Changing a camshaft with engine in the car ?

Changing a camshaft with engine in the car ?

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chap

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26 posts

167 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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Hello from Paris

I deal actually with some questions about the camshaft. Is it possible to change this part with the engine still in the car ?
How do we do this ? Is there a tutorial for that ?
What difficulties can we foresee ?

Subsidiary question : Is it possible to change headgasket with the engine in the car? How much does a head weights ? Is it honnestly possible to lift that from the car with only two arms ?

Thanks for your answers.



spend

12,581 posts

251 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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Yes to all.

chap

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167 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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One first point! Thx
Any link for the tutorial ? wink

LordGrover

33,544 posts

212 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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Can't remember exactly what's where, but Derek's resource is often interesting: click.

chris52

1,560 posts

183 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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The heads can be lifted easily from the car by one person. If you do a google search you will be able to find info on the process of renewing the cam on a Rover V8. The only difference in doing the cam on a landrover and tvr is you need to remove the front chassis cross member and Y piece pretty much everything else is the same.

Chris

chap

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167 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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All right. I was exspecting something more tricky. Thanks for your message.


EGB

1,774 posts

157 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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Heads are no problem. I have heard that it can be done on the Chaimaera without taking the engine out. The chassis is the same as the Griffith. The overflow bottle and the Y exhaust will need removing, perhaps not the fans. It should come out above the front chassis members.

Pupp

12,225 posts

272 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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Very do-able, just take a bit of care not to score the cam bearings when extracting/reinstalling the shaft... if the heads are having to come off, suggest the cam is done with them pulled as there's way more access and spanner room that way. Also a doddle to make up a positive stop TDC finder for degreeing the new one in (you are going to degree it in aren't you?)

chap

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26 posts

167 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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Sorry for my poor english. What is a doddle ?
What do you mean by degreeing the cam?
Using this kind of degree disc http://www.automotivearticles.com/uploads/degree_w... to set the Vernier wheel of the timing chain so that valves do synchronize appropriatly with the crank rotation ?
Or is it something else to do?

Pupp

12,225 posts

272 months

Thursday 12th May 2011
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Sorry - a doddle means it is easy (or easier)

Degreeing-in is just as you describe.

Your English is fine smile

chap

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167 months

Thursday 12th May 2011
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Thank you pupp

Just in case, how do we proceed to make a positive stop TDC finder? Is it a single stop bar to bolt in somewhere or do we use any meter on the piston for that ?

Pupp

12,225 posts

272 months

Thursday 12th May 2011
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Bar across the bore of number 1, clamped to the deck by two of the head bolts/studs, and with a single screw and locknut between protruding onto the piston crown. Adjust until the centre screw just stops the piston going full stroke and the point exactly half way (on a degree wheel on the crank) between the two 'stops' is TDC.

The same can effectively be done with the heads in situ, by adapting an old spark plug by removing the core and threading a long bolt or stud through it.

Using a dial indicator is imprecise in comparison as there is a few degrees of effective dwell at the top of the stroke and it can be difficult to see exactly where the dial starts moving due to bearing clearances etc.

EGB

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157 months

Thursday 12th May 2011
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Good advice PUP. Asuming the old cam is in the correct position mark it before removal at TDC, with dots of white correction fluid the position of the cam sprocket with the crankshaft position on the chain. When I did this on a rebuild of a Rover P6 V8 3.5 litre engine there were line marks to be lined up opposite each other at TDC. These marks I hope may also be present on the Griffith engine. Check for these marks before removing the chain and cam. Also mark the distributer position. Again there should be lining up marks. Alez (My French nt gd?)

Motik

92 posts

176 months

Thursday 12th May 2011
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Your français est fine wink

chap

Original Poster:

26 posts

167 months

Thursday 12th May 2011
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Pupp said:
Bar across the bore of number 1, clamped to the deck by two of the head bolts/studs, and with a single screw and locknut between protruding onto the piston crown. Adjust until the centre screw just stops the piston going full stroke and the point exactly half way (on a degree wheel on the crank) between the two 'stops' is TDC.

The same can effectively be done with the heads in situ, by adapting an old spark plug by removing the core and threading a long bolt or stud through it.

Using a dial indicator is imprecise in comparison as there is a few degrees of effective dwell at the top of the stroke and it can be difficult to see exactly where the dial starts moving due to bearing clearances etc.
THank you. This is of great help.


V8FROG

444 posts

161 months

Saturday 14th May 2011
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bonjour ca va??t'inquietes pas c'est assez facile a faire!!!bonne chance mon ami!!

chap

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26 posts

167 months

Sunday 15th May 2011
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Thx

A pix worths a thousand words.

Great topic with pictures and explanations. Thanks a lot to all of you

Johno

8,417 posts

282 months

Sunday 15th May 2011
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Bonjour Chap

J'habite au Vesinet 78110 et je parle un peux francais.

Happy to help out if i can.

I took the cam out of my engine in the car before deciding to pull the whole engine out anyway.

Bonne Cordialement wink