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[NorthNorthWest]

Can one simply take the £40k as an 'adjusted with inflation' figure and look at £25/30k cars from 2 decades ago...!?

[Bannock]

Chiefbadger said:

I'm doing a charity rally later in the year and the rules dictate buying a car for sub £1000 that had an original list price of more than £40,000.

Has anyone got any suggestions other than a very, very, very leggy old S class or lexus/jag?

I think it's going to be a hell of a challenge tbh!

Cheers in advance!

Any Citroen C6s retail above £40K? Peugeot 607, Renault Vel Satiseseses?

[MX500]

W00DY said:

a pipe of Pringles

[SpeckledJim]

lemansky said:

SpeckledJim said:

Huntsman said:

Macron said:

What are your feelings on cupholders, correct function essential or not?

I find if the cup holders are all wrong my nipples get sore and I get back ache.

70% of bargists are using the wrong-sized cupholders.

If that's the case, Triumph has the car for the way you are.

And there was me thinking nobody 'got me'. Free Saturday night?

[lemansky]

SpeckledJim said:

And there was me thinking nobody 'got me'. Free Saturday night?

Free? I'm cheap, but that's probably pushing it a bi.......
Oh, go on then.

[0a]

Bannock said:

Chiefbadger said:

I'm doing a charity rally later in the year and the rules dictate buying a car for sub £1000 that had an original list price of more than £40,000.

Has anyone got any suggestions other than a very, very, very leggy old S class or lexus/jag?

I think it's going to be a hell of a challenge tbh!

Cheers in advance!

Any Citroen C6s retail above £40K? Peugeot 607, Renault Vel Satiseseses?

Something like this:

https://www.gumtree.com/p/mercedes-benz/mercedes-s...

Potato images.

[ian316]

Huntsman said:

I agree, its lovely. But £10k? I mean honestly? FRO, its a £3k car 2 years ago that nobody wanted and and and and fk off cos petrol is £9 a gallon, its only idiots in barge threads that want it.

You've put a deposit down then

[ian316]

lemansky said:

SpeckledJim said:

Huntsman said:

Macron said:

What are your feelings on cupholders, correct function essential or not?

I find if the cup holders are all wrong my nipples get sore and I get back ache.

70% of bargists are using the wrong-sized cupholders.

If that's the case, Triumph has the car for the way you are.

Well if ever a comment gave away some ones age that's the one

[W00DY]

0a said:

Bannock said:

Chiefbadger said:

I'm doing a charity rally later in the year and the rules dictate buying a car for sub £1000 that had an original list price of more than £40,000.

Has anyone got any suggestions other than a very, very, very leggy old S class or lexus/jag?

I think it's going to be a hell of a challenge tbh!

Cheers in advance!

Any Citroen C6s retail above £40K? Peugeot 607, Renault Vel Satiseseses?

Something like this:

https://www.gumtree.com/p/mercedes-benz/mercedes-s...

Potato images.

Good find. I was going to suggest perhaps a hearse or ambulance, but couldn't find an example.

[McGee_22]

W00DY said:

Alpina bearding is the best bearding, thanks McGee!





https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304351812734


This looks ripe for some titivation and doesn't seem unreasonably priced ITCM.

That car has quite an interesting Nav system on it; that little orange screen next to the tape deck is it.

It used an early text only system a lot like the early blaupunkt/becker headunit systems...



I've never seen the BMW system in action but my E34 BMW M5 had a blaupunkt headunit with a similar system. The Blaupunkt headunits were a CD drive so the BMW system obviously relied on a CD drive hidden somewhere that will exactly the correct road network from the UK for c1993/4. Should be a quirky treat for someone who wants to navigate around last century roads.

Car does look reasonable but a lot of work to restore those seats with the now heavily faded blue and green rhomboids.

[ian316]

RicksAlfas said:

That's going to be tough with current prices!

How about this and some straight through pipes?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202201091...

(Obviously might be a touch of wheelarch corrosion).

I think that's an easy save for someone with the space and time for it, I've just read that back and it sounds like lm recommending for Dr Who it will need Geralding

[W00DY]

McGee_22 said:

That car has quite an interesting Nav system on it; that little orange screen next to the tape deck is it.

