RE: Toyota Corolla T Sport | Shed of the Week
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I had a compressor for a while. To be fair it was a lovely, well cared for example and as a road car was great.
Mine had uprated suspension and on the road it was absolutely fine if a little stiff. It wasn't mega fast but had about the right amount of power for the road and the supercharger took care of the lack of torque and sounded great. It was terrible on fuel, but that didn't bother me as I didn't do big mileage in it.
I took it on a track day and the flaws in the chassis and brakes really came out. I sold it shortly after and is one of the few car I regret selling.
Mine had uprated suspension and on the road it was absolutely fine if a little stiff. It wasn't mega fast but had about the right amount of power for the road and the supercharger took care of the lack of torque and sounded great. It was terrible on fuel, but that didn't bother me as I didn't do big mileage in it.
I took it on a track day and the flaws in the chassis and brakes really came out. I sold it shortly after and is one of the few car I regret selling.
Tyre Smoke said:
I just couldn't get past the fact that I'd look and feel like Doris going to Sainsburys for a few bits. Never mind how quick it might be.
I think for some people, that's part of the appeal 
Not as good as an EP3 Civic, but a lot cheaper to buy, and none of the "VTEC just kicked in yo!" image baggage
xstian said:
I had a compressor for a while. To be fair it was a lovely, well cared for example and as a road car was great.
Mine had uprated suspension and on the road it was absolutely fine if a little stiff. It wasn't mega fast but had about the right amount of power for the road and the supercharger took care of the lack of torque and sounded great. It was terrible on fuel, but that didn't bother me as I didn't do big mileage in it.
I took it on a track day and the flaws in the chassis and brakes really came out. I sold it shortly after and is one of the few car I regret selling.
Yeah as someone else pointed out, it had a potent engine but an insipid chasis. It sounded like a bit of an afterthought. Mine had uprated suspension and on the road it was absolutely fine if a little stiff. It wasn't mega fast but had about the right amount of power for the road and the supercharger took care of the lack of torque and sounded great. It was terrible on fuel, but that didn't bother me as I didn't do big mileage in it.
I took it on a track day and the flaws in the chassis and brakes really came out. I sold it shortly after and is one of the few car I regret selling.
RoperWilliams said:
They quoted the 60 as 8.4 but it’s like under 7.
Without sounding like an apologist for the car, it was a hardcore engine in a rather pipe and slippers chassis.
This sums it up perfectly. I bought one the exact same as this weeks shed. Great engine, average car. Without sounding like an apologist for the car, it was a hardcore engine in a rather pipe and slippers chassis.
The engine was destined for my MR2 Mk3 where it's now much more at home.
spreadsheet monkey said:
Tyre Smoke said:
I just couldn't get past the fact that I'd look and feel like Doris going to Sainsburys for a few bits. Never mind how quick it might be.
I think for some people, that's part of the appeal Not as good as an EP3 Civic, but a lot cheaper to buy, and none of the "VTEC just kicked in yo!" image baggage
king mighty.I had one about 8 years ago. Same year and colour but had a quality perforated leather seats.
Great car and while the facelift handled better the looks in my opinion became more messy and it lost the Optitron dials inside.
I wish I hadn’t sold it as it was a great car to live with on a daily basis and the engine did give you thrills when you wanted.
Off cam it was just like any other 140 HP 1.8 unit in a compact hatchback - far from sluggish as some people on here seem to suggest.
I would have another, have been looking at ads but unfortunately cannot justify another car at the moment while working from home.
Great car and while the facelift handled better the looks in my opinion became more messy and it lost the Optitron dials inside.
I wish I hadn’t sold it as it was a great car to live with on a daily basis and the engine did give you thrills when you wanted.
Off cam it was just like any other 140 HP 1.8 unit in a compact hatchback - far from sluggish as some people on here seem to suggest.
I would have another, have been looking at ads but unfortunately cannot justify another car at the moment while working from home.
Hate Corollas! :-)
Where I live the only decent option for the last three decades has been a Corolla or a Civic.
Civics are usually as well made, have better interiors, more punchy engines, better manual shifters and better suspensions (harder though which some don't like). They don't resell as well as a Corolla and are not as tough in the long run. I have almost always opted for Honda over Toyota personally.
