Do Labour understand how democracy works?
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BigMon said:
Another comedy gold PH leftie thread.
If I was a dyed in the wool rightie I'd be more concerned about why the Conservatives wasted £100+ million on an election to leave both themselves and the county in a much worse state than it was before.
This was a prime opportunity to hand out such a thrashing to Labour that hopefully Corbyn would have been forced to step aside and, just maybe, we might have been on the way towards getting a decent opposition.
All this did is, in his eyes, show that Labour's 70's vision has been vindicated. God help us.
In summary, a massive, massive fook up by the Conservatives.
Oh I absolutely agree. Are there any colour of politicians that aren't fIf I was a dyed in the wool rightie I'd be more concerned about why the Conservatives wasted £100+ million on an election to leave both themselves and the county in a much worse state than it was before.
This was a prime opportunity to hand out such a thrashing to Labour that hopefully Corbyn would have been forced to step aside and, just maybe, we might have been on the way towards getting a decent opposition.
All this did is, in his eyes, show that Labour's 70's vision has been vindicated. God help us.
In summary, a massive, massive fook up by the Conservatives.
Edited by BigMon on Sunday 11th June 08:49
kwit incompetent?Labour came 2nd in a two horse race, not even a close 2nd, they lost and will not be retrospectively winning no matter how much shyte they spout.
Talk about sore losers, they LOST, time to accept defeat and move on, if they had won could you imagine the Conservatives acting the way Liebour are?, I very much doubt it.
Talk about sore losers, they LOST, time to accept defeat and move on, if they had won could you imagine the Conservatives acting the way Liebour are?, I very much doubt it.
vonuber said:
philv said:
Yes i know.
But tne arguments of labour are along tne lines of -
It was irresponsible to have an election now, so we'll insist one at an even worse time.
T May reduced police, so it's fine to vote for a friend of terrorism.
Tne logic used to excuse labour is nuts.
What's the logic to excuse forming a coalition government with the friends of terrorism which might potentially destabilise part of the country?But tne arguments of labour are along tne lines of -
It was irresponsible to have an election now, so we'll insist one at an even worse time.
T May reduced police, so it's fine to vote for a friend of terrorism.
Tne logic used to excuse labour is nuts.
Deflection from JC.
vonuber said:
Not at all. You can't accuse one party of potentially of doing one thing and then ignore the other party who is doing exactly that. Thats just blatant hypocrisy.
Wasn't Corbyn mates with Sinn Fein and the IRA when there were still actively engaged in terrorism and killing innocent people, whereas the DUP are now progressing their views through political means?Which makes the situation quite different?
vonuber said:
philv said:
There we go again.
Deflection from JC.
Not at all. You can't accuse one party of potentially of doing one thing and then ignore the other party who is doing exactly that. Thats just blatant hypocrisy.Deflection from JC.
She doesn't consider it a noble expression of a political view.
The choice is have an undesirables with influence, or an undesirable in power.
The far lesser of 2 evils.
Doesn't any of his beliefs concern labour supporters?
It is as if people are blinded.
Tney like the idea of massively taxing tne wealtny, but ignore what else may be coming with a marxist govt.
People are told what rney want to hear.
And that stops tnem from actually thinking about tne person tney are voting for and what he beleives in and what tne outcome will be.
There was a quote in tne paper from someone who met him at his allotment.
He was very nice to tneir kid.
How many so s/daughters died tnrough nail bombs?
I don't think anyone voted to get into bed with rhe dup.
Labour supporters did vote for JC.
I'd love to hear JC excused without referring to 'tney're just as bad' (after the event).
Edited by philv on Sunday 11th June 13:44
Edited by philv on Sunday 11th June 13:48
Edited by philv on Sunday 11th June 13:52
sidicks said:
vonuber said:
Not at all. You can't accuse one party of potentially of doing one thing and then ignore the other party who is doing exactly that. Thats just blatant hypocrisy.
Wasn't Corbyn mates with Sinn Fein and the IRA when there were still actively engaged in terrorism and killing innocent people, whereas the DUP are now progressing their views through political means?Which makes the situation quite different?
rscott said:
Are you suggesting that a politician who supported Sinn Fein back in the early 90s is someone our government should not engage with?
