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5pen said:
How do you know that this completely inexperienced civilian with a gun is going to protect you?
...would rather leave your safety to an understaffed and overstretched police force.
As opposed to a bunch of, as you put it, "completely inexperienced civilians" with guns? Yes I would prefer that thank you.
As they say "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away"...would rather leave your safety to an understaffed and overstretched police force.
As opposed to a bunch of, as you put it, "completely inexperienced civilians" with guns? Yes I would prefer that thank you.
Its not relavant to the thread about prepping anyway.
Timmy40 said:
Preppers never seem to have changes of pants, deodorant or washing powder on their lists. I deduce they are an unhygenic lot of single male virgins with too much interest in B-movies and computers.
That's why I always find these discussions amusing, people getting a vast array of priorities wrong, im going to shift away from prepping, survival is pretty straight forward, all the s
t you use in your house everyday, that's what you need to survive. That's your bug out list, if your bugging in (god I hate myself for using these terms) then your gonna need less stuff because the stuff you already have is the stuff you need, prepping (gah) is as simple as keeping a well stocked larder, maybe with a backup means of cooking/heating and of course plenty of bottled water or a filter.but I've said previously, its about mentality, knowledge, and fitness. Stuff is irrelevant, people always get gear focused, spend loads of money when their is simply no need.
Foliage said:
That's why I always find these discussions amusing, people getting a vast array of priorities wrong, im going to shift away from prepping, survival is pretty straight forward, all the st you use in your house everyday, that's what you need to survive. That's your bug out list, if your bugging in (god I hate myself for using these terms) then your gonna need less stuff because the stuff you already have is the stuff you need, prepping (gah) is as simple as keeping a well stocked larder, maybe with a backup means of cooking/heating and of course plenty of bottled water or a filter.
but I've said previously, its about mentality, knowledge, and fitness. Stuff is irrelevant, people always get gear focused, spend loads of money when their is simply no need.
Reminds me of an encounter a few years ago... t you use in your house everyday, that's what you need to survive. That's your bug out list, if your bugging in (god I hate myself for using these terms) then your gonna need less stuff because the stuff you already have is the stuff you need, prepping (gah) is as simple as keeping a well stocked larder, maybe with a backup means of cooking/heating and of course plenty of bottled water or a filter.but I've said previously, its about mentality, knowledge, and fitness. Stuff is irrelevant, people always get gear focused, spend loads of money when their is simply no need.
A Saffa mate of mine was getting married, invited to the stag do in leafy Surrey. A day of paintball, go karts and far too much beer and braai.
Base Camp is at a friend's house, another Saffa.
In the hallway of this plush pad is a big black military looking duffel bag.
Turns out this chap had been working as an IT consultant in Zimbabwe when the SHTF, and he only just managed to get out and back to SA. Moves to the UK shortly after. Decided that he'd never be unprepared again, so bought a £3k bag of stuff. We're talking everything from fishing kit and snares, to whistles, iodine tablets, burns kit, meal replacement sachets, even a bloody gas mask!
Have to say, it was a bloody well put together package.
One of the things I noticed was a IV peer to peer transfusion kit.
"Ever done anything like that?" I asked. Chap walk over to the bookcase, pulls out a chunky volume "nope, but I've got a manual, this is my survival bible".
This guy was a 5'6", 18 stone tub of lard, whose life revolved around IT projects and putting more tech in his house.
So whilst the £3k may have bought him peace of mind, if the s
t ever did hit the fan, I'd give him a week. Probably killing himself whist trying to fix a minor cut... Timmy40 said:
^^^ Meanwhile I'm happily sitting in a field with my sheep, who are able to convert grass into meat and milk for me. Plus wool for clothing. And they're nice company so I won't have gone mad.
Fine until the millions of starving people in the cities start an exodus out to your nice part of the world, looking for somewhere safe to hole up and something to eat.As mentioned before most short term disruptions can easily be handled with what you've already got at home, anything bigger or longer term and no amount of prepping is going to prepare you for the s
t storm that will be coming your way, preppers who think otherwise are deluding themselves.Guvernator said:
Fine until the millions of starving people in the cities start an exodus out to your nice part of the world, looking for somewhere safe to hole up and something to eat.
