Star Wars: The Last Jedi (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[ukaskew]

Guvernator said:

I'd also question why a franchise this big was given to Johnson in the first place? OK Looper was pretty decent but that's the only big movie he made before being given TLJ

Whilst they're at pains to suggest otherwise, I can't help but feel that he's a safe pair of hands to execute the vision of Kennedy etc. They binned Lord and Miller, hardly yes man and they have their own style, they binned Trevorrow, by all accounts a man with a very single minded vision. Despite remaining on good terms Gareth Edwards work on Rogue One was heavy unstitched.

All that points to a team behind the scenes having a very clear path of where they want to take Star Wars and to hell with anyone who disagrees with that.

Relatively inexperienced/indie directors taking on mega projects isn't unusual so I don't think that was the issue as such. Look at Jurassic World, Thor: Ragnarok, Guardians of the Galaxy, Godzilla, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes etc.

[Halb]

THe indie hit director who is then given the keys to the piggy bank to make a tentpole film, only for then that director to be pushed out a side door while a more established old hand comes in, is a MO RLM regularly points out. It's becoming a thing. And is why we get films with such disjointed aspects. Just off the top of my head I can think of three from recent times.

[Guvernator]

I seems now more than ever some studios are looking for yes men rather than a director who can bring their own vision. Normally only the worst hacks would be associated with this kind of film making like WS Anderson or Uwe Boll but it seems more and more directors are willing to just accept a paycheck and then bend over for the studio execs. I get the feeling this was more Kennedy\Disney film then it was a Rian Johnson film

[ukaskew]

Guvernator said:

I seems now more than ever some studios are looking for yes men rather than a director who can bring their own vision. Normally only the worst hacks would be associated with this kind of film making like WS Anderson or Uwe Boll but it seems more and more directors are willing to just accept a paycheck and then bend over for the studio execs. I get the feeling this was more Kennedy\Disney film then it was a Rian Johnson film

Taiki Waititi discussed in an interview that during pre-production and even filming of Thor Ragnarok he kept his 'inserts' (jokes, mainly) quiet and never discussed just how far he was planning on pushing that aspect with the execs etc. He knew he'd never get it signed off beforehand, but was confident that if he presented the actual footage to them they would run with it.

[p1stonhead]

Halb said:

THe indie hit director who is then given the keys to the piggy bank to make a tentpole film, only for then that director to be pushed out a side door while a more established old hand comes in, is a MO RLM regularly points out. It's becoming a thing. And is why we get films with such disjointed aspects. Just off the top of my head I can think of three from recent times.

They obviously trust him considering they have given him his own trilogy too.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star...

[jonm01]

ben5575 said:

Talking of back peddling...

Those books are completed well before the films release

[chris watton]

jonm01 said:

ben5575 said:

Talking of back peddling...

Those books are completed well before the films release

Even though, as a space bomber, it makes no sense whatsoever. What was wrong with the Y-Wing bombers, that fired torpedoes from a safe distance, rather than lumbering right up to a multi-cannon capital ship, hovering on top of the hull to drop its payload. In any universe, that is just mental!

[p1stonhead]

chris watton said:

jonm01 said:

ben5575 said:

Talking of back peddling...

Those books are completed well before the films release

Even though, as a space bomber, it makes no sense whatsoever. What was wrong with the Y-Wing bombers, that fired torpedoes from a safe distance, rather than lumbering right up to a multi-cannon capital ship, hovering on top of the hull to drop its payload. In any universe, that is just mental!

Or why not just do it from underneath the dreadnought because there is no ‘down’ in space.

I guess the top brass on board had to be able to see it happening in front of them....

[funkyrobot]

p1stonhead said:

chris watton said:

jonm01 said:

ben5575 said:

Talking of back peddling...

Those books are completed well before the films release

Even though, as a space bomber, it makes no sense whatsoever. What was wrong with the Y-Wing bombers, that fired torpedoes from a safe distance, rather than lumbering right up to a multi-cannon capital ship, hovering on top of the hull to drop its payload. In any universe, that is just mental!

Or why not just do it from underneath the dreadnought because there is no ‘down’ in space.

I guess the top brass on board had to be able to see it happening in front of them....

I guess if the producers had their way, the bombs would consist of nasty, white, heterosexual men curled up around a hand grenade.

[Halb]

Tie bombers were used in Empire, though they seemed more like directional torpedoes or something.