Where I live the only decent option for the last three decades has been a Corolla or a Civic.
Civics are usually as well made, have better interiors, more punchy engines, better manual shifters and better suspensions (harder though which some don't like). They don't resell as well as a Corolla and are not as tough in the long run. I have almost always opted for Honda over Toyota personally.
GTEYE said:
Mr Tidy said:
Well it would certainly pass under the radar for a hot hatch!
But where did all those bhp disappear to on Japanese cars?
I sold a 52 plate BMW E46 325ti Compact with a claimed 192bhp but 7 seconds to 60 for that sort of money 3 years ago, and it had only done 103K miles.
Now where is my flak-jacket.
You should be wearing that flak jacket…But where did all those bhp disappear to on Japanese cars?
I sold a 52 plate BMW E46 325ti Compact with a claimed 192bhp but 7 seconds to 60 for that sort of money 3 years ago, and it had only done 103K miles.
Now where is my flak-jacket.
I’d suggest 189bhp was quite impressive back then for a normally aspirated 1.8 - a bit like a Honda V-TEC of the era, high revving but light on torque.
You can’t compare everything to your old 325ti….
On the Corolla, time hasn’t been particularly kind to the styling, but £1,500 doesn’t buy much in today’s market so it’s probably worth it. Not for me though.
apm142001 said:
Mr Tidy said:
Well it would certainly pass under the radar for a hot hatch!
But where did all those bhp disappear to on Japanese cars?
I sold a 52 plate BMW E46 325ti Compact with a claimed 192bhp but 7 seconds to 60 for that sort of money 3 years ago, and it had only done 103K miles.
Now where is my flak-jacket.
The 325 has 35% more torque though (181 lb ft), so even with similar power figures the acceleration is going to be better. Possible that the BMW is geared towards acceleration too. But where did all those bhp disappear to on Japanese cars?
I sold a 52 plate BMW E46 325ti Compact with a claimed 192bhp but 7 seconds to 60 for that sort of money 3 years ago, and it had only done 103K miles.
Now where is my flak-jacket.
The Corolla was a curio those wasnt it. I drove one back in the day and it was absolutely gutless below 5,000 RPM - incredibly peaky, but the lunge at the top end was very exhilarating. Flat out through the gears to me it didnt feel much slower than a Clio 182 I drove along the same stretch of road. Also, 189BHP from 1.8 litres. Does that make it the only n/a UK market (non JDM) n/a hot hatch ever sold here that broke 100 BHP per litre? I don't think any of the UK edition Civics did but I may be wrong.......
cookie1600 said:
I think it's about 8.4 seconds for the standard 140hp 1.8 Toyota. Plenty of vids of them having similar performance to a Civic EP3 Type R, so roughly 15 second quarter mile time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CwmXnM48cI
greenarrow said:
apm142001 said:
Mr Tidy said:
Well it would certainly pass under the radar for a hot hatch!
But where did all those bhp disappear to on Japanese cars?
I sold a 52 plate BMW E46 325ti Compact with a claimed 192bhp but 7 seconds to 60 for that sort of money 3 years ago, and it had only done 103K miles.
Now where is my flak-jacket.
The 325 has 35% more torque though (181 lb ft), so even with similar power figures the acceleration is going to be better. Possible that the BMW is geared towards acceleration too. But where did all those bhp disappear to on Japanese cars?
I sold a 52 plate BMW E46 325ti Compact with a claimed 192bhp but 7 seconds to 60 for that sort of money 3 years ago, and it had only done 103K miles.
Now where is my flak-jacket.
The Corolla was a curio those wasnt it. I drove one back in the day and it was absolutely gutless below 5,000 RPM - incredibly peaky, but the lunge at the top end was very exhilarating. Flat out through the gears to me it didnt feel much slower than a Clio 182 I drove along the same stretch of road. Also, 189BHP from 1.8 litres. Does that make it the only n/a UK market (non JDM) n/a hot hatch ever sold here that broke 100 BHP per litre? I don't think any of the UK edition Civics did but I may be wrong.......
