Patrick Stewart to return as Picard
Discussion
Guvernator said:
Another superb episode and yes I agree, very "Trek".
It's really getting into it's stride. I'm really perplexed at what the haters are expecting tbh. Season 1 of Picard is a far superior opening season than of all the other Trek series I've watched, most don't get into their stride until season 2. In fact TNG is pretty unwatchable for the first 2 seasons while Picard took about 4 episodes to get going for me.
My only slight worry is that they seem to be working towards Picard exiting the scene at some point. Lots of hints dropped, not least of which is the line to Seven and Elroy about it being their job to save the galaxy now. A show called Picard without Picard in it would be pretty crap IMO
Every Star Trek series, except this one, has been named after the ShipIt's really getting into it's stride. I'm really perplexed at what the haters are expecting tbh. Season 1 of Picard is a far superior opening season than of all the other Trek series I've watched, most don't get into their stride until season 2. In fact TNG is pretty unwatchable for the first 2 seasons while Picard took about 4 episodes to get going for me.
My only slight worry is that they seem to be working towards Picard exiting the scene at some point. Lots of hints dropped, not least of which is the line to Seven and Elroy about it being their job to save the galaxy now. A show called Picard without Picard in it would be pretty crap IMO
cologne2792 said:
Guvernator said:
Another superb episode and yes I agree, very "Trek".
It's really getting into it's stride. I'm really perplexed at what the haters are expecting tbh. Season 1 of Picard is a far superior opening season than of all the other Trek series I've watched, most don't get into their stride until season 2. In fact TNG is pretty unwatchable for the first 2 seasons while Picard took about 4 episodes to get going for me.
My only slight worry is that they seem to be working towards Picard exiting the scene at some point. Lots of hints dropped, not least of which is the line to Seven and Elroy about it being their job to save the galaxy now. A show called Picard without Picard in it would be pretty crap IMO
Every Star Trek series, except this one, has been named after the ShipIt's really getting into it's stride. I'm really perplexed at what the haters are expecting tbh. Season 1 of Picard is a far superior opening season than of all the other Trek series I've watched, most don't get into their stride until season 2. In fact TNG is pretty unwatchable for the first 2 seasons while Picard took about 4 episodes to get going for me.
My only slight worry is that they seem to be working towards Picard exiting the scene at some point. Lots of hints dropped, not least of which is the line to Seven and Elroy about it being their job to save the galaxy now. A show called Picard without Picard in it would be pretty crap IMO
and TNG
JamieBeeston said:
cologne2792 said:
Guvernator said:
Another superb episode and yes I agree, very "Trek".
It's really getting into it's stride. I'm really perplexed at what the haters are expecting tbh. Season 1 of Picard is a far superior opening season than of all the other Trek series I've watched, most don't get into their stride until season 2. In fact TNG is pretty unwatchable for the first 2 seasons while Picard took about 4 episodes to get going for me.
My only slight worry is that they seem to be working towards Picard exiting the scene at some point. Lots of hints dropped, not least of which is the line to Seven and Elroy about it being their job to save the galaxy now. A show called Picard without Picard in it would be pretty crap IMO
Every Star Trek series, except this one, has been named after the ShipIt's really getting into it's stride. I'm really perplexed at what the haters are expecting tbh. Season 1 of Picard is a far superior opening season than of all the other Trek series I've watched, most don't get into their stride until season 2. In fact TNG is pretty unwatchable for the first 2 seasons while Picard took about 4 episodes to get going for me.
My only slight worry is that they seem to be working towards Picard exiting the scene at some point. Lots of hints dropped, not least of which is the line to Seven and Elroy about it being their job to save the galaxy now. A show called Picard without Picard in it would be pretty crap IMO
and TNG
)Flip Martian said:
Well I don't watch vids about programmes I don't like. What is the point? At the moment I watch 2 programmes on TV. Picard is one. So yeah, I have plenty of other things I enjoy doing more than watching tv.
Whats up with this YOUTUBE "reviewers" trend of 'I don't like it, therefore nobody else should like it either, and all Sci-Fi TV/film series should pander only to my biases'? Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, Marvel all seem to suffer from this.BTW if you say that is because Picard/Jodie Foster Who are now SJW, please go back and watch some TOS or 80's Who for a proper lefty bias.
MBBlat said:
Flip Martian said:
Well I don't watch vids about programmes I don't like. What is the point? At the moment I watch 2 programmes on TV. Picard is one. So yeah, I have plenty of other things I enjoy doing more than watching tv.
Whats up with this YOUTUBE "reviewers" trend of 'I don't like it, therefore nobody else should like it either, and all Sci-Fi TV/film series should pander only to my biases'? Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, Marvel all seem to suffer from this.BTW if you say that is because Picard/Jodie Foster Who are now SJW, please go back and watch some TOS or 80's Who for a proper lefty bias.
Flip Martian said:
JamieBeeston said:
cologne2792 said:
Guvernator said:
Another superb episode and yes I agree, very "Trek".