As mentioned before most short term disruptions can easily be handled with what you've already got at home, anything bigger or longer term and no amount of prepping is going to prepare you for the st storm that will be coming your way, preppers who think otherwise are deluding themselves.
Except 5ohmustang. He's, like, doubly hard. His whole life has been preparation for a bug out and the subsequent defence - sorry, defense - of his homestead against the marauding militia.As mentioned before most short term disruptions can easily be handled with what you've already got at home, anything bigger or longer term and no amount of prepping is going to prepare you for the s
t storm that will be coming your way, preppers who think otherwise are deluding themselves.iphonedyou said:
Guvernator said:
Fine until the millions of starving people in the cities start an exodus out to your nice part of the world, looking for somewhere safe to hole up and something to eat.
As mentioned before most short term disruptions can easily be handled with what you've already got at home, anything bigger or longer term and no amount of prepping is going to prepare you for the st storm that will be coming your way, preppers who think otherwise are deluding themselves.
Except 5ohmustang. He's, like, doubly hard. His whole life has been preparation for a bug out and the subsequent defence - sorry, defense - of his homestead against the marauding militia.As mentioned before most short term disruptions can easily be handled with what you've already got at home, anything bigger or longer term and no amount of prepping is going to prepare you for the s
t storm that will be coming your way, preppers who think otherwise are deluding themselves.I reckon I could hold out a while. And I don't live anywhere near a city, let alone a large town. Infact the nearest place of any size is 7 miles away and has a population of about 1500.
IMO the urban folk are more likely so ocngregate where they see food as being available in a form they recognise, warehouses, government buildings, Pret a Manger etc.
Mmm, if the end of days comes, I think I'd rather take my chances teaming up with 5ohmustang than somebody whose idea is prepping is some marks and spencer frozen dinners and a Swiss Army knife.
Given how much is controlled by computer now, you could have a coordinated e-attack of power and water and everyone laughing at gun toting Yank preppers will be in serious st within 24 hours. Even if you have a few days water, your neighbours won't.
Given how much is controlled by computer now, you could have a coordinated e-attack of power and water and everyone laughing at gun toting Yank preppers will be in serious s
t within 24 hours. Even if you have a few days water, your neighbours won't. creampuff said:
Mmm, if the end of days comes, I think I'd rather take my chances teaming up with 5ohmustang than somebody whose idea is prepping is some marks and spencer frozen dinners and a Swiss Army knife.
Given how much is controlled by computer now, you could have a coordinated attack of power and water and everyone laughing at gun toting Yank preppers will be in serious st within 24 hours. Even if you have a few days water, your neighbours won't.
Like I care, he's half a mile away and about 90, I'll just wait until he snuffs it then nick his tractor. Given how much is controlled by computer now, you could have a coordinated attack of power and water and everyone laughing at gun toting Yank preppers will be in serious s
t within 24 hours. Even if you have a few days water, your neighbours won't. creampuff said:
Mmm, if the end of days comes, I think I'd rather take my chances teaming up with 5ohmustang than somebody whose idea is prepping is some marks and spencer frozen dinners and a Swiss Army knife.
Given how much is controlled by computer now, you could have a coordinated e-attack of power and water and everyone laughing at gun toting Yank preppers will be in serious st within 24 hours. Even if you have a few days water, your neighbours won't.
The ones in the biggest sGiven how much is controlled by computer now, you could have a coordinated e-attack of power and water and everyone laughing at gun toting Yank preppers will be in serious s
t within 24 hours. Even if you have a few days water, your neighbours won't. t will be all the gun toting Yank preppers. Because they all have guns to even out those pesky essentials inequities.creampuff said:
Given how much is controlled by computer now, you could have a coordinated e-attack of power and water and everyone laughing at gun toting Yank preppers will be in serious st within 24 hours. Even if you have a few days water, your neighbours won't.
We live next to a fairly large river.t within 24 hours. Even if you have a few days water, your neighbours won't. And have an Aga (oil fired).
Although in fairness the kids will have turned even more feral without their ipads within 6-12 hours, most likely.
walm said:
Although in fairness the kids will have turned even more feral without their ipads within 6-12 hours, most likely.
