105 engine specialists
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if you were in the market for an uprated fast road engine for your 105 (is this the NORD engine as its called?) who would be your preferred builder and why?
If i ever do find the perfect 105 step front, i'd love to slip say a 2 litre in and get something like 160-200bhp without making it undriveable or ill mannered. Preferably suitable for carbs, any advice, cost expectations or comments appreciated.
i also understand that with a little work the Alfa type 75 block can also be fitted without too much hassle?
not 100% up as such on the blocks/swaps available. i did see the V6 conversion at the NEC classic, but i think thats a step too far tbh.
If i ever do find the perfect 105 step front, i'd love to slip say a 2 litre in and get something like 160-200bhp without making it undriveable or ill mannered. Preferably suitable for carbs, any advice, cost expectations or comments appreciated.
i also understand that with a little work the Alfa type 75 block can also be fitted without too much hassle?
not 100% up as such on the blocks/swaps available. i did see the V6 conversion at the NEC classic, but i think thats a step too far tbh.
I need a car first, this is just the ideas stage :-)
Road car driveability wise what can you expect safely on a 2litre nord 8v without it being hard work to drive ? Been reading the articles on guy chamberlain forum as and when I Can, not as easy or cheap to tune as the modern 16v stuff like Zetec etc.
Road car driveability wise what can you expect safely on a 2litre nord 8v without it being hard work to drive ? Been reading the articles on guy chamberlain forum as and when I Can, not as easy or cheap to tune as the modern 16v stuff like Zetec etc.
James B said:
200Plus Club said:
I need a car first, this is just the ideas stage :-)
Road car driveability wise what can you expect safely on a 2litre nord 8v without it being hard work to drive ? Been reading the articles on guy chamberlain forum as and when I Can, not as easy or cheap to tune as the modern 16v stuff like Zetec etc.
The Nord in my race/road 105 is about 180ish bhp and perfectly driveable on the road and still competitive on the track. I understand that going much beyond this, power-wise, is an expensive process.Road car driveability wise what can you expect safely on a 2litre nord 8v without it being hard work to drive ? Been reading the articles on guy chamberlain forum as and when I Can, not as easy or cheap to tune as the modern 16v stuff like Zetec etc.
Does the stock propshaft diff etc stand upto it ok? 180bhp sounds perfect if the cost is manageable. Love to hear more on what was done and who by if poss.
viggyp said:
I'd go with Guy Croft as he really does his homework and inspects the engines.
A lot of people ask him how much power he can get out of an engine even though he's never worked on that particular engine before hence the homework before the tune.
yes i'm reading his forum and its very interesting tbh, hes obviously very technically competent and also experienced, hes obviously learned a lot from years on engine building on these and others. A lot of people ask him how much power he can get out of an engine even though he's never worked on that particular engine before hence the homework before the tune.
coetzeeh said:
these guys are probably a bit OTT but never the less interesting stuff. http://www.formulagt.de/showroom/parts
If you are looking for a good TS engine drop me a PM.
Sent you a few emails without reply as yet?If you are looking for a good TS engine drop me a PM.
scottos said:
Amac Engineering - Ask for Alistair and have a chat 01609 779600
cheers for that, have struggled to even talk to people about options tbh. i did start a conversation with Guy Croft but it wasnt encouraging as such, in relation to building a 2 litre, he was sort of saying just stick with the 1600 cc in it and work with what you've got. surely someone somewhere can knock up a solid 2 litre nord which can make 160bhp without going pop lolfergus said:
200Plus Club said:
cheers for that, have struggled to even talk to people about options tbh. i did start a conversation with Guy Croft but it wasnt encouraging as such, in relation to building a 2 litre, he was sort of saying just stick with the 1600 cc in it and work with what you've got. surely someone somewhere can knock up a solid 2 litre nord which can make 160bhp without going pop lol
Can you not have a go yourself? Some tidying up of the head, motronic pistons, and some decent cams will get you 99% of the way there, (on the std valves).i think one of the issues Guy was saying is that so many of the 2 litre blocks he sees come in are already wrecked/worn beyond any sensible work being done.
I'm ok for assembling bits n bobs but wouldnt want to take on an engine build myself, ive no knowledge of the nord other than what i've read so far, Guy Crofts forum is very interesting reading some of the pitfalls! :-)
arguti said:
If your budget is unlimited you could try Guy Croft - total perfectionist and knows these engines well.
well tbh i did start a conversation with him, which ended quickly. he basically said dont bother trying with a 2 litre they are all knackerred, and stick with the 1600. i then asked what could be done and for how much, and got no reply. James B said:
Hi I'm really sorry for being so late in responding. I had completely missed your reply.
I am still on carbs; twin 45 Dellortos to be precise.
Dizzy is standard as my series won't allow the fancy 123 type.
I'm running an Alfaholics prop and rear diff and the car came with a modified rear diff with LSD when i got it so i can't really say what it was capable of previously.
Full spec of my car is on my build thread here;
Alfa Romeo GT Junior racer
cheers james i will have a look later! I am still on carbs; twin 45 Dellortos to be precise.
Dizzy is standard as my series won't allow the fancy 123 type.
I'm running an Alfaholics prop and rear diff and the car came with a modified rear diff with LSD when i got it so i can't really say what it was capable of previously.
Full spec of my car is on my build thread here;
Alfa Romeo GT Junior racer
Great collection.
My inspiration was the Alfaholics GTAR with serious grunt. I'd rather build a car with some decent poke than have to thrash a 1600cc lump to death and even with a lot of money thrown at it for road use it's not likely to make great power either reliably or cheaply I guess.
By all means post up your Nord engine build details :-)
My inspiration was the Alfaholics GTAR with serious grunt. I'd rather build a car with some decent poke than have to thrash a 1600cc lump to death and even with a lot of money thrown at it for road use it's not likely to make great power either reliably or cheaply I guess.
By all means post up your Nord engine build details :-)
If the right car came along with a TS fitted at the right price I'd be interested. I'm not a purist in that sense. I just want something reasonably strong and useable. Think I mentioned before somewhere that my sunbeam lotus with 150bhp was a nice balance for a carb powered car that was tractable.
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