It used an early text only system a lot like the early blaupunkt/becker headunit systems...



I've never seen the BMW system in action but my E34 BMW M5 had a blaupunkt headunit with a similar system. The Blaupunkt headunits were a CD drive so the BMW system obviously relied on a CD drive hidden somewhere that will exactly the correct road network from the UK for c1993/4. Should be a quirky treat for someone who wants to navigate around last century roads.

Car does look reasonable but a lot of work to restore those seats with the now heavily faded blue and green rhomboids.

I do love a crummy old school Nav system.


The seats can be easily sorted, perhaps jetset jade and brilliant blue?



If it's good enough for mwstewart's Ferrari project...

[donkmeister]

callahan said:

bolidemichael said:

Car_driver said:

donkmeister said:

callahan said:

paddycam said:

I'm pretty sure this E500 has been seen here before, it has definitely been re-listed at least three times, but it now has new pictures outside a church rather than in a slightly dodgy looking yard. Perhaps the seller is hoping for divine intervention? £4.2k BIN and the MOT history looks OK.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115242464083?hash=item1...

I really like that. Perhaps an option for loquacious and his lovely dogs?

I like the light interior, but even though the exterior looks decent (if you can get over the colour and those wheels) I'm not sure it's a reliable buy. I've mentioned before that I am an amateur spannerer of W211, and the only jobs he mentions are:

1) A/C maintenance - a lengthy description of a £40 KwikFit job, £30 if you time it right.
2) The airmatic is f**ked so instead of getting it fixed properly he's picked the cheap option of coilovers and removed one of the two buttons (I see the max height button is still there).
3) The callipers were seized so he was forced to fix them... and he's not used the right bits. The originals are Brembo 4-pot callipers with Mercedes-Benz written on them; he's got eBay specials on there. I fitted some like that to an old Astra, for around £100 a pair.

Then he's trying to get credit for the fact he's washed it and replaced the batteries - whoop-de-doo. The reason he's replaced the batteries is because the dashboard lights up bright red and screams "we're all gonna die!" if the batteries are on the way out and you take it much beyond the "convenience functions deactivated" message. The reason it does that is because of the main reason why I wouldn't touch this car... Here it is:



That's the original SBC pump. Look at it, the smug, evil little bd. If it's not the original then I'd want to know what's made it so damn grimy. As any longterm W211 owner will tell you, this is a £2-3k job to replace, and it will need to be replaced. That one looks original. If it isn't original, then I'd be very wary of what's been making it so grimy. I'll bet it's had an eBay counter reset done on it too.

Besides the absolute death-trap brakes situation; minor quibbles:
1) It's got the wrong gearbox. The 7g is the superior gearbox for the non-AMG E-classes.
2) It's got the wrong stereo. The later HK with the bigger screen is better.
3) It's got the wrong wheels - those may be original but they look gash.
4) The Viseeo bluetooth adapter he speaks of is no longer available (new, at least). Be wary of used ones as a lot have failed.

He's also mentioned nothing of a radiator swap, but let's assume that happened earlier or his gearbox would be full of coolant by now (the 2002s had the dodgy Valeo rad).

Phew. I fell out of my pram somewhat at that one.

100% this. The advert is full of waffle, but all that the seller has done is change the batteries and polish the bodywork. The car doesn't even come with 2 keys.

Totalcarcheck.com shows the car advertised for £3000 on 12th May 2021, when he bought it and has been trying to sell it since 24 November 2021 (£4695).

I wouldn't pay what he is asking for it.

The e500 elegance estate, which finished on ebay at £2005 (CU04UJK) in January is not showing a change of keeper. Wonder if it's still for sale. If I was looking for an e500, that would be my choice.

If we don't play up to the sellers' expectations, then hopefully we will see a correction in pricing soon.

Rant over...

I admire your sleuthing... how do you track the change of keeper? I rated this one too, as you say, it was a good one.

I'll hasten to add to my 'I really like that' comment - I'm very much in the 'buy the first car you see because you're over excited' camp when it comes to buying cars, so should probably be ignored.

