Just how rubbish were Roger Moore's James Bond films?
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As much as we'd like to think it's the actors that define each 'Bond', it is in fact the Directors that shape the character of each incarnation.
The Roger Moore version of Bond was shaped by John Glen and Albert Broccoli who wanted Bond to appeal to wider demographic who were being enticed back to the cinema with big-box-blockbusters like Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Mad Max and the like. Broccoli was concerned Bond was becoming too 'gritty' and didn't want Britain's best loved 'Spy' to become embroiled in deep and dark cold-war shenanigans. Hence the Bond 'caricature' depicted by Roger Moore.
John Glen directed all of Moore's Bond films.
The Roger Moore version of Bond was shaped by John Glen and Albert Broccoli who wanted Bond to appeal to wider demographic who were being enticed back to the cinema with big-box-blockbusters like Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Mad Max and the like. Broccoli was concerned Bond was becoming too 'gritty' and didn't want Britain's best loved 'Spy' to become embroiled in deep and dark cold-war shenanigans. Hence the Bond 'caricature' depicted by Roger Moore.
John Glen directed all of Moore's Bond films.
Halmyre said:
Is it only in the Moore films that they brought back characters from earlier films? Pepper turned up in The Man With The Golden Gun, and Jaws in Moonraker, neither of which added anything of value to the plot save for comic relief.
Valentino in Goldeneye was brought back for The World Is Not EnoughEvercross said:
Arrrgh!
Missing the point entirely - Bond intentionally goes to that specific hotel because he knew it was a front for the Chinese Intelligence Service and was expecting to be recognised!
Ah yes, I did forget that. As I was writing it, I recalled the people behind the mirror filming him, but thought no more about it. Missing the point entirely - Bond intentionally goes to that specific hotel because he knew it was a front for the Chinese Intelligence Service and was expecting to be recognised!
Halmyre said:
Is it only in the Moore films that they brought back characters from earlier films? Pepper turned up in The Man With The Golden Gun, and Jaws in Moonraker, neither of which added anything of value to the plot save for comic relief.
There's always Joe Don Baker, who starts off as a fairly high-profile baddie in one of the Timothy Dalton films, and then suddenly pops up as a CIA agent in Goldeneye. But that's not quite the same thing. droopsnoot said:
Evercross said:
Arrrgh!
Missing the point entirely - Bond intentionally goes to that specific hotel because he knew it was a front for the Chinese Intelligence Service and was expecting to be recognised!
Ah yes, I did forget that. As I was writing it, I recalled the people behind the mirror filming him, but thought no more about it. Missing the point entirely - Bond intentionally goes to that specific hotel because he knew it was a front for the Chinese Intelligence Service and was expecting to be recognised!
Halmyre said:
Is it only in the Moore films that they brought back characters from earlier films? Pepper turned up in The Man With The Golden Gun, and Jaws in Moonraker, neither of which added anything of value to the plot save for comic relief.
There's always Joe Don Baker, who starts off as a fairly high-profile baddie in one of the Timothy Dalton films, and then suddenly pops up as a CIA agent in Goldeneye. But that's not quite the same thing. Halmyre said:
droopsnoot said:
Evercross said:
Arrrgh!
Missing the point entirely - Bond intentionally goes to that specific hotel because he knew it was a front for the Chinese Intelligence Service and was expecting to be recognised!
Ah yes, I did forget that. As I was writing it, I recalled the people behind the mirror filming him, but thought no more about it. Missing the point entirely - Bond intentionally goes to that specific hotel because he knew it was a front for the Chinese Intelligence Service and was expecting to be recognised!
Halmyre said:
Is it only in the Moore films that they brought back characters from earlier films? Pepper turned up in The Man With The Golden Gun, and Jaws in Moonraker, neither of which added anything of value to the plot save for comic relief.
There's always Joe Don Baker, who starts off as a fairly high-profile baddie in one of the Timothy Dalton films, and then suddenly pops up as a CIA agent in Goldeneye. But that's not quite the same thing. Crossflow Kid said:
StevieBee said:
John Glen directed all of Moore's Bond films.
No he didn’t. He was heavily involved in most of them by way of editing etc but only actually directed the last three.
Although a quick search reveals he was Second Unit Director the others (as well as Editor) which is why I was thinking 'Director'.
Fundoreen said:
But the burning question is who would win in a fight between them all at thier best age? Lazenby is excused because he has previous training.
I think Moore would be a lot higher up the list than you think.
I think Moore would be a lot higher up the list than you think.
irocfan said:
Cold said:
AJB88 said:
Sean was a bodybuilder back in the day.
Good point. He'd be out early on simply because he'd be exhausted. Brosnan used to do a bit of boxing so he could be quite handy.
I worked at Rank Film at Denham during the Roger Moore era of Bond and got to see him many times when I was on gate duty .
He was always very pleasant and polite , a proper gent . I found out later in life that my grandmother looked after Roger Moore when he used to stay at a local hotel in the days before he became famous. Gran wouldn't have a word said against him and often had a twinkle in her eye whenever he was mentioned, sharing of cocoa was often mentioned in wishful thinking.
He was always very pleasant and polite , a proper gent . I found out later in life that my grandmother looked after Roger Moore when he used to stay at a local hotel in the days before he became famous. Gran wouldn't have a word said against him and often had a twinkle in her eye whenever he was mentioned, sharing of cocoa was often mentioned in wishful thinking.
Crossflow Kid said:
Robbie Coltrane appeared twice as Russian not-very-good-gangsta Zukovsky in the Brosnan era.
There’s also this guy from Moore’s era...
That would be Victor Tourjansky. He was the assistant director for the Italian locations. There’s also this guy from Moore’s era...
He appears again, drinking in Moonraker in Venice (as above) and drinking in For Your Eyes Only when Bond skis across the table.
In A View To A Kill a similar character, the Taxi Driver with a glass of wine in hand, is played by Lucien Jérôme.
Halmyre said:
Is it only in the Moore films that they brought back characters from earlier films? Pepper turned up in The Man With The Golden Gun, and Jaws in Moonraker, neither of which added anything of value to the plot save for comic relief.
Sylvia Trench appeared in 'Dr No' and 'From Russia with love'.Halmyre said:
That's like Charles Gray turning up as two different characters; minor good guy in You Only Live Twice and chief villain in Diamonds Are Forever.
Gray is also supposed to have done the voice over for the cheesefest pyramids Son et Lumiere show in 'The spy who loved me'.Roger Moore Bond movies are amazing and capture the age fantastically - the chase sequences are some of the most exciting and realistic in the whole series - no computer graphics to ruin the stunts. The motorbike ski slope chase In For Your eyes Only is amazing as is the 2CV car chase.
Never take a Bond movie seriously, just let it flow over you and enjoy it. Saying that, Penis Brosnan Bonds movies are pants.
Never take a Bond movie seriously, just let it flow over you and enjoy it. Saying that, Penis Brosnan Bonds movies are pants.
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