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[ben5575]

funkyrobot said:

I guess if the producers had their way, the bombs would consist of nasty, white, heterosexual men curled up around a hand grenade.

That made me chuckle.

[Ayahuasca]

funkyrobot said:

p1stonhead said:

chris watton said:

jonm01 said:

ben5575 said:

Talking of back peddling...

Those books are completed well before the films release

Even though, as a space bomber, it makes no sense whatsoever. What was wrong with the Y-Wing bombers, that fired torpedoes from a safe distance, rather than lumbering right up to a multi-cannon capital ship, hovering on top of the hull to drop its payload. In any universe, that is just mental!

Or why not just do it from underneath the dreadnought because there is no ‘down’ in space.

I guess the top brass on board had to be able to see it happening in front of them....

I guess if the producers had their way, the bombs would consist of nasty, white, heterosexual men curled up around a hand grenade.

Did the hand-held release mechanism have sequenced magnetic plates too then, as I seem to recall it falling?

Edited by Ayahuasca on Tuesday 23 January 21:39

[Leithen]

housen said:

oh and if u want to destroy empire star ships

just program a st cruiser to light speed in to them ?

hell you could do that to a death star too maybe ?????

It's been a rather large plot hole since 1977....

No doubt some nerd will attempt to explain why it wasn't a problem in the original, but is now...

[Halb]

Well it's never been a plot hole in any sci-fi show that uses hyperspace/FTL/wormhole whatever you wanna call it, cause it would just reduce anything, they have PCs to make sure they won't pop out of hyperspace into something, that's how Han explained it in Star Wars.
I'm a nerd but I have no idea if there have any totally made up real answers in the SW universe, it's all magic anyway.

[Moonhawk]

Leithen said:

housen said:

oh and if u want to destroy empire star ships

just program a st cruiser to light speed in to them ?

hell you could do that to a death star too maybe ?????

It's been a rather large plot hole since 1977....

No doubt some nerd will attempt to explain why it wasn't a problem in the original, but is now...

There seems to be a fairly consistent unwritten 'scifi physics' rule that states ships in hyperspace/at warp - cannot impact objects not in hyperspace/at warp.

Pretty much every scifi movie going has stuck by this unwritten rule.........until TLJ of course.

TLJ created a massive plot hole in the entire SW franchise by pissing all over this unwritten rule.

It makes all the Empire's super weapons as well as the rebel fighter pilots sacrifice assaulting these super weapons completely pointless. Just grab a transport ship - load it up with a million tonnes of rock and an R2 unit - then hurl it at light speed at the nearest target......rinse and repeat.

[Ayahuasca]

Halb said:

Well it's never been a plot hole in any sci-fi show that uses hyperspace/FTL/wormhole whatever you wanna call it, cause it would just reduce anything, they have PCs to make sure they won't pop out of hyperspace into something, that's how Han explained it in Star Wars.
I'm a nerd but I have no idea if there have any totally made up real answers in the SW universe, it's all magic anyway.

How about:

Nothing that has mass can achieve light speed or beyond, as it would need infinite energy to power it.

Therefore the warp mechanism eliminates a ship's mass.

No mass = no good as a missile.

I realise this is not a completely developed theory

[Halb]

Ayahuasca said:

How about:

Nothing that has mass can achieve light speed or beyond, as it would need infinite energy to power it.

Therefore the warp mechanism eliminates a ship's mass.

No mass = no good as a missile.

I realise this is not a completely developed theory

THat's as good as any. I think in my own head it's like mine, I had them turn into neutrinos and have a way for their atoms to pass by other atoms since atoms are mostly empty space...or something.
Like ghosts

[glazbagun]

Yeah Babylon 5 used Hyperspace (and used it to blow up ships, too!) which was almost entirely fantasy and zero science, but it was more consistent rules over 116 episodes than Star Wars over 8 films.

[gavsdavs]

Moonhawk said:

True - but a lot of that will have come along with the goodwill fans had off the back of TFA an R1.

Based on the reaction TLJ has got - I suspect future movies will have a much harder time. Much of the goodwill seems to have been eroded.

I’ll certainly be holding off a visit to the cinema for the next couple of films.

^This.

I won't go to see a star wars movie in the cinema again. The impact of this film isn't/won't be seen in the revenue take for TLJ, it'll be in the next star wars film Rian Johnson is involved in. It will be WAY down on the normal box office.

It also highlighted to me how easily bought most critics are.

[p1stonhead]

This sums up my thoughts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8ir66M5XU