Haha, buy a generator or some battery packs and make some iPad downloads part of your prepping plan.iphonedyou said:
The ones in the biggest st will be all the gun toting Yank preppers. Because they all have guns to even out those pesky essentials inequities.
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Most people are good. Some aren't. If there is an ongoing breakdown in law and order like what could happen if people in cities are short of water, the ones in the UK who aren't good will arm themselves with whatever they come across in short order, including guns stolen from police stations, army bases or similar. The US thugs will also be armed, but with everyone else armed too, it won't take long for them to be expired thugs. Are you just planning on asking nicely for British thugs to go away?t will be all the gun toting Yank preppers. Because they all have guns to even out those pesky essentials inequities.Edited by creampuff on Tuesday 14th June 15:07
creampuff said:
5pen said:
How do you know that this completely inexperienced civilian with a gun is going to protect you?
...would rather leave your safety to an understaffed and overstretched police force.
As opposed to a bunch of, as you put it, "completely inexperienced civilians" with guns? Yes I would prefer that thank you.
As they say "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away"...would rather leave your safety to an understaffed and overstretched police force.
As opposed to a bunch of, as you put it, "completely inexperienced civilians" with guns? Yes I would prefer that thank you.
Its not relavant to the thread about prepping anyway.
creampuff said:
Haha, buy a generator or some battery packs and make some iPad downloads part of your prepping plan.
But then I would be turning into a prepper. AKA total loon. 
(Note to self... add 24 hours' worth of Peppa Pig on a hard drive to the "other" things in my Faraday cage...)
creampuff said:
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Most people are good. Some aren't. If there is an ongoing breakdown in law and order like what could happen if people in cities are short of water, the ones in the UK who aren't good will arm themselves with whatever they come across in short order, including guns stolen from police stations, army bases or similar. The US thugs will also be armed, but with everyone else armed too, it won't take long for them to be expired thugs. Are you just planning on asking nicely for British thugs to go away?
US gun statistics are awful with law and order intact - I can't see them getting better post apocalypse, and I certainly can't see them gaining parity, per capita, with the UK.creampuff said:
I wouldn't get your hopes up. Most people are good. Some aren't. If there is an ongoing breakdown in law and order like what could happen if people in cities are short of water, the ones in the UK who aren't good will arm themselves with whatever they come across in short order, including guns stolen from police stations, army bases or similar. The US thugs will also be armed, but with everyone else armed too, it won't take long for them to be expired thugs. Are you just planning on asking nicely for British thugs to go away?
most will pen a stiff letter,Edited by creampuff on Tuesday 14th June 15:07
iphonedyou said:
US gun statistics are awful with law and order intact - I can't see them getting better post apocalypse, and I certainly can't see them gaining parity, per capita, with the UK.
I'm guessing you probably don't know anyone killed in a car crash? Apologies if a loved one has died in a car crash, but the point is fatal car crashes are quite unlikely to affect people in the developed world as they don't happen often. The risk of being killed (suicides excluded) in gun violence in the US is about that of being in a fatal car crash. Much less for most people, given that most US gun related deaths which aren't suicide are criminals shooting other criminals. Now, if there was large scale breakdown in law and order in the UK, such as if there was inadequate food and water for people in cities, would you say in that situation the number of people dying violent deaths would be more or less than the number currently being killed in car crashes? I'd guess it would be a lot, lot more. Along with other serious, but not fatal, crimes like rape.
So what are you and your family going to do when a couple of thugs armed with knives, bats or stolen guns break down your door?
creampuff said:
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I am genuinely confused. Sorry!Of course violent crime will rise post-apocalypse. I think we all agree on that.
But are you suggesting that we should aspire to US-level gun ownership (and all the rare but significant in number deaths that involves) just so we might have a better chance of defending ourselves in the apocalypse?
Because if so:
1. No. That's a completely mad suggestion.
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2. Even if we did all have weapons, you have just escalated the problem. Those who aim to go on the rampage during the apocalypse and just loot for stuff know that everyone has guns now so they "tool up" with something more than a knife. And you just end up in an inexorable arms race with each band of preppers aiming for more and more powerful weaponry!
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