The 2.5 BMW powerplant is a thing of beauty. Bigger bore and shorter stroke compared to the 3.0 so it likes to rev. The ti also got a shorter final drive so it will feel a little bit quicker in the mid range compared to the e46 saloon/coupe/touring. Combine that with less weight and you're probably closer to the e46 330 in performance.
cookie1600 said:
So has he actually timed that or just used some brochure figures?If it’s actually been timed it’s roughly the same as a 1976 2-litre Escort which everyone on here knows are crazily slow
I suspect not…..
I had a 2005 Facelift T Sport. I can safely say the 8.4 Seconds 0-60 time is a load of crap. I timed it several times and I got it in 7.0-7.3 seconds every time. The reason why Toyota lied about it were to increase sales of the Celica T Sport/190 at the time. If you said both cars did 0-60 in the same time, most people would pick a practical hatchback than a coupe. Example is the Mk5 Golf and the Scirocco.
The facelift cars look so much better. Have a better interior and have a few other bits and bobs. I loved the car and it is a sleeper car for sure. Had a few traffic light races and left a lot for dead or they couldn't believe that a Corolla were still next to them. A friend and an EP3 Type R 2004 and the only time that pulled away in a straight light were about 80 mph. Otherwise it were level. As for the torque on a rolling start they EP3 got left behind from the initial acceleration but then would slowly come back.
People go on about how there is no power and no torque but that's what happens when all the power and talk is about 6000rpm. It's not going to drive like a turbo car.
Don't get me wrong the Corolla T sport will not out handle a Clio 172/182 or an EP3 by any means. With the correct suspension mods it will get better and handle just as good but obviously that is compared to a Standard EP3 and Clio.
The issue now though is the pre-facelift cars are going for such a high price and they don't really value it. They look terrible and are high mileage. It's a shame that you don't see many Facelift versions for sale and those that you do are again going for a high price. I sold mine ages ago for £1800, wish I kept it now.
As for the 2zz engine in the MR2 Mk3 Toyota didn't do it so they didn't step on Lotus' toes. Was a gentleman's agreement and to be honest the MR2 MK3 is a lot of fun for a cheap price with the 1zz. Full throttle everywhere and you're still within the speed limits.
The facelift cars look so much better. Have a better interior and have a few other bits and bobs. I loved the car and it is a sleeper car for sure. Had a few traffic light races and left a lot for dead or they couldn't believe that a Corolla were still next to them. A friend and an EP3 Type R 2004 and the only time that pulled away in a straight light were about 80 mph. Otherwise it were level. As for the torque on a rolling start they EP3 got left behind from the initial acceleration but then would slowly come back.
People go on about how there is no power and no torque but that's what happens when all the power and talk is about 6000rpm. It's not going to drive like a turbo car.
Don't get me wrong the Corolla T sport will not out handle a Clio 172/182 or an EP3 by any means. With the correct suspension mods it will get better and handle just as good but obviously that is compared to a Standard EP3 and Clio.
The issue now though is the pre-facelift cars are going for such a high price and they don't really value it. They look terrible and are high mileage. It's a shame that you don't see many Facelift versions for sale and those that you do are again going for a high price. I sold mine ages ago for £1800, wish I kept it now.
As for the 2zz engine in the MR2 Mk3 Toyota didn't do it so they didn't step on Lotus' toes. Was a gentleman's agreement and to be honest the MR2 MK3 is a lot of fun for a cheap price with the 1zz. Full throttle everywhere and you're still within the speed limits.
RoperWilliams said:
That’s not how it works. Gearing is a torque multiplier. Although the peak flywheel torque is 133lbs , it has a lot more mean torque, at the wheels than say a diesel with 130bhp and 233lbs of torque.
We had one of these briefly and a Golf mk4 130 tdi. The Corolla would literally destroy the Golf at any speed in any gear. It pulled hard from 35mph in fourth .
Low geared and plot the torque on a graph accelerating through the gears and the mean torque is greater than the golf.
Lower gears and a power band of 2000rpm to 8200rpm is the other reason.
The 0-60 that one comic achieved with two adults plus luggage and test gear was still sub 7 to 60. They do, even the better specced facelift models, handle like a boat so those 4 adults would probably vomit before they moaned about it’s torque.
