SpaceX (Vol. 2)
Discussion
i4got said:
Are there really only 280 odd people watching the live youtube channel?
20k watching this feed…https://www.youtube.com/live/_ihegyuQwQg?si=IV7vRv...
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Pretty bloody impressive isn't it.
Presume all four get to go outside as I don't think I could sit there and not want to stick my head outside
And no just two of them
First out was the billionaire who’s funding it. He gets to see the Earth in daylight. Then the SpaceX engineer to repeat the suit checks. Presume all four get to go outside as I don't think I could sit there and not want to stick my head outside
And no just two of them
The others just get to watch.
I like the fact that the engineer was manually pushing the bulge hatch seal.
Eric Mc said:
skwdenyer said:
Beati Dogu said:
Can we just pause for a moment to admire the influence Stanley Kubrick and his production designers on 2001: A Space Odyssey (Tony Masters, Harry Lange and Ernest Archer) have had on the things we're now seeing?
Kubrick's suits were orange so they would stand out against the white background on-camera.
SpudLink said:
First out was the billionaire who’s funding it. He gets to see the Earth in daylight. Then the SpaceX engineer to repeat the suit checks.
The others just get to watch.
I like the fact that the engineer was manually pushing the bulge hatch seal.
Just at a purely technical level if you thought "oh fThe others just get to watch.
I like the fact that the engineer was manually pushing the bulge hatch seal.
k it I'm not going to do this again" is there anything stopping the other two just having a little peek out?Eric Mc said:
They missed a trick by doing it over the remoter parts of the earth (with reduced radio coverage) and the night side of the earth (with less spectacular images).
Maybe they wanted the dark side of thw earth to keep the suits out of direct sunlight?
The initial suit checks were in the sunlight. Perhaps they wanted to test in sunlight and in the Earth’s shade?Maybe they wanted the dark side of thw earth to keep the suits out of direct sunlight?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:SpudLink said:
First out was the billionaire who’s funding it. He gets to see the Earth in daylight. Then the SpaceX engineer to repeat the suit checks.
The others just get to watch.
I like the fact that the engineer was manually pushing the bulge hatch seal.
Just at a purely technical level if you thought "oh fThe others just get to watch.
I like the fact that the engineer was manually pushing the bulge hatch seal.
k it I'm not going to do this again" is there anything stopping the other two just having a little peek out?But if I was there, yeah, I’d wanna pop my head out the hatch.
Yeah I posted that.
The Padlock on the Space Shuttle Hatch
Looks like the other two are professional astronauts - I can't even imagine how tempting it must be given there's no airlock and it's literally 3M away.
The Padlock on the Space Shuttle Hatch
Looks like the other two are professional astronauts - I can't even imagine how tempting it must be given there's no airlock and it's literally 3M away.
skwdenyer said:
I realise the suits are white (if that's what you were pointing out). That wasn't really my point. The clean, all-white cabin design, the emphasis on design as well as functionality, are things Kubrick used and which were entirely alien at the time (and for decades afterwards).
Kubrick's suits were orange so they would stand out against the white background on-camera.
I wasn't thinking about the colours of the suits - more the overall concept and design. In fact, Kubrick's suits were multi-coloured. The versions used by the personnel on the moon were silver and the versions used by the crew on the Discovery were actually colour coded in various hues - presumably so that you could distinguish who was who when suited up..Kubrick's suits were orange so they would stand out against the white background on-camera.
Moon version -
Line up of the crew suits on the Discovery -
Colour coding was a very good idea. During Apollos 11 and 12 NASA controllers found it impossible to distinguish who was who during the moonwalks from the TV images (even if Apollo 12's moonwalk TV coverage was cut short by Al Bean breaking the TV camera). From Apollo 14 on, the commander's suit had red bands around the upper arm and leg so they could distinguish between the two moon walkers. Kubrick had thought of this almost ten years earlier.
You are correct in regards to the "look" of SpaceX hardware, particularly the interior of the Dragon which does seem to have been nspired in some regards by "2001".
Presumably the colours would be pretty bad for temperature management though.
The main thing that amazes me about the SpaceX suites is how bulky they aren't.
Granted it has all the extra life support stuff in the backpack that I assume the SpaceX guys were being fed via the tether, but the current EMU suit looks a lot bulkier around the arms and legs in comparison
The main thing that amazes me about the SpaceX suites is how bulky they aren't.
Granted it has all the extra life support stuff in the backpack that I assume the SpaceX guys were being fed via the tether, but the current EMU suit looks a lot bulkier around the arms and legs in comparison
The EVA suits used on the ISS are either Shuttle era suits or Russian Orlan suites. Both are quite old designs the Orlan probably being a better suit.
The suits worn by Shuttle crew when riding in the Shuttle were not EVA suits. They were pressure suits based on the ones originally designed for use in the U2 and SR71. The EVA suits are quite a different animal.
What's interesting about the SpaceX suits is that they act as both internal pressure suits and also as external EVA suits. On this first EVA exercise it seems they relied only on umbilicals to provide oxygen. I don't know if they have a self contained backpack (similar to Apollo/Shuttle/ISS/Soyuz suits) in the pipeline.
I asked a question earlier as to when was the last time the Americans performed an EVA wthout a backpack. I would guess it was during Skylab in 1973/74.
The suits worn by Shuttle crew when riding in the Shuttle were not EVA suits. They were pressure suits based on the ones originally designed for use in the U2 and SR71. The EVA suits are quite a different animal.
What's interesting about the SpaceX suits is that they act as both internal pressure suits and also as external EVA suits. On this first EVA exercise it seems they relied only on umbilicals to provide oxygen. I don't know if they have a self contained backpack (similar to Apollo/Shuttle/ISS/Soyuz suits) in the pipeline.
I asked a question earlier as to when was the last time the Americans performed an EVA wthout a backpack. I would guess it was during Skylab in 1973/74.
Eric Mc said:
skwdenyer said:
I realise the suits are white (if that's what you were pointing out). That wasn't really my point. The clean, all-white cabin design, the emphasis on design as well as functionality, are things Kubrick used and which were entirely alien at the time (and for decades afterwards).
Kubrick's suits were orange so they would stand out against the white background on-camera.
I wasn't thinking about the colours of the suits - more the overall concept and design. In fact, Kubrick's suits were multi-coloured. The versions used by the personnel on the moon were silver and the versions used by the crew on the Discovery were actually colour coded in various hues - presumably so that you could distinguish who was who when suited up..Kubrick's suits were orange so they would stand out against the white background on-camera.
Moon version -
Line up of the crew suits on the Discovery -
Colour coding was a very good idea. During Apollos 11 and 12 NASA controllers found it impossible to distinguish who was who during the moonwalks from the TV images (even if Apollo 12's moonwalk TV coverage was cut short by Al Bean breaking the TV camera). From Apollo 14 on, the commander's suit had red bands around the upper arm and leg so they could distinguish between the two moon walkers. Kubrick had thought of this almost ten years earlier.
You are correct in regards to the "look" of SpaceX hardware, particularly the interior of the Dragon which does seem to have been nspired in some regards by "2001".
The all white "2001" interior does look great though. Spaceflight is staring to look like the scifi of my youth.
Glad they didn't go with that original interior concept. The 2001 look is much better.
Until the Dragon, the interior of spacecraft weren't really "designed" from an artistic point of view but purely from an engineering (and maybe ergonomic) point of view.
Take a peek inside the Apollo 12 Command Module on show in the Science Museum - or inside a Soyuz.
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