I'm highlighting the difference in the situations between Corbyn and May.And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
sidicks said:
rscott said:
Are you suggesting that a politician who supported Sinn Fein back in the early 90s is someone our government should not engage with?
I'm highlighting the difference in the situations between Corbyn and May.And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
andy43 said:
This is the problem. What the hell were they thinking with their "manifesto"? Foxes, dementia "tax", winter fuel payments and what else? Zilch.
They believed the advice that they were going to win a 100 seat majority and felt that they could say anything. Monumental arrogance and complacencysidicks said:
rscott said:
Are you suggesting that a politician who supported Sinn Fein back in the early 90s is someone our government should not engage with?
I'm highlighting the difference in the situations between Corbyn and May.And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
For me the only way back for the Conservatives is to adjust their manifesto.
The idiots that put this together along with the strategy of the campaign have long gone.
May needs to win back the old and young voters. Fox hunting and Dementia tax were just idiotic moves. She needs to give back something to the populace, such as re-evaluating the NHS, police, student loans and dementia tax [I know but it worked for Labour].
They will take stick over some uturns but may well improve the voting / future election chances.
Brexit is still there, never understood the hard / soft options. It is a negotiation, no-one will know what will come out of it, but you need to get the best for the country / people even if it means some difficult decisions or sucking up.
May needs to start demonstrating some strength, and over communicate. She is not the Queen, she is a servant of the people.
The idiots that put this together along with the strategy of the campaign have long gone.
May needs to win back the old and young voters. Fox hunting and Dementia tax were just idiotic moves. She needs to give back something to the populace, such as re-evaluating the NHS, police, student loans and dementia tax [I know but it worked for Labour].
They will take stick over some uturns but may well improve the voting / future election chances.
Brexit is still there, never understood the hard / soft options. It is a negotiation, no-one will know what will come out of it, but you need to get the best for the country / people even if it means some difficult decisions or sucking up.
May needs to start demonstrating some strength, and over communicate. She is not the Queen, she is a servant of the people.
rscott said:
sidicks said:
rscott said:
Are you suggesting that a politician who supported Sinn Fein back in the early 90s is someone our government should not engage with?
I'm highlighting the difference in the situations between Corbyn and May.And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
I
Again, defend JC, without saying 'they are just as bad'
sidicks said:
I'm highlighting the difference in the situations between Corbyn and May.
And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
But we are talking about now, not the past.And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
The DUP as has been pointed out in other threads still has active links to loyalist groups (to say nothing of their regressive other policies). May is jumping into bed with them (And endangering the NI peace process to boot) just to shore up her power.
So why is it ok for May to go into power with these terrorist supporters, but Corbyn would be a no-no?
As an aside i didn't vote for either party, it's pissing into the wind here where the Labour mp has a 20k majority.
vonuber said:
sidicks said:
I'm highlighting the difference in the situations between Corbyn and May.
And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
But we are talking about now, not the past.And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
The DUP as has been pointed out in other threads still has active links to loyalist groups (to say nothing of their regressive other policies). May is jumping into bed with them (And endangering the NI peace process to boot) just to shore up her power.
So why is it ok for May to go into power with these terrorist supporters, but Corbyn would be a no-no?
As an aside i didn't vote for either party, it's pissing into the wind here where the Labour mp has a 20k majority.
vonuber said:
sidicks said:
I'm highlighting the difference in the situations between Corbyn and May.
And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
But we are talking about now, not the past.And, as we've seen, Labour previous tried to align with the DUP in previous elections!
The DUP as has been pointed out in other threads still has active links to loyalist groups (to say nothing of their regressive other policies). May is jumping into bed with them (And endangering the NI peace process to boot) just to shore up her power.
So why is it ok for May to go into power with these terrorist supporters, but Corbyn would be a no-no?
As an aside i didn't vote for either party, it's pissing into the wind here where the Labour mp has a 20k majority.
carinatauk said:
For me the only way back for the Conservatives is to adjust their manifesto.
The idiots that put this together along with the strategy of the campaign have long gone.
Ben Gummer was the Manifesto author. He lost his Ipswich seat. NickanFi are toast. May will fall on her sword in due course. The idiots that put this together along with the strategy of the campaign have long gone.
You have to remember Labour was wiped out in the local elections 5 weeks before the GE. A radical and incredible manifesto stemmed the tide but ultimately ended in abject failure.
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