I think the example you make has more to do with the comedic torque dollop provided by the derv rather than anything else. Useable torque is the thing that makes the difference. The Toyota may be torque light but if it’s accessible through a larger part of the Rev range happy days. It’s just having to spin the engine that hard can make it tiresome especially having an increased load to pull. The derv if you could maintain it in the torque dollop would feel less stressed. Although it’s worth noting it would still be spinning at just about half its max rpm while doing it where as the Toyota (according to the article) is at 2/3 of its rev range to meet peak torque but would meet most of it lower in the Rev range while providing a bit more power. Horses for courses. We had one of these briefly and a Golf mk4 130 tdi. The Corolla would literally destroy the Golf at any speed in any gear. It pulled hard from 35mph in fourth .
Low geared and plot the torque on a graph accelerating through the gears and the mean torque is greater than the golf.
Lower gears and a power band of 2000rpm to 8200rpm is the other reason.
The 0-60 that one comic achieved with two adults plus luggage and test gear was still sub 7 to 60. They do, even the better specced facelift models, handle like a boat so those 4 adults would probably vomit before they moaned about it’s torque.
Edited by RoperWilliams on Friday 27th August 08:41
Ankh87 said:
I had a 2005 Facelift T Sport. I can safely say the 8.4 Seconds 0-60 time is a load of crap. I timed it several times and I got it in 7.0-7.3 seconds every time. The reason why Toyota lied about it were to increase sales of the Celica T Sport/190 at the time. If you said both cars did 0-60 in the same time, most people would pick a practical hatchback than a coupe. Example is the Mk5 Golf and the Scirocco.
The facelift cars look so much better. Have a better interior and have a few other bits and bobs. I loved the car and it is a sleeper car for sure. Had a few traffic light races and left a lot for dead or they couldn't believe that a Corolla were still next to them. A friend and an EP3 Type R 2004 and the only time that pulled away in a straight light were about 80 mph. Otherwise it were level. As for the torque on a rolling start they EP3 got left behind from the initial acceleration but then would slowly come back.
People go on about how there is no power and no torque but that's what happens when all the power and talk is about 6000rpm. It's not going to drive like a turbo car.
Don't get me wrong the Corolla T sport will not out handle a Clio 172/182 or an EP3 by any means. With the correct suspension mods it will get better and handle just as good but obviously that is compared to a Standard EP3 and Clio.
The issue now though is the pre-facelift cars are going for such a high price and they don't really value it. They look terrible and are high mileage. It's a shame that you don't see many Facelift versions for sale and those that you do are again going for a high price. I sold mine ages ago for £1800, wish I kept it now.
As for the 2zz engine in the MR2 Mk3 Toyota didn't do it so they didn't step on Lotus' toes. Was a gentleman's agreement and to be honest the MR2 MK3 is a lot of fun for a cheap price with the 1zz. Full throttle everywhere and you're still within the speed limits.
That sounds about rightThe facelift cars look so much better. Have a better interior and have a few other bits and bobs. I loved the car and it is a sleeper car for sure. Had a few traffic light races and left a lot for dead or they couldn't believe that a Corolla were still next to them. A friend and an EP3 Type R 2004 and the only time that pulled away in a straight light were about 80 mph. Otherwise it were level. As for the torque on a rolling start they EP3 got left behind from the initial acceleration but then would slowly come back.
People go on about how there is no power and no torque but that's what happens when all the power and talk is about 6000rpm. It's not going to drive like a turbo car.
Don't get me wrong the Corolla T sport will not out handle a Clio 172/182 or an EP3 by any means. With the correct suspension mods it will get better and handle just as good but obviously that is compared to a Standard EP3 and Clio.
The issue now though is the pre-facelift cars are going for such a high price and they don't really value it. They look terrible and are high mileage. It's a shame that you don't see many Facelift versions for sale and those that you do are again going for a high price. I sold mine ages ago for £1800, wish I kept it now.
As for the 2zz engine in the MR2 Mk3 Toyota didn't do it so they didn't step on Lotus' toes. Was a gentleman's agreement and to be honest the MR2 MK3 is a lot of fun for a cheap price with the 1zz. Full throttle everywhere and you're still within the speed limits.
Autocar achieved 7.3 seconds - broadly similar to what they achieved in the Celica with the same lump ( 7.2 )
They ran one as a long termer early on this century
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