It's really getting into it's stride. I'm really perplexed at what the haters are expecting tbh. Season 1 of Picard is a far superior opening season than of all the other Trek series I've watched, most don't get into their stride until season 2. In fact TNG is pretty unwatchable for the first 2 seasons while Picard took about 4 episodes to get going for me.
My only slight worry is that they seem to be working towards Picard exiting the scene at some point. Lots of hints dropped, not least of which is the line to Seven and Elroy about it being their job to save the galaxy now. A show called Picard without Picard in it would be pretty crap IMO
Every Star Trek series, except this one, has been named after the ShipIt's really getting into it's stride. I'm really perplexed at what the haters are expecting tbh. Season 1 of Picard is a far superior opening season than of all the other Trek series I've watched, most don't get into their stride until season 2. In fact TNG is pretty unwatchable for the first 2 seasons while Picard took about 4 episodes to get going for me.
My only slight worry is that they seem to be working towards Picard exiting the scene at some point. Lots of hints dropped, not least of which is the line to Seven and Elroy about it being their job to save the galaxy now. A show called Picard without Picard in it would be pretty crap IMO
and TNG
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I did realise afterward that my post was not very well thought out or explained - especially in the case of TOS and TNG...and I even left out TAS all together!
The first two are Enterprise centric and even DS9 is named after a thing and not a person.
There was a suggestion before Picard aired that Patrick Stewart may only do a single season and then be killed off, with the La Sirena being renamed Picard.
MBBlat said:
Whats up with this YOUTUBE "reviewers" trend of 'I don't like it, therefore nobody else should like it either, and all Sci-Fi TV/film series should pander only to my biases'? Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr Who, Marvel all seem to suffer from this.
BTW if you say that is because Picard/Jodie Foster Who are now SJW, please go back and watch some TOS or 80's Who for a proper lefty bias.
Picard is not really the cause of ire but merely a symptom of a bigger problem that's wrecking franchises and was responsible for Terminator: Dark Fete losing about $120m. BTW if you say that is because Picard/Jodie Foster Who are now SJW, please go back and watch some TOS or 80's Who for a proper lefty bias.
Some of the reviewers are excitably bored fanboys / fangirls and their opinions need to be taken with a pinch of salt - but many others are from within the industry itself and are aghast at the franchise destruction caused by agenda-driven identity politics in lieu of a decent comprehension of the source material.
The most concise explanation is explained with calm & logic here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JExLZf4e8To
Just finished catching up with Picard last night, I'm loving it so far, I was a big fan of Next Generation back in the day.
Amazon make impressive series imo, the quality is high, and they don't go for the typical series formula of having every episode crammed full of drama (sex/violence/politics).
Patrick Stewart is still a charismatic and compelling lead.
Amazon make impressive series imo, the quality is high, and they don't go for the typical series formula of having every episode crammed full of drama (sex/violence/politics).
Patrick Stewart is still a charismatic and compelling lead.
JamieBeeston said:
In full "actor luvvie" mode.I can remember his website, back in the day, only had 1 sentence on it - something to the effect of "there's nothing here, go and do something more interesting than staring at a screen".
He's relaxed a bit since then, clearly.
cologne2792 said:
Picard is not really the cause of ire but merely a symptom of a bigger problem that's wrecking franchises and was responsible for Terminator: Dark Fete losing about $120m.
Some of the reviewers are excitably bored fanboys / fangirls and their opinions need to be taken with a pinch of salt - but many others are from within the industry itself and are aghast at the franchise destruction caused by agenda-driven identity politics in lieu of a decent comprehension of the source material.
The most concise explanation is explained with calm & logic here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JExLZf4e8To
And I think you've just proved my point with that video - his restaurant comparison is especially silly. Notice he didn't include Captain Marvell in that list of agenda driven franchises, maybe because despite all the predictions of the anti-SJW crowd it seems people did want a (good) female led superhero movie. As for Terminator Dark Fate that whole franchise has been on a downward spiral since 2, so nothing new there.Some of the reviewers are excitably bored fanboys / fangirls and their opinions need to be taken with a pinch of salt - but many others are from within the industry itself and are aghast at the franchise destruction caused by agenda-driven identity politics in lieu of a decent comprehension of the source material.
The most concise explanation is explained with calm & logic here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JExLZf4e8To
Back to topic - Picard seems well received by both critics and fans, at least judging by reactions on here. Still enjoying it.
MBBlat said:
And I think you've just proved my point with that video - his restaurant comparison is especially silly. Notice he didn't include Captain Marvell in that list of agenda driven franchises, maybe because despite all the predictions of the anti-SJW crowd it seems people did want a (good) female led superhero movie. As for Terminator Dark Fate that whole franchise has been on a downward spiral since 2, so nothing new there.
Back to topic - Picard seems well received by both critics and fans, at least judging by reactions on here. Still enjoying it.
I think he's on the right track in terms of much of Hollywood.Back to topic - Picard seems well received by both critics and fans, at least judging by reactions on here. Still enjoying it.
