re-evaluating older films....
Discussion
timmymagic73 said:
I still absolutely love Ferris Bueller's day off - I don't think it's aged at all, other than the computer tech and games arcade obviously - there's some great moments in there like the art gallery visit and the sausage king of chicago scene, prefect pacing in my opinion.
I re-watched the Breakfast Club recently though and it was absolutely terrible - couldn't give too hoots about any of the characters or their issues. I grew up watching Pretty in Pink, etc, so really wanted to like it.
If we're talking about 80s films as well as much older ones, Indiania Jones will always be a classic, no rose tinted specs required. Amazing film. Could re-watch that every time it's shown.
Agreed. I re-watched the Breakfast Club recently though and it was absolutely terrible - couldn't give too hoots about any of the characters or their issues. I grew up watching Pretty in Pink, etc, so really wanted to like it.
If we're talking about 80s films as well as much older ones, Indiania Jones will always be a classic, no rose tinted specs required. Amazing film. Could re-watch that every time it's shown.
I have no need to re-watch 'Breakfast Club' because it was of its time - I have seen it enough over the years. That said, I could easily re-watch 'Pretty in Pink' and it will still remain timeless. Same with 'Weird Science' - fuels my inner teenager (as does Beastie Boys 'Fight for your Right').
I didn't like Ferris at the time, but it has got better everytime I have re-watched it.
The ones that the OP mentioned in the post that kicked the thread off were, are, and will always be .. nada.
Eric Mc said:
Or "The Swimmer" - extremely weird and dark.
A stoner in real life, Lancaster played the part of a delusional alcoholic in The Swimmer with a relish bordering on painful truth. The short story by Cheever isn't really explained very well by the movie...there's a sadness missing IMO.P5BNij said:
Another Burt Lancaster film which still stands up is 'The Train' from 1964.
And if you like westerns the professionals still stands up and is a great film. 1966 Lancaster stole it in a big way. Lee Marvin was allegedly extremely unhappy with how his role was diminished and how well received Lancaster was.
SimNugget said:
T2 is still great and the great breaking FX are just good enough, the remastered 4K version has a few tweaks which fixes the obvious stunt double grabbing the kid off the bike in the storm drains.
Aliens has aged badly due to the grainy film used, but I watched Alien on Blueray a few years back for the very first time - a brilliant film.
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Aliens looks good on Blu Ray I thought?Aliens has aged badly due to the grainy film used, but I watched Alien on Blueray a few years back for the very first time - a brilliant film.
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I think of the "older" action movies the Cameron ones still hold up because the pacing is spot on. Someone likened Aliens to a rollercoaster ride and the pacing of both T2 and Aliens cannot really be bettered. Some modern movies appear either frenetic by comparison or the time spent on character development feels empty.
JagLover said:
Aliens looks good on Blu Ray I thought?
I think of the "older" action movies the Cameron ones still hold up because the pacing is spot on. Someone likened Aliens to a rollercoaster ride and the pacing of both T2 and Aliens cannot really be bettered. Some modern movies appear either frenetic by comparison or the time spent on character development feels empty.
I think it' scenes like the dropship crashing ( link) that are showing their age a bit.I think of the "older" action movies the Cameron ones still hold up because the pacing is spot on. Someone likened Aliens to a rollercoaster ride and the pacing of both T2 and Aliens cannot really be bettered. Some modern movies appear either frenetic by comparison or the time spent on character development feels empty.
FunkyNige said:
I think it' scenes like the dropship crashing ( link) that are showing their age a bit.
I remember thinking that looked a bit clunky at the time (in the cinema), also the shot of the ship escaping the exploding processing plant. As an action movie it's still outstanding for me, I can ignore a few dated effects.Pesty said:
And if you like westerns the professionals still stands up and is a great film. 1966
Lancaster stole it in a big way. Lee Marvin was allegedly extremely unhappy with how his role was diminished and how well received Lancaster was.
The Professionals.... MMMMMmmmmmm, Claudia Cardinale Lancaster stole it in a big way. Lee Marvin was allegedly extremely unhappy with how his role was diminished and how well received Lancaster was.
Also the fourth star of the second-best Western ever, Once Upon a Time In the West . Jack Palance in The Professionals too, hamming it up as usual and apparently having a jolly fun old time 
Just not there, lol
Edited by Nik da Greek on Monday 29th July 15:54
JagLover said:
FunkyNige said:
I think it' scenes like the dropship crashing ( link) that are showing their age a bit.
oh yes, some ropey effects shots clearly, but he was saying the whole movie was grainy. 
The Professionals is one of the best westerns, up there with The WIld Bunch
Taylor James said:
Film is very like fashion. Some fashionable trends of the time date very badly whereas most classics dont. There are also rose tinted specs.
Hence so called greats like The Breakfast Club are revered by middle aged men but laughable to teenagers but all ages will appreciate a western or classic noir. Shawshank won't date. LA Confidential won't date, nor will Raging Bull, Grease, The Godfather, Cabaret or Saving Private Ryan.
Time may be kinder to 70s and 80s films once people who remember mullets and flares have died off.
Films already set in the past tend to age really well, unless the style of the contemporary period bleeds too heavily into them. THere are westerns and there are westerns. A lot of westerns (vast majority) are horribly dated, or just plain bad, but the best of their ilk (thanks to the director/style) will never age. It's the best ones that tend to get remembered.Hence so called greats like The Breakfast Club are revered by middle aged men but laughable to teenagers but all ages will appreciate a western or classic noir. Shawshank won't date. LA Confidential won't date, nor will Raging Bull, Grease, The Godfather, Cabaret or Saving Private Ryan.
