anything else might go wrong.


300k in 60 days WTAF that’s 5,000 miles a day 209mph average speed every hour for 60 days straight
2,500-3,000 miles a week maybe so 24k in 60 days ish could happen but if commercial use the warranty is different anyway

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yonex said:

Can’t see what all the fuss is about. Bloody great taxi with a big engine.

Isn’t it outputting similar to the BMW Aplina D5?

BMW offer Europe the 540d the M550d and the alpine D5.

U.K. get offered now 530d 261bhp.... my 8 year old F10 OE is 535d 300bhp and the run out versions were 313/318bhp what a massive setback.
The 540i is nice but as BMW are making the 540d and 550d surely the cost per unit would decrease if they offered it RHD (F10 couldn’t have M550d unit due to a shell design issue but the current 5 series doesn’t have that issue).

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theboss said:

I think BMW have lost their way somewhat by omitting the higher output diesels from the UK range. I can understand them deciding it wasn’t worth selling the 550i here for the handful ever shifted but I see loads of 335d and 535d on the roads. Good to see MB filling the gap.

Yep.

It does appear now that in diesel technology rather than BMW leading the way Merc is followed by Saudi and BMW coming up last.
Take petrol engines too and the E63 trounced the BMW M5 (needing a bigger engine and still lower power) then when the new RS6 comes out it could be a mere 2.9v6 mega turbo engine.

BMW are falling being and essentially relying on an M5 engine that first saw light in 2011. Merc instead had the 6.2v8 followed by the 5.5v8 bi turbo and then a couple of iterations of the hot vee 4.0 V8 bi Turbo.
Latest M5 will keep the same sort of power plant for this generation which means the base engine in production forwhat 12-15years... not great.

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yonex said:

I’d rather have a lower powered BMW. which is actually half decent to drive, than the latest ‘thing’ from Audi/Mercedes.

The Latest 5 series E class and A6 are so similar in every practical way. These are mile munching barges period.

Could you post a formal link from say Eco/Autocar/Car/Driven etc which compares the 3 and outs the BMW ahead of the field

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Croutons said:

Diesel sales down 38% last year. Before you’ve considered the exchange rate. Why would manufacturers bring out RHD specials just for us, “because it does 0-60 in 5 seconds”? There isn’t the volume.

No one is buying these dinosaurs new. Leasing them is not competitive because of the ste residuals.

Yet another thread where Welshy decides its Welshy’s opinion that matters, not reality.

Stop pouncing on posters instead debate - which you did rightly, let down by the last bit.

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yonex said:

Couldn’t disagree more.

Evidence v gut feeling

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Exige77 said:

Trounced ?

To buy new
261bhp v 354bhp 36% more power is like night and day.

The 535d trounced the 530d in the F10 which was a much smaller gap so this beast really does the business

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Exige77 said:

You mentioned “trounced” with respect to another engine comparison.

Yes latest M5 has 575bhp latest E63 has what 612bhp from a smaller capacity.

What am I missing?

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aponting389 said:

Welshbeef said:

Yes latest M5 has 575bhp latest E63 has what 612bhp from a smaller capacity.

What am I missing?

the facts?

E63 563bhp
E63s 604hp

M5 592bhp
M5 Competition 616bhp

And
4.0 v 4.4ltr

Taking standard models the power per ltr is
Merc E63 140.75bhp/ltr
BMW M5 135.55bhp/ltr

So the Merc produces 5.3% more power per ltr - maybe trounced is a bit strong but beaten/lost is fair.

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Monkeylegend said:

Welshbeef said:

Isn’t it outputting similar to the BMW Aplina D5?

BMW offer Europe the 540d the M550d and the alpine D5.

U.K. get offered now 530d 261bhp.... my 8 year old F10 OE is 535d 300bhp and the run out versions were 313/318bhp what a massive setback.
The 540i is nice but as BMW are making the 540d and 550d surely the cost per unit would decrease if they offered it RHD (F10 couldn’t have M550d unit due to a shell design issue but the current 5 series doesn’t have that issue).

Good to see you still posting WB, thought you might have been sent to the naughty step after the vulva thread

I was very confused at that one - it’s headlines news on the guardian and yet PistonHeads have stricter rules.
The guardian did another article on Sunday - you can guess it was about peckers.

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yonex said:

What exactly is this thread about. It started talking about diesel barges and is now into dick waving about 600HP M/AMG variants?

Is there a point?

It’s about the Diesel - however a poster challenged a few times as such I responded.

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Salmonofdoubt said:

I'm sure a warranty is nice to have but the OP claimed it would take a crazy person to buy one out of warranty. Plenty of people run 350d and x35/40d engines and a number of other high powered diesels out of warranty and aren't constantly paying a mechanic to keep it running.

No
I replied to someone who said buy one on eBay instead or “I’m sure you might find one on eBay” to which I replied you’d be crazy to do that no OEM AUC warranty - unless it is a boatload less.

I think it was the poster who loves 944’s who brought up eBay...

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yonex said:

Welshbeef said:

No
I replied to someone who said buy one on eBay instead or “I’m sure you might find one on eBay” to which I replied you’d be crazy to do that no OEM AUC warranty - unless it is a boatload less.

I think it was the poster who loves 944’s who brought up eBay...

I think he was referring to the now infamous eBay purchase?

Could be wrong though.

I know that’s why I replied - those trolls need feeding.

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Ares said:

Yes, because bhp/litre is the most critical metric for a sports saloon

(and mine has 173bhp/litre...so it trounces both an M5 AND E63...??)

In terms of technology it is - it’s a superior value given very similar end outputs. It’s not like comparing a nitro RAdio controlled car to a Shelby 427 is it. They are apples with apples.

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Ares said:

You are funny. So my little £65k Alfa is 20% better than a M5 or E63 because it has a greater bhp/litre?

And that Lamborghini Aventador must be utterly st, it barely makes 100bhp/litre.

It’s a metric.
Given SIMILAR engine size the E63 punches harder than the M5 hence my tongue in cheek point of a nitro RC v a Cobra 427.

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yonex said:

'E400d 345bhp merc'

The E63 is a different car completely to the M5.

Pointless thread is pointless.

Can we get back to the main point - why are Audi and BMW not delivering the large exec big derv.

I think it’s great one of the top car makers are ploughing ahead giving the public options + of course as they are offering it in other countries it’s spreadibgvthe R&D costs over a larger number of units.

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Ares said:

Welshbeef said:

Ares said:

You are funny. So my little £65k Alfa is 20% better than a M5 or E63 because it has a greater bhp/litre?

And that Lamborghini Aventador must be utterly st, it barely makes 100bhp/litre.

It’s a metric.
Given SIMILAR engine size the E63 punches harder than the M5 hence my tongue in cheek point of a nitro RC v a Cobra 427.

So my little 510hp sports saloon our punches the 560hp E63 sports saloon....?

0-100mph 8.1 for your Alfa.
https://fastestlaps.com/models/alfa-romeo-giulia-q...

0-100mph 7.7?for the E63 so yes your punching - don’t you see that?
https://fastestlaps.com/models/mercedes-benz-e-63-...