"Live and as it happens" Results Thread GE2017
Discussion
youngsyr said:
To serve as an MP in Westminster you are required to first swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen. How highly would you rate the chances of any Sinn Fein member doing that?!
How did Corbyn get in as an MP? He must have lied through his teeth. He can't even sing the national anthem without looking like a vampire exposed to the sun.I think May probably needs to be jettisoned as quickly as possible. I've always thought that the chances of agreeing anything economically useful with the EU in less than two years were almost nonexistent based on their past performance. So, keeping a dead duck PM to 'see the negotiations through' is probably completely irrelevant anyway.
Even if a unanimous agreement by the 27 other states to extend the Article 50 period could be reached, if would only act as a notification that the panic button was about to be hit after an indefinite period of more uncertainty, just not pressed there and then.
The reason I think May needs to go now is that we need a new PM to establish themselves, get their message, policies and style out there with the electorate and, when ready, go for another election. We desperately need a majority, preferably blue, government to respond positively to the most likely prospect of no EU deal. That's the real mess that May's created here and, yeah, it's a biiiig mess.
Even if a unanimous agreement by the 27 other states to extend the Article 50 period could be reached, if would only act as a notification that the panic button was about to be hit after an indefinite period of more uncertainty, just not pressed there and then.
The reason I think May needs to go now is that we need a new PM to establish themselves, get their message, policies and style out there with the electorate and, when ready, go for another election. We desperately need a majority, preferably blue, government to respond positively to the most likely prospect of no EU deal. That's the real mess that May's created here and, yeah, it's a biiiig mess.
johnxjsc1985 said:
No reason not to other than the Politicians are not of good enough character to put the Country first.
Going to Europe with a cross party team would give the EU a very strong message .
Indeed, a united crossparty defence going to the EU would help deflect any finagling on their part.Going to Europe with a cross party team would give the EU a very strong message .
Flip Martian said:
Those voting for Corbyn are mostly a protest vote. Can't see it happening again. But nor can I see the conservatives suddenly getting popular either, without big changes.
If it actually is a 'protest' vote (and I don't adhere to broad generalisations normally) and the next election happens in a sufficiently quick enough time period, then I can see it increasing. Of all the anecdotal evidence form here of young people voting, most of it was in the negative. But now people have seen how much swing JC got, I can see that increasing momentum...if it happens quickly enough, and May continues to make mistakes in ignoring her shortcomings.Cobnapint said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
How did Diane Abbott get such a huge vote share? 42k votes! Way way more than the others. That literally boggles my mind. She's a massive hypocrite, zero competence and thick as mince....and yet increased her share of the votes. Logic.
In the same way that Keith Vaz got the thumbs up from 35,116 voters in the mainly immigrant constituency of Leics East. The nearest challenger being Tory at 12,688.Competence and past history doesn't seem to matter if you're a Labour candidate.
Otispunkmeyer said:
How did Diane Abbott get such a huge vote share? 42k votes! Way way more than the others. That literally boggles my mind. She's a massive hypocrite, zero competence and thick as mince....and yet increased her share of the votes. Logic.
She plays to the victim mentality better than any other. And to be frank, she's also not averse to playing the race card, whether warranted or not. If one assumes the initial objective of an MP is to get elected, she's incredibly competent...
Halb said:
Flip Martian said:
Those voting for Corbyn are mostly a protest vote. Can't see it happening again. But nor can I see the conservatives suddenly getting popular either, without big changes.
If it actually is a 'protest' vote (and I don't adhere to broad generalisations normally) and the next election happens in a sufficiently quick enough time period, then I can see it increasing. Of all the anecdotal evidence form here of young people voting, most of it was in the negative. But now people have seen how much swing JC got, I can see that increasing momentum...if it happens quickly enough, and May continues to make mistakes in ignoring her shortcomings.Tryke3 said:
Her shortcomings being that she is a robot and unable to comunicate to adults ?
And yet the Tory share of the vote increased and they won 50+ seats more than Labour. What does that say about the shortcomings of Labour, despite them trying to bribe sections of the electorate?Regarding all the talk of a 'softened' Brexit stance due to the GE result, how credible is this analysis given that roughly 82% of the electorate voted for 'hard Brexit' parties? ( UKIP, CON and Labour who said no ECJ and no free movement of people)
As far as I can see and assuming the Conservatives form a government ( no matter how weak), then it's business as usual, surely? David Davies still leading negotiations on our behalf in an increasingly tight timeframe, which in my opinion will almost certainly lead to no deal reached by the end of the two year window.
I understand that the 'soft brexit' Tory MPs will be able to bark a little louder due to a vulnerable government but the same is true of the eurosceptic element within the party?
As far as I can see and assuming the Conservatives form a government ( no matter how weak), then it's business as usual, surely? David Davies still leading negotiations on our behalf in an increasingly tight timeframe, which in my opinion will almost certainly lead to no deal reached by the end of the two year window.
I understand that the 'soft brexit' Tory MPs will be able to bark a little louder due to a vulnerable government but the same is true of the eurosceptic element within the party?
sidicks said:
And yet the Tory share of the vote increased and they won 50+ seats more than Labour. What does that say about the shortcomings of Labour, despite them trying to bribe sections of the electorate?
Shortcomings of labour are to do with their cabinet and not with JC himself imo. Miliband would've walked this Do two wrongs make a right to you ?
teeCup said:
Regarding all the talk of a 'softened' Brexit stance due to the GE result, how credible is this analysis given that roughly 82% of the electorate voted for 'hard Brexit' parties ( UKIP, CON and Labour who said no ECJ and no free movement of people)?
As far as I can see and assuming the Conservatives form a government ( no matter how weak), then it's business as usual, surely? David Davies still leading negotiations on our behalf in an inteasingly tight timeframe, which in my opinion will almost certainly lead to no deal reached by the end of the two year window.
I understand that the 'soft brexit' Tory MPs will be able to bark a little louder due to a vulnerable government but the same is true of the eurosceptic element within the party?
There never has been a 'hard' Brexit target, just a negotiating position, so no reason that much will (or should) change.As far as I can see and assuming the Conservatives form a government ( no matter how weak), then it's business as usual, surely? David Davies still leading negotiations on our behalf in an inteasingly tight timeframe, which in my opinion will almost certainly lead to no deal reached by the end of the two year window.
I understand that the 'soft brexit' Tory MPs will be able to bark a little louder due to a vulnerable government but the same is true of the eurosceptic element within the party?
RedTrident said:
Corbyn's interview this morning. Masterful. Meanwhile May is releasing and back tracking on press releases.
I know who is looking like a leader.
Come off it. He argued that a Conservative led coalition would be unstable so a Labour coalition was preferable. When asked how, with Labour having fewer seats, a Labour coalition would be any more stable, or even possible. His response was 'I'm an optimist'I know who is looking like a leader.
Ignoring arithmetic in favour of 'optimism' might go down well on the stump, but it's ridiculous for anyone in charge of anything.
sidicks said:
There never has been a 'hard' Brexit target, just a negotiating position, so no reason that much will (or should) change.
Would you expect any change in our negotiating position then? I struggle to see what the analysts from all sides of the spectrum believe has changed? I've read lots supporting this viewpoint but none really explain why?
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