Time may be kinder to 70s and 80s films once people who remember mullets and flares have died off.
Halb said:
The Professionals is one of the best westerns, up there with The WIld Bunch
Westerns are an interesting topic in their own right. After high water marks with films like High Noon, The Searchers, the Leone films, The Wild Bunch and Butch Cassidy, things declined and the genre was on its knees before Unforgiven. It's possible it will never come back now bar the occasional good re-make (3.10 to Yuma) and good TV series. The same is true of swords and sandals. Big genre that went into terminal decline before Gladiator. Nothing really since. Just tosh. Taylor James said:
Film is very like fashion. Some fashionable trends of the time date very badly whereas most classics dont. There are also rose tinted specs.
Hence so called greats like The Breakfast Club are revered by middle aged men but laughable to teenagers but all ages will appreciate a western or classic noir. Shawshank won't date. LA Confidential won't date, nor will Raging Bull, Grease, The Godfather, Cabaret or Saving Private Ryan.
Time may be kinder to 70s and 80s films once people who remember mullets and flares have died off.
Films already set in the past tend to age really well, unless the style of the contemporary period bleeds too heavily into them. THere are westerns and there are westerns. A lot of westerns (vast majority) are horribly dated, or just plain bad, but the best of their ilk (thanks to the director/style) will never age. It's the best ones that tend to get remembered.Hence so called greats like The Breakfast Club are revered by middle aged men but laughable to teenagers but all ages will appreciate a western or classic noir. Shawshank won't date. LA Confidential won't date, nor will Raging Bull, Grease, The Godfather, Cabaret or Saving Private Ryan.
Time may be kinder to 70s and 80s films once people who remember mullets and flares have died off.
Taylor James said:
Westerns are an interesting topic in their own right. After high water marks with films like High Noon, The Searchers, the Leone films, The Wild Bunch and Butch Cassidy, things declined and the genre was on its knees before Unforgiven. It's possible it will never come back now bar the occasional good re-make (3.10 to Yuma) and good TV series. The same is true of swords and sandals. Big genre that went into terminal decline before Gladiator. Nothing really since. Just tosh.
I think the 80s were the high point of swords and sandals, as a kid, that was heaven.I love Westerns, not he 100s that get shown on the crapp movie channels.
Films like High Noon, and John Ford stuff, it's just magical.
t. sTaylor James said:
Halb said:
The Professionals is one of the best westerns, up there with The WIld Bunch
Westerns are an interesting topic in their own right. After high water marks with films like High Noon, The Searchers, the Leone films, The Wild Bunch and Butch Cassidy, things declined and the genre was on its knees before Unforgiven. It's possible it will never come back now bar the occasional good re-make (3.10 to Yuma) and good TV series. The same is true of swords and sandals. Big genre that went into terminal decline before Gladiator. Nothing really since. Just tosh. Taylor James said:
Film is very like fashion. Some fashionable trends of the time date very badly whereas most classics dont. There are also rose tinted specs.
Hence so called greats like The Breakfast Club are revered by middle aged men but laughable to teenagers but all ages will appreciate a western or classic noir. Shawshank won't date. LA Confidential won't date, nor will Raging Bull, Grease, The Godfather, Cabaret or Saving Private Ryan.
Time may be kinder to 70s and 80s films once people who remember mullets and flares have died off.
Films already set in the past tend to age really well, unless the style of the contemporary period bleeds too heavily into them. THere are westerns and there are westerns. A lot of westerns (vast majority) are horribly dated, or just plain bad, but the best of their ilk (thanks to the director/style) will never age. It's the best ones that tend to get remembered.Hence so called greats like The Breakfast Club are revered by middle aged men but laughable to teenagers but all ages will appreciate a western or classic noir. Shawshank won't date. LA Confidential won't date, nor will Raging Bull, Grease, The Godfather, Cabaret or Saving Private Ryan.
Time may be kinder to 70s and 80s films once people who remember mullets and flares have died off.
And yes they had fun filming the professionals, filmed near Vegas in the desert iirc so every night was party night
Also god damn that woman was fine
As for the 70s Star Wars ruined everything. Lots of gritty thrillers
Even blockbusters like Jaws were great. Not all lasers and explosions. Real stories not rehashed kids fairy takes
Then Star Wars came along and all that went away, left us with the 80s which had gems too but fewer star wars changed the landscape
Edited by Pesty on Monday 29th July 18:43
Pesty said:
As for the 70s Star Wars ruined everything. Lots of gritty thrillers
Even blockbusters like Jaws were great. Not all lasers and explosions. Real stories not rehashed kids fairy takes
Then Star Wars came along and all that went away, left us with the 80s which had gems too but fewer star wars changed the landscape
Gritty stuff still lasted well into the 90s. Star Wars helped sci-fi explode, Jaws was the first summer blockbuster which created the landscape we have today, which has solidified over time.Even blockbusters like Jaws were great. Not all lasers and explosions. Real stories not rehashed kids fairy takes
Then Star Wars came along and all that went away, left us with the 80s which had gems too but fewer star wars changed the landscape
Edited by Pesty on Monday 29th July 18:43
There're only so many stories, and most come from 'fairy tales'.
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