Mind you, I still like the colour, the wheels and the fact that it has 'normal' suspension, so there's no telling people like me.

Great info from the thread though, as usual.

I should also explain that when I wrote my death-trap comment it was my first time being able to look at a screen following a migraine so my mood was very low.

I still wouldn't buy it due to the concerns around the brakes and suspension, I think any barge purchase price should start at a perfect example and then have an appropriately sized baulkage/restoration fund. Personally, I favour a mechanically-good example with bodywork required because:
1) you can hide bodywork issues easily so this implies honesty and
2) few bodywork issues on these cars would take you into 4 figures, whereas mechanical issues, boy oh boy they can and they will!

[21st Century Man]

My first experience of sat nav was a Philips head unit which just had a direction arrow on the lcd display, it was fitted to a Leganza CDX-E. It was crap. I bought one of the first Navman's, that was completely totally utterly crap too, although tbf, my very latest TomTom is likewise, I used it last month and it had me screaming at it, apoplectic with rage. I tend to just use Google maps on my phone now, the only problem with that is it can be a bit laggy, but I can't complain about the routes it selects and it seems to know where I want to go as soon as I start typing an input, unlike TomTom which can't even recognise london, it needs London.

[ian316]

I'm surprised at you having problems with a tomtom, I've had a proper truck one for years which I update the maps on twice a year and it's been in and out of London thousands of times without a problem. Have you tried updating it?

[ian316]

W00DY said:

0a said:

Bannock said:

Chiefbadger said:

I'm doing a charity rally later in the year and the rules dictate buying a car for sub £1000 that had an original list price of more than £40,000.

Has anyone got any suggestions other than a very, very, very leggy old S class or lexus/jag?

I think it's going to be a hell of a challenge tbh!

Cheers in advance!

Any Citroen C6s retail above £40K? Peugeot 607, Renault Vel Satiseseses?

Something like this:

https://www.gumtree.com/p/mercedes-benz/mercedes-s...

Potato images.

Good find. I was going to suggest perhaps a hearse or ambulance, but couldn't find an example.

That's as good as it's going to get for the cash

[Bannock]

Picture 57

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202107074...

[21st Century Man]

ian316 said:

I'm surprised at you having problems with a tomtom, I've had a proper truck one for years which I update the maps on twice a year and it's been in and out of London thousands of times without a problem. Have you tried updating it?

It's up to date, it has an internal sim too. The problem with TomTom is that it takes me off a direct route and down a side road on a wild goose chase short cut that always turns out to be beyond st and just fks me about, then puts me back on the route that I was on to start with. It's a big issue with Tomtom, has been for years, they seem incapable of addressing it. Searching for a destination is poor too, you have to put the proper address in, whereas Google uses the Google search algorithm and the place I want pops up in suggestions, TomTom can't do that, even with a more or less full address it still struggles because it wants the address input it's way. When it works it's great, and I love the graphics, the intersection lane detail, the 3d overlay etc, but all too often it displays twenty year old stupidity that Google just doesn't.

[ian316]

21st Century Man said:

ian316 said:

I'm surprised at you having problems with a tomtom, I've had a proper truck one for years which I update the maps on twice a year and it's been in and out of London thousands of times without a problem. Have you tried updating it?

It's up to date, it has an internal sim too. The problem with TomTom is that it takes me off a direct route and down a side road on a wild goose chase short cut that always turns out to be beyond st and just fks me about, then puts me back on the route that I was on to start with. It's a big issue with Tomtom, has been for years, they seem incapable of addressing it. Searching for a destination is poor too, you have to put the proper address in, whereas Google uses the Google search algorithm and the place I want pops up in suggestions, TomTom can't do that, even with a more or less full address it still struggles because it wants the address input it's way. When it works it's great, and I love the graphics, the intersection lane detail, the 3d overlay etc, but all too often it displays twenty year old stupidity that Google just doesn't.

Mine maybe be good because I'm not allowed on every side road it does sound like it has a clitch, My mates used to take him off the m18 at the M180 junction and then back down the other side again when he first got his they just exchanged it

[Bubbs999]

2001 Bmw 740i (e38)
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1415665



I really do like that Oxford Green