They did a piece about the Sonic The Hedgehog film which was hated by test audiences. Instead of telling the fans why they should like the film, they listened to them and made changes. It then opened at No 1 in The Box Office and made $70m in the opening weekend and it's a fan favourite.
Terminator hasn't had a brilliant film since T2 but I enjoyed 3, Salvation and Genisys. They didn't perform spectacularly well but made enough to warrant another installment.
Dark Fate on the other hand has lost around $120m and looks like the end of the franchise.
The whole "Strong Woman Lead" is absolutely fine as long as it doesn't become weaponized.
Terminator and Terminator 2 in particular had an amazingly strong female lead in Linda Hamilton who effectively becomes "The Terminator" in T2.
But when Tim Miller shouted, " If you’re at all enlightened, she’ll play like gangbusters. If you’re a closet misogynist, she’ll scare the ---- out of you, because she’s tough and strong but very feminine,” he successfully alienated about half the audience and then seemed surprised when it failed epically. "
You have to wonder if Miller had actually understood or even seen Terminator before, or any of the Alien franchise for that matter.
The preaching aspect is annoying. It starts from the assumption that your audience is stupid and has to be told what to think and, more worryingly what to like. If the film fails, then it's the fault of the audience for being entitled and not realising a good thing when it's given to them.
cologne2792 said:
I think he's on the right track in terms of much of Hollywood.
They did a piece about the Sonic The Hedgehog film which was hated by test audiences. Instead of telling the fans why they should like the film, they listened to them and made changes. It then opened at No 1 in The Box Office and made $70m in the opening weekend and it's a fan favourite.
Terminator hasn't had a brilliant film since T2 but I enjoyed 3, Salvation and Genisys. They didn't perform spectacularly well but made enough to warrant another installment.
Dark Fate on the other hand has lost around $120m and looks like the end of the franchise.
The whole "Strong Woman Lead" is absolutely fine as long as it doesn't become weaponized.
Terminator and Terminator 2 in particular had an amazingly strong female lead in Linda Hamilton who effectively becomes "The Terminator" in T2.
But when Tim Miller shouted, " If you’re at all enlightened, she’ll play like gangbusters. If you’re a closet misogynist, she’ll scare the ---- out of you, because she’s tough and strong but very feminine,” he successfully alienated about half the audience and then seemed surprised when it failed epically. "
You have to wonder if Miller had actually understood or even seen Terminator before, or any of the Alien franchise for that matter.
The preaching aspect is annoying. It starts from the assumption that your audience is stupid and has to be told what to think and, more worryingly what to like. If the film fails, then it's the fault of the audience for being entitled and not realising a good thing when it's given to them.
the weird thing is Miller is actually a decent director (look at Deadpool)They did a piece about the Sonic The Hedgehog film which was hated by test audiences. Instead of telling the fans why they should like the film, they listened to them and made changes. It then opened at No 1 in The Box Office and made $70m in the opening weekend and it's a fan favourite.
Terminator hasn't had a brilliant film since T2 but I enjoyed 3, Salvation and Genisys. They didn't perform spectacularly well but made enough to warrant another installment.
Dark Fate on the other hand has lost around $120m and looks like the end of the franchise.
The whole "Strong Woman Lead" is absolutely fine as long as it doesn't become weaponized.
Terminator and Terminator 2 in particular had an amazingly strong female lead in Linda Hamilton who effectively becomes "The Terminator" in T2.
But when Tim Miller shouted, " If you’re at all enlightened, she’ll play like gangbusters. If you’re a closet misogynist, she’ll scare the ---- out of you, because she’s tough and strong but very feminine,” he successfully alienated about half the audience and then seemed surprised when it failed epically. "
You have to wonder if Miller had actually understood or even seen Terminator before, or any of the Alien franchise for that matter.
The preaching aspect is annoying. It starts from the assumption that your audience is stupid and has to be told what to think and, more worryingly what to like. If the film fails, then it's the fault of the audience for being entitled and not realising a good thing when it's given to them.
essayer said:
So they hijacked one of the most powerful weapons in the galaxy (the cube) and immediately crashed it rendering it useless against the Romulans ??
In fairness, they didn't have a whole lot of choice WRT to the latter
t about politics and expectations I just thought it was dullwhitted crap that didn't have any relationship to the old stuff so I haven't watched any more of it.I have been watching “Screen crush” YouTube videos explaining all the Easter eggs in each episode.
Almost everything is related to things that have happened in previous series with a lot of detail and callbacks that I never would have noticed or known about.
It has had a lot of thought put into it.
I agree with whoever said stretching one story over 10 episodes is less good than the old format of an unrelated story in each episode.
Ultimately i am looking forward to each episode
Almost everything is related to things that have happened in previous series with a lot of detail and callbacks that I never would have noticed or known about.
It has had a lot of thought put into it.
I agree with whoever said stretching one story over 10 episodes is less good than the old format of an unrelated story in each episode.
Ultimately i am looking forward to each episode
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